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You're adding stuff to the Bible,

That's a negative.

I'm taking the Bible as is.

Those who claim Pi equals three are the ones adding to the Bible.*

* They are assuming "three point zero zero zero."
 
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If you wish I can pm you the full text of my query and ChatGPTs response.

Thanks anyway, but I've dropped the Not To Scale argument in favor of the Truncating Argument.
 
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That's a negative.

I'm taking the Bible as is.

Those who claim Pi equals three are the ones adding to the Bible.*

* They are assuming "three point zero zero zero."

No, you're adding to the Bible, plain and simple.

Thanks anyway, but I've dropped the Not To Scale argument in favor of the Truncating Argument.

That's still virtually the same thing in the end: adding to the Bible.
 
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No, you're adding to the Bible, plain and simple.



That's still virtually the same thing in the end: adding to the Bible.
What he is adding to the Bible ls literal inerrancy. Otherwise there would be no need for either of his arguments.
 
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I refuse to believe that you're genuinely being this dense about what we're talking about here.

Here's the verse in question that people claim shows Pi equals 3.000:

1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

I say the verse is correct as it stands.

What say you?
 
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Here's the verse in question that people claim shows Pi equals 3.000:

1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

I say the verse is correct as it stands.

What say you?

You originally and plainly said that it's Not To Scale as shown in post #221 and reinforced that point in post #241, and again in post #247 and again in post #415.

But it's clear you're flipp-flopping on your position now, so we can call this matter done with.
 
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Did I truncate it? :eek:

Honestly, I don't even think you know.

But it's no matter. You help a position, you then said the position doesn't matter. Ergo, you flip-flopped. Ergo the matter is done with.
 
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Here's the verse in question that people claim shows Pi equals 3.000:

1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

I say the verse is correct as it stands.

What say you?
Please, draw me a circle that is ten units in diameter, and thirty units in circumference.
 
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OK. Those of you who are familiar with my posts may have recognised that I am no fan of YECs, or flat Earther's, or 'moon landing is a hoax' advocates, or evolution deniers, etc. And I am certainly not a fan of AV's nonsense. All that said, rounded off to whole integers pi=3, and since many of you who share my earlier list of things I am not a fan of may well agree that the Bible is not a science book, tell me what's wrong with a non-science book doing such an approximation.
Executive Summary: on this occassion AV is correct.
 
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OK. Those of you who are familiar with my posts may have recognised that I am no fan of YECs, or flat Earther's, or 'moon landing is a hoax' advocates, or evolution deniers, etc. And I am certainly not a fan of AV's nonsense. All that said, rounded off to whole integers pi=3, and since many of you who share my earlier list of things I am not a fan of may well agree that the Bible is not a science book, tell me what's wrong with a non-science book doing such an approximation.
Executive Summary: on this occassion AV is correct.
If not taken as a science/book that describes reality there is no problem. When you argue like AV that everything it says in Bible is litteraly true with no room for interpretation then it becomes a problem that pi = 3.
 
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If not taken as a science/book that describes reality there is no problem. When you argue like AV that everything it says in Bible is litteraly true with no room for interpretation then it becomes a problem that pi = 3.
Indeed. The Bible could have had "perfect" communication on this score by simply eliminating one of the dimensions. E.g., it was 10 cubits across OR it was 30 cubits around. Thus, no pi could be inferred. Too, it could have said it was 10 cubits across and a cord of 30 cubits could NOT compass it about.
 
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Here's the verse in question that people claim shows Pi equals 3.000:

1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

I say the verse is correct as it stands.

What say you?
It is certainly an adequate description for literary purposes--unless you take the Bible as literal and inerrant.
 
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If not taken as a science/book that describes reality there is no problem. When you argue like AV that everything it says in Bible is litteraly true with no room for interpretation then it becomes a problem that pi = 3.
It is "literaly" and (more importantly, mathematically) true that, to one significant figure, pi=3. The underpinning of AVs argument - the Bible (specifically the KJV) must be taken literally - is flawed. However, in this case he has stumbled into finding a valid justification for declaring that pi=3. Yes, that's an approximation. Somewhere, lying in a stack of papers in my study I have a print out of pi to 10,000 decimal places. And that's an approximation too.
 
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Please, draw me a circle that is ten units in diameter, and thirty units in circumference.

No can do.

But if I say I have a hula-hoop 30 feet in circumference by 10 feet in diameter, would you say I'm wrong?

Or if I say Darwin died at the age of 73, would you say I'm wrong?
 
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It is certainly an adequate description for literary purposes--unless you take the Bible as literal and inerrant.

Do you take EVERYTHING literal and inerrant?

According to Google, the sun will rise today at 5:56 am.

Do you believe that?

Do you think I believe the Bible is totally literal?

Or do you think I believe the Bible is literal, but contains metaphor?
 
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OK. Those of you who are familiar with my posts may have recognised that I am no fan of YECs, or flat Earther's, or 'moon landing is a hoax' advocates, or evolution deniers, etc. And I am certainly not a fan of AV's nonsense. All that said, rounded off to whole integers pi=3, and since many of you who share my earlier list of things I am not a fan of may well agree that the Bible is not a science book, tell me what's wrong with a non-science book doing such an approximation.
Executive Summary: on this occassion AV is correct.
I don't even read his posts, but the "pi=3" argument is a bad one. The text only gives one digit of precision (ten, thirty), to which pi is 3. It makes no claim that there is more precision.

In "floating point" notation (the one used by computers to write large numbers,

d = 1.e01 ( or 1. x 10^1)
c = 3.e01 ( or 3. x10^1)
pi = 3.e00 ( or 3. x10^0)

This notation, with no more digits written after the decimal point, indicates that all we know is the "3" or "1" part. We know nothing else. This is a general problem with proper measurements that fall on round numbers, which is why this somewhat awkward form is useful for expressing what precision is available. If we knew that 30 was not 29 or 31, then we would write it as:

d = 1.0e01
c = 3.0e01
inferring pi = 3.0e00, which is clearly wrong as pi=3.1e00
 
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I don't even read his posts,

I don't think he does either.

He thinks I am a YEC, and this causes him to see my posts as "nonsense," which they would seem nonsensical to a YEC.

But viewed as Embedded Age, my posts should make sense.

Unless their devotion to science is so strong they have mental blocks.

In short, I can understand why my posts make no sense to him.
 
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