Personal Revelation of God's Goodness Over Sola Scriptura.

GoldenKingGaze · Monday at 11:30 PM

I encountered God's goodness in His discipline and forgiveness as a youth. I never saw that goodness and even if I did, it is not like it taking place in my heart itself. This in turn changes me to read and interpret sacred scripture differently to some other Christians who only have Sola Scriptura, the example of Martin Luther and the difficult passages in the OT. Like Lamentations. Jesus cross shows love but there is violence and much hidden meaning.

Also Jesus blessed the little children, but also lamented and said He wished He could hold them under His wings, but that Jerusalem would be destroyed. And Luther endorsed the soldiers to stop a revolution in Germany.

I say that a personal taste of God's goodness is vital to know God and understand scripture and perhaps write a theodicy. It takes the Spirit and His touch or fill.

Beth77 · Tuesday at 2:51 AM

Is knowledge of any scripture necessary for salvation

GoldenKingGaze · Tuesday at 3:17 AM

Beth77 said:
Is knowledge of any scripture necessary for salvation

Christian scripture. When I feared for my life, I had heard of the lost son parable. The Apostles Creed, the Our Father, I prayed knowing about Heaven and Hell. I had once been a confessor to priests. I could pray off my thoughts as well as set prayers. I knew to renounce sexual sin and discipline my body, and clear my thoughts of sins, but could not have done this if I knew every command in the Bible and tried to uphold them. I acted on conscience and priest teachings. I appreciated the clergy's kindness. I took my dad's discipline and used positive thinking, hoped for good things. I was prepared to go on with a better life. People were praying for me.

Immediately after I repented from all known sin and was given a new conscience, some church teachings were exactly to lay up God's commands on my heart to keep my way pure. That's an over burden. I would have gone to Heaven if I died then, but gradually heard of being born again and that I needed that, but could have done that then except I did not think myself worthy from lack of scriptural knowledge. Alas it was ten years and I was born again at last.

linux.poet · 2025-05-28T16:02:38-0500

Beth77 said:
Is knowledge of any scripture necessary for salvation

Not really. The principles behind Romans 10:9-11, Romans 5:8, John 3:16, and Acts 16:31 can be explained without having to quote them, though quoting them helps. It also helps to understand some basic apologetics, the stories of Genesis 1-3, and Christ’s life, death, burial, and resurrection.

Sola scriptura is a function of widespread literacy and most people being able to read and study it in obedience to Philippians 2:12. The idea in non-denominational churches is that we are to read, memorize, and act in accordance with the Scripture to achieve more Christlikeness and further the sanctification process. The more we act in accordance with the Scriptures, the more we will avoid sin and the better our lives will be. It’s not about salvation as much as what we do after we are saved to honor Our Lord by obeying His commandments.

Meanwhile, during the time of Christ and afterward, people could not read and books were scarce.

Romans 10:17 said:
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

People heard the Word of God read and preached, not read it. That was reality for thousands of years.

As side note, I’ve seen people overthink sola scriptura. The point of that doctrine is to reject what is not consistent with the Scripture, not anything else. If you have a spiritual experience or whatever that is consistent with the Scripture, fantastic! But if your knowledge, word, interpretation, vision, whatever, isn’t consistent with the Scripture, it is to be rejected as coming from the flesh or from the Enemy, etc. It’s safety check, not a dry polemic. The context of sola scriptura was doctrine that went against the Scriptures being proclaimed by the Catholic Church, or at least it appeared that way to Martin the Crabby Friar. I agree with Luther that the sale of indulgences goes against the story in Acts 8:9-23, but it’s best not to rub it in. As far as I know Team Catholic has learned their lesson on that, so no need to beat a historical dead horse.

Beth77 · 2025-05-28T20:34:39-0500

linux.poet said:
Not really. The principles behind Romans 10:9-11, Romans 5:8, John 3:16, and Acts 16:31 can be explained without having to quote them, though quoting them helps. It also helps to understand some basic apologetics, the stories of Genesis 1-3, and Christ’s life, death, burial, and resurrection.

Sola scriptura is a function of widespread literacy and most people being able to read and study it in obedience to Philippians 2:12. The idea in non-denominational churches is that we are to read, memorize, and act in accordance with the Scripture to achieve more Christlikeness and further the sanctification process. The more we act in accordance with the Scriptures, the more we will avoid sin and the better our lives will be. It’s not about salvation as much as what we do after we are saved to honor Our Lord by obeying His commandments.

Meanwhile, during the time of Christ and afterward, people could not read and books were scarce.

People heard the Word of God read and preached, not read it. That was reality for thousands of years.

As side note, I’ve seen people overthink sola scriptura. The point of that doctrine is to reject what is not consistent with the Scripture, not anything else. If you have a spiritual experience or whatever that is consistent with the Scripture, fantastic! But if your knowledge, word, interpretation, vision, whatever, isn’t consistent with the Scripture, it is to be rejected as coming from the flesh or from the Enemy, etc. It’s safety check, not a dry polemic. The context of sola scriptura was doctrine that went against the Scriptures being proclaimed by the Catholic Church, or at least it appeared that way to Martin the Crabby Friar. I agree with Luther that the sale of indulgences goes against the story in Acts 8:9-23, but it’s best not to rub it in. As far as I know Team Catholic has learned their lesson on that, so no need to beat a historical dead horse.

Good points.

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