Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople showing respect to Pope Leo XIV during Catholic Mass

Gnarwhal · May 18, 2025

Taylor Marshall tweeted this and I thought it was cool. Also may be a bit telling that some orthodox were kinda freaking out about it, if you look in the comments one orthobro is kinda speculating that Bartholomew “may be getting ready to kiss the ring and go into schism” which I took to mean the EP is showing signs of reuniting with Rome. Who knows for certain, though…

Le tweet:

https://x.com/taylorrmarshall/status/1924098262060937362?s=46

Michie · May 18, 2025

I don’t think the Orthodox are going anywhere anytime soon.

chevyontheriver · May 18, 2025

Gnarwhal said:
Taylor Marshall tweeted this and I thought it was cool. Also may be a bit telling that some orthodox were kinda freaking out about it, if you look in the comments one orthobro is kinda speculating that Bartholomew “may be getting ready to kiss the ring and go into schism” which I took to mean the EP is showing signs of reuniting with Rome. Who knows for certain, though…

Le tweet:

https://x.com/taylorrmarshall/status/1924098262060937362?s=46

Orthobros gotta Orthobro. That's one constant of the world.

chevyontheriver · May 18, 2025

Gnarwhal said:
Taylor Marshall tweeted this and I thought it was cool. Also may be a bit telling that some orthodox were kinda freaking out about it, if you look in the comments one orthobro is kinda speculating that Bartholomew “may be getting ready to kiss the ring and go into schism” which I took to mean the EP is showing signs of reuniting with Rome. Who knows for certain, though…

Le tweet:

https://x.com/taylorrmarshall/status/1924098262060937362?s=46

Taylor Marshall has amazed me by his submission to pope Leo XIV.

Gnarwhal · May 19, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
Taylor Marshall has amazed me by his submission to pope Leo XIV.

A lot of people have, to be honest.

mourningdove~ · May 19, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
Taylor Marshall has amazed me by his submission to pope Leo XIV.

I like how Michael Matt put it this weekend: "The reign of terror has ended." (lol ugh!)

Pope Leo is not a Traditionalist, but sincerely appears to have an appreciation for things traditional. And his temperament appears to me to potentially be conducive to actually bringing about some unification within the Church.

The vibe I'm getting is that many Trads podcasters are grateful to be free of the former oppressive papacy, and for the potential possibilities available to them now to actually 'dialogue' with the new pope over their concerns.

... I think it's a good vibe.

chevyontheriver · May 19, 2025

mourningdove~ said:
I like how Michael Matt put it this weekend: "The reign of terror has ended." (lol ugh!)

Pope Leo is not a Traditionalist, but sincerely appears to have an appreciation for things traditional. And his temperament appears to me to potentially be conducive to actually bringing about some unification within the Church.

The vibe I'm getting is that many Trads podcasters are grateful to be free of the former oppressive papacy, and for the potential possibilities available to them now to actually 'dialogue' with the new pope over their concerns.

... I think it's a good vibe.

I remember how enthused I was in the early days of pope Francis. I loved John Paul II and Benedict XVI. And I thought Francis might even top them. That enthusiasm sure crashed and burned. So I'm slow to warm to pope Leo XIV. Pope Francis was oppressive in so many ways, and a mess in so many more. So, indeed, the reign of terror has ended. There are glimmers of hope for me even if I am still a bit reserved. Yes, pope Francis was a real pope. Just a bad one. Praying this new guy can be better. Hard not to be better.

mourningdove~ · May 19, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
I remember how enthused I was in the early days of pope Francis. I loved John Paul II and Benedict XVI. And I thought Francis might even top them. That enthusiasm sure crashed and burned. So I'm slow to warm to pope Leo XIV. Pope Francis was oppressive in so many ways, and a mess in so many more. So, indeed, the reign of terror has ended. There are glimmers of hope for me even if I am still a bit reserved. Yes, pope Francis was a real pope. Just a bad one. Praying this new guy can be better. Hard not to be better.

Pope Leo's temperament is such a refreshing blessing! The folks that know him say he is not a 'mean' man. That alone makes him sound very good to me. (lol!)

... But I am being cautious, too, Chevy. A long time ago I learned: "If something seems too good to be true, it probably is." Sometimes what appears to be happening right now seems abit 'too good to be true'. But it also could genuinely be an answer to some prayers. I think only time will tell ...

Gnarwhal · May 19, 2025

mourningdove~ said:
I like how Michael Matt put it this weekend: "The reign of terror has ended." (lol ugh!)

Pope Leo is not a Traditionalist, but sincerely appears to have an appreciation for things traditional. And his temperament appears to me to potentially be conducive to actually bringing about some unification within the Church.

The vibe I'm getting is that many Trads podcasters are grateful to be free of the former oppressive papacy, and for the potential possibilities available to them now to actually 'dialogue' with the new pope over their concerns.

... I think it's a good vibe.

It's just nice not to feel hated by the Holy Father anymore.

I came into the Church in 2017 so that's all I've ever really known. I kinda had two catechesis: I was catechized in Church teaching, and I was simultaneously catechized in the traditionalist struggle to exist under Francis. So I came in already knowing the politics and Francis weird bias against trads. The feeling of unburdening that has come with Leo's election has been remarkable, especially as I continue to see things he says and does, both now and in the past.

Even when it comes to issues that trads are still concerned about like synodality. More than a few people have made a very good point that Leo may define synodality much more conventionally than Francis did. Synods have been a part of the Church since the beginning, but they always included the bishops and cardinals. They were never conferences to let the inmates (laymen) run the asylum. Given the revelation that the bishops and cardinals haven't liked this version of synodality because it's diminished their role, Leo may recalibrate how this carries on in the future and may even put more clear boundaries on what they can and can't address. Hopefully it comes with some disciplinary action against the renegade German bishops.

mourningdove~ said:
Pope Leo's temperament is such a refreshing blessing! The folks that know him say he is not a 'mean' man. That alone makes him sound very good to me. (lol!)

That's such an important detail too. There were accounts that Francis would get so mad he would lose consciousness, especially when things were coming to a head with traditionalist Catholics. I think one instance was just prior to him claiming EWTN (read: Arroyo) does the work of the devil. That was I think due to some criticisms from Arroyo and the papal posse.

Now there's been some claims coming out that he was taking medication for psychoses (which ones I don't know).

chevyontheriver · May 19, 2025

Gnarwhal said:
It's just nice not to feel hated by the Holy Father anymore.

Indeed. I felt like a number of insults from the Pope Francis Book of Insults were directed right at me.

The Pope Francis Little Book of Insults

popefrancisbookofinsults.blogspot.com

Gnarwhal said:
I came into the Church in 2017 so that's all I've ever really known. I kinda had two catechesis: I was catechized in Church teaching, and I was simultaneously catechized in the traditionalist struggle to exist under Francis. So I came in already knowing the politics and Francis weird bias against trads. The feeling of unburdening that has come with Leo's election has been remarkable, especially as I continue to see things he says and does, both now and in the past.

I grew up Catholic and felt nothing but support (with positive challenges to do even better) from popes John Paul and Benedict. Before that I have only dim memories of pope JP I, Paul VI, and John XXIII. I, too, felt what I can accurately call 'hatred' from pope Francis. He didn't know me but I felt as if he did and had a bevy of nasty names for me.

Gnarwhal said:
Even when it comes to issues that trads are still concerned about like synodality. More than a few people have made a very good point that Leo may define synodality much more conventionally than Francis did. Synods have been a part of the Church since the beginning, but they always included the bishops and cardinals. They were never conferences to let the inmates (laymen) run the asylum. Given the revelation that the bishops and cardinals haven't liked this version of synodality because it's diminished their role, Leo may recalibrate how this carries on in the future and may even put more clear boundaries on what they can and can't address. Hopefully it comes with some disciplinary action against the renegade German bishops.

I felt that Francis version synodality was mostly a vector for buggering the Church, adopted most clearly from Anglicanism, which it more or less ruined. But there have been other models of synodality, following on from Vatican II and also the way the Orthodox try to practice it. If the meaning of synodality gets twisted back to something like that, and stops being the way to bugger the Church, then maybe OK.

Gnarwhal said:
That's such an important detail too. There were accounts that Francis would get so mad he would lose consciousness, especially when things were coming to a head with traditionalist Catholics. I think one instance was just prior to him claiming EWTN (read: Arroyo) does the work of the devil. That was I think due to some criticisms from Arroyo and the papal posse.

I am a regular watcher of 'The World Over'. Every Thursday.

Gnarwhal said:
Now there's been some claims coming out that he was taking medication for psychoses (which ones I don't know).

I only heard the medication rumor for the first time today. I would like to know if there is some substance to that.

Cardinal Danieels finally publicly admitted to the Sanct Gallen Mafia, the group that got Bergoglio elected pope. A cabal of subterfuge and destruction.

tampasteve · May 19, 2025

Gnarwhal said:
if you look in the comments one orthobro is kinda speculating that Bartholomew “may be getting ready to kiss the ring and go into schism”

Michie said:
I don’t think the Orthodox are going anywhere anytime soon.

And the sentiment and thoughts of people like the ones quoted show that. Orthodoxy has little interest in working out the differences and having full communion.

Gnarwhal · May 19, 2025

tampasteve said:
And the sentiment and thoughts of people like the ones quoted show that. Orthodoxy has little interest in working out the differences and having full communion.

Honestly I've never been a fan of that effort anyway. The Roman Church is already made whole with the 23 sui juris churches that have returned to communion with us. If the Orthodox wanna come home, they can fall in with their corresponding ECC. If they don't it's their loss, in more ways than one.

tampasteve · May 19, 2025

Gnarwhal said:
Honestly I've never been a fan of that effort anyway. The Roman Church is already made whole with the 23 sui juris churches that have returned to communion with us. If the Orthodox wanna come home, they can fall in with their corresponding ECC. If they don't it's their loss, in more ways than one.

I agree, most Orthodox bodies have a corresponding ECC. The whole idea of national Orthodox churches causes issues, as can be seen currently with Russia and the EP and the mess in Ukraine.

RileyG · May 19, 2025

Michie said:
I don’t think the Orthodox are going anywhere anytime soon.

Yup. I doubt we will ever be reunited.

mourningdove~ · May 19, 2025

Gnarwhal said:
That's such an important detail too. There were accounts that Francis would get so mad he would lose consciousness, especially when things were coming to a head with traditionalist Catholics. I think one instance was just prior to him claiming EWTN (read: Arroyo) does the work of the devil. That was I think due to some criticisms from Arroyo and the papal posse.

Now there's been some claims coming out that he was taking medication for psychoses (which ones I don't know).

That's really interesting.

I first heard the claim about mental illness last week on Kennedy Hall.
That surprised me to hear him mention it because he just doesn't strike me as a gossip.
The way he put it, he said there were currently rumors circulating in Rome about this.

Next day, I heard it just casually mentioned again, on Avoiding Babylon.

But other than from you today, I've heard nothing more.

His behaviors, to me, greatly resembled those we might see from someone with a personality disorder. Sometimes they were just so brutal. Like the removal of Bishop Strickland from his position in Texas. Strickland is a good man. I couldn't believe what Francis did to him.

If Pope Leo decides to set any things straight, I hope he will reinstate Bishop Strickland somewhere ... and not in a horrible, miserable location. lol

Bishop Strickland has said that all he wants is to be back to work again.
I hope Pope Leo will do it.

Gnarwhal · May 19, 2025

mourningdove~ said:
Next day, I heard it just casually mentioned again, on Avoiding Babylon.

That's where I heard it as well. They're the only podcast I listen to nowadays and I think they're trustworthy guys, they don't tell tales out of school.

mourningdove~ said:
Bishop Strickland has said that all he wants is to be back to work again.
I hope Pope Leo will do it.

Me too. Not only do I hope he's reinstated but with so many major diocese and archdioceses seeing their cardinal/bishops reach retirement age, I hope to see bishop Strickland elevated to cardinal, along with Barron, Cordileone, and Sample.

RileyG · May 19, 2025

Gnarwhal said:
That's where I heard it as well. They're the only podcast I listen to nowadays and I think they're trustworthy guys, they don't tell tales out of school.

Me too. Not only do I hope he's reinstated but with so many major diocese and archdioceses seeing their cardinal/bishops reach retirement age, I hope to see bishop Strickland elevated to cardinal, along with Barron, Cordileone, and Sample.

Praying for many more young vocations, God's will be done! :prayer:

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