I feel like I can't relate to God or other Christians

trophy33 · 2025-05-01T00:28:51-0500

Jamdoc said:
Luke 24

You are right that in Greek there is the word "pneuma" - meaning spirit, but when we consider the context, I think it is more likely to be interpreted as a ghost, a phantasm. Because they were frightened.

That is why for example NIV translates:

"They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. "
Lk 24:37

All Becomes New · 2025-05-01T00:37:34-0500

trophy33 said:
You are right that in Greek there is the word "pneuma" - meaning spirit, but when we consider the context, I think it is more likely to be interpreted as a ghost, a phantasm. Because they were frightened.

That is why for example NIV translates:

"They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. "
Lk 24:37

Literally, in the same exact passage, he says,

Luke 24:39
"Look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself! Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have."

trophy33 · 2025-05-01T00:47:29-0500

All Becomes New said:
Literally, in the same exact passage, he says,

Luke 24:39
"Look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself! Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have."

I agree, it was not a ghost.

All Becomes New · 2025-05-01T00:48:52-0500

trophy33 said:
I agree, it was not a ghost.

Right, it was Jesus in the flesh.

trophy33 · 2025-05-01T00:49:33-0500

All Becomes New said:
Right, it was Jesus in the flesh.

Until He disappeared.

For example:
When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight
Lk 24:30-31

All Becomes New · 2025-05-01T00:57:32-0500

trophy33 said:
Until He disappeared.

For example:
When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight
Lk 24:30-31

His body is both spiritual and physical. It is like an angel's. He is not an angel, but his body is similar. Our bodies will be like that, too. But you honestly sound like a Gnostic heretic who believes the physical body is evil. Gnosticism was condemned a LONG time ago. The Apostles believe they saw Christ raised physically from the dead. That is why his body was not in the tomb.

trophy33 · 2025-05-01T01:01:12-0500

All Becomes New said:
His body is both spiritual and physical. It is like an angel's. He is not an angel, but his body is similar. Our bodies will be like that, too. But you honestly sound like a Gnostic heretic who believes the physical body is evil. Gnosticism was condemned a LONG time ago. The Apostles believe they saw Christ raised physically from the dead. That is why his body was not in the tomb.

Eeh, here go again with your attacks, naming and judgement. Not interested.

All Becomes New · 2025-05-01T01:05:11-0500

trophy33 said:
Eeh, here go again with your attacks, naming and judgement. Not interested.

Then tell me I am wrong and you are not a Gnostic. But you clearly believe what they believe about the resurrection.

trophy33 · 2025-05-01T01:09:54-0500

All Becomes New said:
Then tell me I am wrong and you are not a Gnostic. But you clearly believe what they believe about the resurrection.

I am not interested in playing this inquisitor game, which you seem to like.

If you want to talk about some Bible verse or about logic, you are still welcome.

All Becomes New · 2025-05-01T02:02:10-0500

trophy33 said:
I am not interested in playing this inquisitor game, which you seem to like.

If you want to talk about some Bible verse or about logic, you are still welcome.

Just want to know if you consider yourself a Gnostic. Not complicated.

Jamdoc · 2025-05-01T08:37:52-0500

trophy33 said:
You are right that in Greek there is the word "pneuma" - meaning spirit, but when we consider the context, I think it is more likely to be interpreted as a ghost, a phantasm. Because they were frightened.

That is why for example NIV translates:

"They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. "
Lk 24:37

Same idea, a non corporeal "projection" if you want to call it that. Jesus corrected them that it is actually Him, not a ghost, spirit, projection, figment of imagination, group hallucination, whatever, but was a real, flesh and bones body that they could touch and still bore the wounds from the cross
this was a real, physical resurrection, more than one in fact cause yes, Jesus could appear and disappear and all that, but he was a real physical person in a real body.
and that is what the apostles said we will be like.

2PhiloVoid · 2025-05-01T08:44:42-0500

Jamdoc said:
Same idea, a non corporeal "projection" if you want to call it that. Jesus corrected them that it is actually Him, not a ghost, spirit, projection, figment of imagination, group hallucination, whatever, but was a real, flesh and bones body that they could touch and still bore the wounds from the cross
this was a real, physical resurrection, more than one in fact cause yes, Jesus could appear and disappear and all that, but he was a real physical person in a real body.
and that is what the apostles said we will be like.

I agree. ..................... see, we have something in common, brother Jamdoc.

trophy33 · 2025-05-02T00:19:45-0500

Jamdoc said:
...but was a real, flesh and bones body...
...this was a real, physical resurrection...
...he was a real physical person in a real body...

It simply seems to me you do not believe spiritual is real. You think that only physical objects are real? What about God or angels, then?

Jesus said that people will be like angels, after the resurrection:

But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels.
Lk 20:35-36

And angels are spiritual:
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
Heb 1:14

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