Where did demons come from?

tonychanyt · Apr 7, 2025

Prof Michael Heiser said:

I don't think demons are fallen angels.

I think demons are fallen spiritual beings.

The serpent is a bad guy and the demons in the NT. They have all rebelled at the same time.

Not all at the same time. Different evil spirits rebelled at different times.

Demons are the disembodied spirits of the dead Nephilim.

I don't think so. Nephilim were genetically human. When they died, their bodies decayed and their human spirits were confined. They could not wander around on earth as disembodied spirits.

De 32:

They sacrificed to demons that were no gods, to gods they had never known, to new gods that had come recently, whom your fathers had never dreaded.

Strong's Hebrew: 7700. שֵׁדִים (shed) — 2 Occurrences

Ps 106:

37 They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons.

Biblehub:

Word Origin: Derived from an unused root meaning to be powerful or to act with violence.
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: The Greek equivalent often associated with "shed" is δαιμόνιον (daimonion), Strong's Greek 1140, which is used in the New Testament to refer to demons or evil spirits.
Usage: In the Hebrew Bible, the term "shed" refers to malevolent spiritual beings or demons. These entities are often associated with idolatry and false worship, representing spiritual forces opposed to God. The usage of "shed" underscores the reality of spiritual warfare and the presence of evil influences that seek to lead people away from the worship of the one true God.
Cultural and Historical Background: In the ancient Near Eastern context, various cultures believed in a pantheon of gods and spirits, some of which were considered malevolent. The Israelites, however, were called to worship Yahweh alone and to reject all forms of idolatry and demonic influence. The term "shed" reflects the biblical worldview that acknowledges the existence of spiritual beings that are in opposition to God's purposes. This understanding is consistent with the broader biblical narrative that emphasizes the reality of spiritual conflict.

Are demons fallen angels?

That depends on your definition of angels. In any case, demons are fallen spiritual beings.

jmldn2 · May 17, 2025

Demons are real?

GoldenKingGaze · Monday at 6:17 AM

I think demons once were sons of God that fell in the initial wave of rebellion with the iniquitous angels. These sons and daughters had the full compliment of graces and sang with the Morning Star who fell. They knew God and that became perverse. They are set on having more of God's power and glory than He is willing to give them. They hate His character, and hate us, for they do not want us to have any glory. They are damned and will not repent. They are brilliant minds, dangerous.

Postvieww · Monday at 6:25 AM

tonychanyt said:
I don't think so. Nephilim were genetically human. When they died, their bodies decayed and their human spirits were confined. They could not wander around on earth as disembodied spirits.

De 32:

Explain how you think De 32: backs up this claim?

Postvieww · Monday at 6:28 AM

GoldenKingGaze said:
I think demons once were sons of God that fell in the initial wave of rebellion with the iniquitous angels. These sons and daughters had the full compliment of graces and sang with the Morning Star who fell. They knew God and that became perverse. They are set on having more of God's power and glory than He is willing to give them. They hate His character, and hate us, for they do not want us to have any glory. They are damned and will not repent. They are brilliant minds, dangerous.

Your are describing fallen angels which are not disembodied spirits. Some are still active today and the ones who committed the Genesis 6 excursion are bound in chains per Jude.

Postvieww · Monday at 6:33 AM

tonychanyt said:
Are demons fallen angels?

No they are disembodied spirits !

tonychanyt said:
That depends on your definition of angels. In any case, demons are fallen spiritual beings.

Demons are not nor did they come from dead fallen angels. All angels both fallen and those in Gods service are still alive. Some of those that fell are still active today on the earth and those involved in Genesis 6 are bound in chains per Jude.

Postvieww · Monday at 6:34 AM

jmldn2 said:
Demons are real?

Yes they are.

Muhan · Monday at 6:39 AM

Where did demons come from?

Devils

BPPLEE · Monday at 6:42 AM

tonychanyt said:
Prof Michael Heiser said:

I think demons are fallen spiritual beings.

Not all at the same time. Different evil spirits rebelled at different times.

I don't think so. Nephilim were genetically human. When they died, their bodies decayed and their human spirits were confined. They could not wander around on earth as disembodied spirits.

De 32:

Strong's Hebrew: 7700. שֵׁדִים (shed) — 2 Occurrences

Ps 106:

Biblehub:

Are demons fallen angels?

That depends on your definition of angels. In any case, demons are fallen spiritual beings.

The nephilim were hybrids, spawn of angels and humans. I believe they could be demons.

GoldenKingGaze · Monday at 8:22 AM

The Nephilim are mentioned as destroyed in the flood, and as spirits in gloomy dungeons, that received preaching. They do not have the sin in them of wanting the glory and power of God. They were simply extremely wicked, violent.

The Nephilim were descended from sons of God, not angels.

Demons are wholly and without reservation proudly in want of the glory and power of God. They have no relent. Nephilim and men and women regret their sins either in Heaven or Hell.

GoldenKingGaze · Monday at 8:23 AM

Postvieww said:
Your are describing fallen angels which are not disembodied spirits. Some are still active today and the ones who committed the Genesis 6 excursion are bound in chains per Jude.

The demons I think of are much older than the Earth and are disembodied. Spirits of death. The Nephilim spirits were in gloomy dungeons until Jesus preached to them.

BPPLEE · Monday at 9:22 AM

GoldenKingGaze said:
The Nephilim are mentioned as destroyed in the flood, and as spirits in gloomy dungeons, that received preaching. They do not have the sin in them of wanting the glory and power of God. They were simply extremely wicked, violent.

The Nephilim were descended from sons of God, not angels.

Demons are wholly and without reservation proudly in want of the glory and power of God. They have no relent. Nephilim and men and women regret their sins either in Heaven or Hell.

The sons of God are angels, see Job when the sons of God come before God and Satan is among them

GoldenKingGaze · Monday at 10:19 AM

BPPLEE said:
The sons of God are angels, see Job when the sons of God come before God and Satan is among them

Hebrews says God never calls angels sons. Hebrews 1.

Satan among the sons in Job stands out as a contrast. Satan does not look like a son, a son resembles God the Father.

Satan is also called the Morning Star and in Job they differ, the morning stars and the sons who sing with them. Job 38:7 YLT
7In the singing together of stars of morning, And all sons of God shout for joy,

Postvieww · Monday at 6:59 PM

GoldenKingGaze said:
The demons I think of are much older than the Earth and are disembodied. Spirits of death. The Nephilim spirits were in gloomy dungeons until Jesus preached to them.

There is a theory that the spirits from those in a pre- Adamite world are the demons . I see no real evidence of that . The disembodied spirits of nephilim is a far more plausible theory IMO with at least the evidence of the Book Of Enoch and the many writings of some of the early church fathers. I see no evidence to support your claim that the spirits of nephilim were who Jesus preached to in prison. Fallen angels are absolutely not demons. Some fallen angels are still active in the earth today while those that engaged in the Genesis 6 incursion, are in chains per the book of Jude.

Postvieww · Monday at 7:07 PM

GoldenKingGaze said:
Hebrews says God never calls angels sons. Hebrews 1.

All references to “sons of God” in the OT are angels. The NT use of the phrase has no relation to the OT use. The passage in Hebrews has nothing to do with the OT context. Angels can never know salvation as do mankind that is what Hebrews refers to. It does not mean what you claim. The Spirit inspired OT does refer to angels as sons of God.

GoldenKingGaze · Monday at 10:40 PM

Postvieww said:
There is a theory that the spirits from those in a pre- Adamite world are the demons . I see no real evidence of that . The disembodied spirits of nephilim is a far more plausible theory IMO with at least the evidence of the Book Of Enoch and the many writings of some of the early church fathers. I see no evidence to support your claim that the spirits of nephilim were who Jesus preached to in prison. Fallen angels are absolutely not demons. Some fallen angels are still active in the earth today while those that engaged in the Genesis 6 incursion, are in chains per the book of Jude.

1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Jesus preached to ancient spirits in prison.

GoldenKingGaze · Monday at 10:47 PM

Postvieww said:
All references to “sons of God” in the OT are angels. The NT use of the phrase has no relation to the OT use. The passage in Hebrews has nothing to do with the OT context. Angels can never know salvation as do mankind that is what Hebrews refers to. It does not mean what you claim. The Spirit inspired OT does refer to angels as sons of God.

Why do you say this? OT and NT reference with the same words and it is something different? That is not Sola Scriptura, that would be a tradition of an old church.

Sons of God resemble God in image and likeness, angels are servants. The tradition that Genesis 6 is about angels using reference to sons I disbanded twenty years ago.

There are sons, angels and living creatures mentioned in scripture. Ezekiel's angels stand on wheels covered in eyes.

The author of Hebrews would have been Hebrew and a studied the OT much. It does refer to the OT a lot and says no angels are ever called sons.

Adam and Jesus are examples of sons, Satan was a morning star not ever a son.

GoldenKingGaze · Monday at 10:51 PM

The Nephilim can't be demons, there were not enough of them. We can't out number them, with a world population of 8.2 billion.

Zceptre · Tuesday at 1:27 AM

GoldenKingGaze said:
The Nephilim can't be demons, there were not enough of them.

When did you take a census and what's the guys name who gave you the number? LOL...

David Lamb · Tuesday at 1:54 AM

GoldenKingGaze said:
The demons I think of are much older than the Earth and are disembodied. Spirits of death. The Nephilim spirits were in gloomy dungeons until Jesus preached to them.

How do you know that the demons are much older than the earth? God doesn't tell us in His word when the demons were created. How do you know that Jesus preached to the Nephilim in gloomy dungeons? The Hebrew word for "Nephilim" occurs just 3 times in the bible, once in Genesis 6:

“There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.” (Ge 6:4 NKJV)

and twice in Numbers 13:33:

“"There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."” (Nu 13:33 NKJV)

In each of the 2 places, the word for "Nephilim" is translated as "giants." None of the the places mention gloomy dungeons, or Jesus preaching to them.

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