6,000 Years?

truthpls · May 10, 2025

River Jordan said:
Okay. I wanted to make sure you weren't saying scientists get results of 6,000 years but then cover up or change them.

No, they can never get that far. No more than an ant can jump to the moon

Mercy Shown · May 10, 2025

truthpls said:
If you could prove Him would that make Him more powerful in your mind? Or more subject to the little weak thoughts of yours?

Yeah, as usual, immediately sinking to an ad hominem attack.

truthpls · May 10, 2025

Mercy Shown said:
Yeah, as usual, immediately sinking to an ad hominem attack.

All men have weak thoughts, your accusation was wrong. In other words there is no chance science can figure it out. None.

FaithT · May 10, 2025

River Jordan said:
There is no verse in scripture where God specifically says that.

That's a way of reading Genesis that you're free to believe, but I (and most other Christians and Jews) don't agree with. That's okay though, it's not a salvation issue either way.

No, God does not say how old the earth and universe is. That was conjured up by James Ussher.

truthpls · May 10, 2025

FaithT said:
No, God does not say how the earth and universe is.

If it was made in Adam's day it was not all that long ago

FaithT · May 10, 2025

truthpls said:
If it was made in Adam's day it was not all that long ago

I meant to say that God doesn’t say how old it is. I corrected that. And I disagree. I’m a theistic evolutionist.

truthpls · May 10, 2025

FaithT said:
I meant to say that God doesn’t say how old it is. I corrected that. And I disagree. I’m a theistic evolutionist.

He said it was created in a week. I don't think it is a burning issue when Noah lived, or Enoch, or Adam or Abraham. Certainly no billions or millions of years involved. We can chose to believe that or not to believe it. Whatever 'deity' some people believe in that used great time and evolution to make us all, it is not God. Not Jesus. So it has no meaning to me at all, except to declare that a person has made the choice to reject God and creation.

trophy33 · May 11, 2025

Mercy Shown said:
You have so much faith that you believe that what scientists believe are facts.

This sentence does not make much sense, IMO.

trophy33 · May 11, 2025

truthpls said:
No, but I do realize you made that up

BNR32FAN said:
Yes, what’s your point?

Cool.

trophy33 · May 11, 2025

truthpls said:
I was. Not sure what you are talking about.

About Genesis, 6,000 years and creationism. Check the forum and the thread we are in.

trophy33 · May 11, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
God revealed the book of Genesis to Moses because there’s no way Moses could’ve had such knowledge of certain past events contained in Genesis, particularly Genesis chapters 1 & 2 when not a single person was alive to witness...

Do you really not realize how nonsensical this reasoning is? Did God reveal The Iliad to Homer, just because Homer could not possibly witness The Trojan War himself?

The universe was not created from primordial waters, there is no firmament, stars are not just lights in the firmament, there are no waters above firmament etc. What do you mean by "such knowledge"? There is nothing supernatural about it. It is actually scientifically incorrect.

It is mythological drama (Gen 1) and mythological narratives (Gen 2 and next). Such genres were common in many nations - Sumer, Egypt, Babylonia, Persia, Greece, Rome... and of course in Israel.

The purpose of Genesis is theological and nationalistic, not scientific. It was not even written at once, but had multiple authors and composers.

BNR32FAN · May 11, 2025

trophy33 said:
Do you really not realize how nonsensical this reasoning is? Did God reveal The Iliad to Homer, just because Homer could not possibly witness The Trojan War himself?

The universe was not created from primordial waters, there is no firmament, stars are not just lights in the firmament, there are no waters above firmament etc. What do you mean by "such knowledge"? There is nothing supernatural about it. It is actually scientifically incorrect.

It is mythological drama (Gen 1) and mythological narratives (Gen 2 and next). Such genres were common in many nations - Sumer, Egypt, Babylonia, Persia, Greece, Rome... and of course in Israel.

The purpose of Genesis is theological and nationalistic, not scientific. It was not even written at once, but had multiple authors and composers.

Yes, I know you don’t believe it, but it shouldn’t come as a shock to you that some Christians actually believe the Bible, and as long as it hasn’t been proven to be false I see no reason to question it.

truthpls · May 11, 2025

trophy33 said:
About Genesis, 6,000 years and creationism. Check the forum and the thread we are in.

About creation and how it happened. God says so. 6100 years is a good estimate of when Adam lived.

River Jordan · May 11, 2025

truthpls said:
He said it was created in a week. I don't think it is a burning issue when Noah lived, or Enoch, or Adam or Abraham. Certainly no billions or millions of years involved. We can chose to believe that or not to believe it. Whatever 'deity' some people believe in that used great time and evolution to make us all, it is not God. Not Jesus. So it has no meaning to me at all, except to declare that a person has made the choice to reject God and creation.

No, having a different interpretation of parts of scripture than you is not the same as not believing in God or Jesus, or rejecting God and creation.

You are not God.

truthpls · May 11, 2025

River Jordan said:
No, having a different interpretation of parts of scripture than you is not the same as not believing in God or Jesus, or rejecting God and creation.

You are not God.

He did say He created it all in 6 days. If that rocks your faith in science boat (or whatever) you should not falsely accuse others of not being of God. Any God that did not create it all like He says is not actually 'God'. Just another misuse of a word. Jesus created all things and without Him (big bang, evolution etc) was not anything made that was made. Jesus is the name of the creator.

River Jordan · May 11, 2025

truthpls said:
He did say He created it all in 6 days. If that rocks your faith in science boat (or whatever) you should not falsely accuse others of not being of God. Any God that did not create it all like He says is not actually 'God'. Just another misuse of a word. Jesus created all things and without Him (big bang, evolution etc) was not anything made that was made. Jesus is the name of the creator.

You're missing the point. You and I have different interpretations of parts of scripture, which is the norm within Christianity. But you've decided that your interpretation is the only right one and everyone who disagrees must not believe in God, Jesus, or God's creation.

That's the same you equating yourself and your interpretations with God, because they both have the same basic assumption: disagreeing with you is disagreeing with God.

We are taught to avoid such extreme pride, are we not?

truthpls · May 11, 2025

River Jordan said:
You're missing the point. You and I have different interpretations of parts of scripture, which is the norm within Christianity.

What Scripture did you think was subject to interpreting away exactly? The norm for believers is to believe.

River Jordan said:
But you've decided that your interpretation is the only right one and everyone who disagrees must not believe in God, Jesus, or God's creation.

Interpretation of what? That there was a six day creation in which the first woman and man were also created? That is a fact. Not some interpretation. A fact confirmed throughout Scripture and by Jesus. Did you think it was optional to believe that our One God created the heavens and the earth?

River Jordan said:
That's the same you equating yourself and your interpretations with God, because they both have the same basic assumption: disagreeing with you is disagreeing with God.

Empty words. Clouds with no lightning

River Jordan said:
We are taught to avoid such extreme pride, are we not?

Calling simple faith in God and absolutes clearly given in His word 'pride' is knavish.

River Jordan · May 11, 2025

truthpls said:
What Scripture did you think was subject to interpreting away exactly? The norm for believers is to believe.

You're still doing the same thing. Interpreting scripture differently than you is not the same as interpreting it away or not believing it.

Interpretation of what? That there was a six day creation in which the first woman and man were also created? That is a fact. Not some interpretation. A fact confirmed throughout Scripture and by Jesus.

I guess you're unaware of the fact that Jewish and Biblical scholars have had, and argued about, different interpretations of Genesis literally for millennia.

Did you think it was optional to believe that our One God created the heavens and the earth?

No one here is arguing that God didn't create the heavens and the earth. I said that to you before, so please try and remember.

Calling simple faith in God and absolutes clearly given in His word 'pride' is knavish.

You're doing it again, this time trying to imply that you're the one with faith in God and everyone who disagrees with you doesn't.

Disagreeing with you and reading parts of scripture differently than you is not disagreeing with God, not believing scripture, or denying that God created the heavens and earth.

truthpls · May 11, 2025

River Jordan said:
You're still doing the same thing. Interpreting scripture differently than you is not the same as interpreting it away or not believing it.

What, exactly? Chapter and verse?

River Jordan said:
I guess you're unaware of the fact that Jewish and Biblical scholars have had, and argued about, different interpretations of Genesis literally for millennia.

I am aware that many people think a lot of seminaries are actually unbelief factories. I am aware that many so called scholars are not actually believers. And as for Jewish or Muslim or etc scholars I am not sure they have a place at the table discussing creation by Jesus.

River Jordan said:
No one here is arguing that God didn't create the heavens and the earth. I said that to you before, so please try and remember.

OK so clarify? Are you saying that Jesus created the stars and man etc etc but that He did not do it like He said?

River Jordan said:
You're doing it again, this time trying to imply that you're the one with faith in God and everyone who disagrees with you doesn't.

No I am pointing out that creation is a fact. Not an interpretation.

River Jordan said:
Disagreeing with you and reading parts of scripture differently than you is not disagreeing with God, not believing scripture, or denying that God created the heavens and earth.

That depends on how we define the word 'God'. I define it as Jesus. He confirmed Genesis as did the apostles and others in the Scripture. It cannot be cut out. It is here to stay. A fact.

I will point out that you are accusing others of what you yourself are guilty of here. You said this to me "You are not God"

River Jordan · May 11, 2025

truthpls said:
What, exactly? Chapter and verse?

I am aware that many people think a lot of seminaries are actually unbelief factories. I am aware that many so called scholars are not actually believers. And as for Jewish or Muslim or etc scholars I am not sure they have a place at the table discussing creation by Jesus.

OK so clarify? Are you saying that Jesus created the stars and man etc etc but that He did not do it like He said?

No I am pointing out that creation is a fact. Not an interpretation.

That depends on how we define the word 'God'. I define it as Jesus. He confirmed Genesis as did the apostles and others in the Scripture. It cannot be cut out. It is here to stay. A fact.

I will point out that you are accusing others of what you yourself are guilty of here. You said this to me "You are not God"

It looks like you're not going to change. You will always see people who dare to read scripture differently than you as unbelievers, rather than as just Christians with different views.

We are taught to avoid pride and be humble for a reason.

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