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Let Biden go in peace. Do we really need to gloat and jeer?

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Anne Lamont’s recent opinion essay — in which she critiques the Left’s decision to put the former president’s “head on a stake” — reads like an angry dirge. Given Joe Biden’s recent fall from grace, her funereal style is appropriate. But because he is still living, a dirge seems a bit premature.

I’ve penned a lament instead.

I’m a lifelong conservative, so it won’t surprise you to learn that I don’t write in support of Joe Biden. I write instead to ask my conservative friends — especially those of us who self-identify as Christian, one question: even in the wake of mounting evidence that the former president was, in fact, mentally and physically unfit for office during his tenure, why the gloating?

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Anne Lamont’s recent opinion essay — in which she critiques the Left’s decision to put the former president’s “head on a stake” — reads like an angry dirge. Given Joe Biden’s recent fall from grace, her funereal style is appropriate. But because he is still living, a dirge seems a bit premature.

I’ve penned a lament instead.

I’m a lifelong conservative, so it won’t surprise you to learn that I don’t write in support of Joe Biden. I write instead to ask my conservative friends — especially those of us who self-identify as Christian, one question: even in the wake of mounting evidence that the former president was, in fact, mentally and physically unfit for office during his tenure, why the gloating?

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Not gloating over that poor old man who was the victim of elder abuse. But a bit over the folks who lied to themselves and each other and to us that old Joe was 'sharp as a tack' and finally they are falling over themselves about how they didn't know how bad he was. All the while an auto-pen was actually running the country.

I hope Joe gets some ice cream and has a good day and everybody is nice to him. I hope that the political savants get more and more embarrassed over what they tried to foist on us, first with poor old Joe and then with even more unfit Kamala.
 
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Not gloating over that poor old man who was the victim of elder abuse. But a bit over the folks who lied to themselves and each other and to us that old Joe was 'sharp as a tack' and finally they are falling over themselves about how they didn't know how bad he was. All the while an auto-pen was actually running the country.

I hope Joe gets some ice cream and has a good day and everybody is nice to him. I hope that the political savants get more and more embarrassed over what they tried to foist on us, first with poor old Joe and then with even more unfit Kamala.
They do not have enough sense to be embarrassed. Remember these are the people that think they are the ones that determine the truth. Reality is something they think they can change.
 
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Not gloating over that poor old man who was the victim of elder abuse. But a bit over the folks who lied to themselves and each other and to us that old Joe was 'sharp as a tack' and finally they are falling over themselves about how they didn't know how bad he was. All the while an auto-pen was actually running the country.

I hope Joe gets some ice cream and has a good day and everybody is nice to him. I hope that the political savants get more and more embarrassed over what they tried to foist on us, first with poor old Joe and then with even more unfit Kamala.
I agree with you. Praying for the former president and his loved ones.
 
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They do not have enough sense to be embarrassed. Remember these are the people that think they are the ones that determine the truth. Reality is something they think they can change.
That’s rather embarrassing in of itself.
 
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They do not have enough sense to be embarrassed. Remember these are the people that think they are the ones that determine the truth. Reality is something they think they can change.
Republicans don't have enough sense to be embarrassed by Trump so why should Democrats be embarrassed by Biden. Just a little bit of Biden was better than Trump, who is not all there either.
 
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Republicans don't have enough sense to be embarrassed by Trump so why should Democrats be embarrassed by Biden. Just a little bit of Biden was better than Trump, who is not all there either.
I don’t disagree. You aren’t wrong. Trust me, I have serious problems with him, too.
 
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I don’t disagree. You aren’t wrong. Trust me, I have serious problems with him, too.
Biden kicked Trump's butt in the debate for the 2020 election. Biden was undoubtedly too old at the time but still far better than Trump. Biden devolved during the 4 years in office.
 
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Biden kicked Trump's butt in the debate for the 2020 election. Biden was undoubtedly too old at the time but still far better than Trump. Biden devolved during the 4 years in office.
I don’t remember much from the debate, to be honest. They are both old, and I wish President Biden a peaceful retirement.
 
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They do not have enough sense to be embarrassed. Remember these are the people that think they are the ones that determine the truth. Reality is something they think they can change.
Maybe not even that. To some, reality doesn't count as much as the Narrative. What, pray, tell, is the Narrative? Whatever a particular political party and their allies are selling.

The reality is that Biden's condition has been sad for a long time. I confess that I've used the term "Biden moment" in place of "senior moment" for momentary lapses. After I made a clumsy error on a deposit slip some days ago, I told the teller that they give Biden ice cream but nobody gives me anything. Is that mocking? Is that jeering? That's an honest question. Since it's applied to myself, I don't think so, but am I wrong?

No, Biden's condition has never been worthy of mocking or jeering. Pointing out that the poor man seemed to be displaying decline due to dementia wasn't mocking or jeering but a statement of what was observable. After his fateful debate with Trump in 2024, claims that Biden was "sharp as a tack" and that clips showing lapses were "deep fakes" no longer held up. Asking just what was going on and why the 25th Amendment hadn't been invoked wasn't mocking or jeering. It also, quite seriously, raised questions of elder abuse.

Asking just what went on due to Biden's condition in office still isn't mocking or jeering. This is especially true in light of his news of his advanced prostate cancer. A lot of things don't add up, and really need to be looked into, lest something like that happens again. I honestly wonder if a particular treatment that could help with age related decline contributed to his cancer, but that's speculation. All of this is questions for those who were around Biden, and not Biden himself.

As to Biden himself, let the poor man enjoy being a private citizen again. It's like the obsession some have about the Obamas' marriage. Are we family? No. Is he a private citizen? Yes, Then none of it is our business.

That said, despite the focus of the opinion piece, most of what we're hearing now seems to be from his side of the political aisle, maybe people posturing; maybe people looking for public absolution for trying to cover up what was obvious to everyone. That's on them. But asking who knew about Biden's condition and when did they know it and if they covered it up and if someone else was acting in the president's place isn't mocking or jeering.
 
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Biden kicked Trump's butt in the debate for the 2020 election. Biden was undoubtedly too old at the time but still far better than Trump. Biden devolved during the 4 years in office.
Biden only won because of Covid. That debate in 2020 was nothing special for either of them. And Biden stayed in his basement because he was already in cognitive decline. And the Democratic big shots knew of his decline at the time and foisted him on the electorate anyway.
 
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Biden only won because of Covid.
You mean Trump's handling of Covid.
That debate in 2020 was nothing special for either of them.
Won by Joe Biden by a landslide, according to polls.
And Biden stayed in his basement because he was already in cognitive decline.
Biden went on the campaign trail. I guess that you don't remember that stupid jog across the stage runway. LOL
And the Democratic big shots knew of his decline at the time and foisted him on the electorate anyway.
He won by a landslide.
 
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I don't think Biden was less cognitively impaired than the person currently holding the office, or the person previously holding the office, and I don't think one can have an honest discussion about the topic as long as we don't discuss the elephant in the office currently.

In short... If you're Ok with the cognitive state of Trump, you have no reason to be more than OK with the cognitive state of Biden.
 
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You mean Trump's handling of Covid.
Nope. Covid was Trump's fault of course, and every death attributed to Covid was Trump's fault. And Trump was a xenophobe and a racist for wanting to shut down travel from China. The whole thing was made to order to remove an incumbent. Trump was a nincompoop when it came to anything science. But then there was a lot of lame science going on by people who were considered experts in the field. And now it seems Covid was a lab leak from a lab funded by Fauci, an engineered bug with a specialty in being superbly infective.
 
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I don't think Biden was less cognitively impaired than the person currently holding the office, or the person previously holding the office, and I don't think one can have an honest discussion about the topic as long as we don't discuss the elephant in the office currently.

In short... If you're Ok with the cognitive state of Trump, you have no reason to be more than OK with the cognitive state of Biden.
So it's OK that you could make the case Biden was sharp as a tack when he wasn't just because you can claim that the elephant in the White House is cognitively impaired. Gotcha.
 
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I don't think Biden was less cognitively impaired than the person currently holding the office, or the person previously holding the office, and I don't think one can have an honest discussion about the topic as long as we don't discuss the elephant in the office currently.

In short... If you're Ok with the cognitive state of Trump, you have no reason to be more than OK with the cognitive state of Biden.
I doubt that.
 
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Nope. Covid was Trump's fault of course, and every death attributed to Covid was Trump's fault.
Hmmm, you've got to be pulling my leg.

And Trump was a xenophobe and a racist for wanting to shut down travel from China.
Not sure that I've heard that one before. The country agreed with shutting down travel China and limiting access to other countries.

The whole thing was made to order to remove an incumbent.
Not if he'd handled it better.

Trump was a nincompoop when it came to anything science.
Mostly true.
But then there was a lot of lame science going on by people who were considered experts in the field.
Our scientific community were heroes for their work stopping Covid.
 
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