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Judge Claims Trump Deported 2-Year-Old American Citizen with “No Meaningful Process” – Here’s What Really Happened

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Once again, the statement does not express any wishes.
Of course it did. It said she was taking her child with her.

That's a pretty good statement as to her wishes on the matter.

I don't know if you have kids and a spouse, but if you spouse said she was going to the store and was taking your child with her, wouldn't you think that's what she wanted? Or would you try to make a claim you had no idea what she wanted?
 
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Money. Shouldn't the USA pay for him and his daughter to travel there and come back?
Also the risk that once he is on the other side of the border that ICE won't let him back into his own country? He might just get disappeared or end up in a prison in some foriegn country. It seems this govt doesn't need evidence or due process and can just ignore court rulings.
Why? We paid fir tge child to go. We don't need to pay for tge child to return. We didn't force the child to go.

I suppose ICE could not let the child back, but i don't rightly know how they could deny it, if both mom and dad had legal papers giving dad custody.
 
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I'm fascinated how some of the same people that argued about how father's rights were being violated, when it came to abortion, seem to now be arguing that the father has no rights when it comes to deporting their minor child from the US.
I don't think anyone is arguing that. Mom said she was taking him. We can't stop her from doing so. Or at least shouldn't. I get that time is an issue, but we are not under any obligation to wait for the parental hearings to be completed. I would encourage the father to continue to pursue his rights and attempt to gain custody. This isn't tge first time one parent has left the country and taken the children with them, not to return.
 
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Not according to what I read. Even if she did that wouldn't apply to her child.
The child didn't need one. He's a citizen. And I read she did get her hearing.
Yes, when they ask for asylum.
No there is a time limit on their ability to ask for asylum.
 
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I don't think anyone is arguing that. Mom said she was taking him. We can't stop her from doing so. Or at least shouldn't. I get that time is an issue, but we are not under any obligation to wait for the parental hearings to be completed. I would encourage the father to continue to pursue his rights and attempt to gain custody. This isn't tge first time one parent has left the country and taken the children with them, not to return.

Actually, they are. If a mother, who is in a relationship with the father or does not have sole custody, leaves the country with a child that is considered kidnapping, per the law. She has no right to remove the child as the father has custody rights. You are very much arguing that the mother is fine taking the child, despite in any other circumstance of a mother leaving the country with the child would legally be considered kidnapping. It's even worse since most of those arguing the parent would claim she is a criminal, so why is it okay for a criminal to kidnap her child?
 
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Why? We paid fir tge child to go. We don't need to pay for tge child to return. We didn't force the child to go.
USA shouldn't have paid for the child to go. It is a USA citizen.
If they were deporting the mother (and most people would have issues with deporting a wife and mother of citizens) especially if she has not committed any crime other than simply not having the required paperwork., they should have gone through a legal process, not simply forcing her to sign a paper, but going through the courts, to determine what happens to the child.

If USA paid for the child to leave with the mother, and if the parents want the child with the father, and in her own country, then the USA should right the wrong they did, they should pay for the father to go and get her and bring her back, plus they should pay reparations.
I suppose ICE could not let the child back, but i don't rightly know how they could deny it, if both mom and dad had legal papers giving dad custody.
Really it is bizzare that USA are all of a sudden deporting a wife and mother of USA citizens. Very bizzare.
 
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Of course it did. It said she was taking her child with her.

That's a pretty good statement as to her wishes on the matter.
“I will bring my daughter with me to Honduras," is a statement of fact.

According to an attorney who is in contact with the mother, she had no choice in whether or not her child could stay in the United States and wasn't allowed to speak to her husband about the situation or make any arrangements to keep her in the country. ICE told her that her children were going with her, and she felt forced to write the note.

Even if this was a statement as to what her wishes were, as you believe. Without context, it means nothing. What was the statement an answer to? What if ICE asked, "Do you want to take the child with you to Honduras or leave her here with us?" How do you think the mother would answer after she had been taken hours away from her home to a hotel where she was detained and not allowed to speak with an attorney or family members? She thought she was going to a routine check-in appointment. She was going to be deported, and being hours away from her home, there was no one else around to leave her child with except ICE. Do you think she would leave her child with people who have deceived her?


Mom said she was taking him.
The child didn't need one. He's a citizen.
The child is a girl.

I read she did get her hearing.
There was no hearing. She went to a regular check-in appointment with her children, they were detained, and deported.
 
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The Biden administration lost track of hundreds of thousands of children, the Trump administration is trying to find them to re-unite them with their families. As to this lawyer, how could the lawyer claim she was under extreme duress when the lawyer wasn't even there?

The Trump Administration recently cancelled funding from the program that sought to re-unite children seprated from their families during the first Trump adminstration.
 
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The child didn't need one. He's a citizen. And I read she did get her hearing.
The child should not have been reported without a hearing. That is according to a Trump appointed judge in Louisiana. She didn't receive a hearing, before a judge. The judge said that he didn't know anything about it. She was being held in an ICE detention center in Louisiana.
No there is a time limit on their ability to ask for asylum.
In most cases it is 1 year from entering the US. But, one can still file, and a judge can determine if the person needs protection.
 
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Of course it did. It said she was taking her child with her.

That's a pretty good statement as to her wishes on the matter.

I don't know if you have kids and a spouse, but if you spouse said she was going to the store and was taking your child with her, wouldn't you think that's what she wanted? Or would you try to make a claim you had no idea what she wanted?
As Holman said, if the child was to remain in the US, the story would be how Trump is separating families.
 
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As Holman said, if the child was to remain in the US, the story would be how Trump is separating families.
Trump is already separating families. This woman is the wife of a citizen and she was going in for what she believed to be a routine meeting. The Trump administrations excuses are getting more and more pathetic.
 
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The Trump Administration recently cancelled funding from the program that sought to re-unite children seprated from their families during the first Trump adminstration.
Horrible people, and to think, USA voted for this, this is what they wanted.
 
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Trump is already separating families. This woman is the wife of a citizen and she was going in for what she believed to be a routine meeting. The Trump administrations excuses are getting more and more pathetic.
It is a shame that the anchor baby scheme isn't working to incentivise illegal migration anymore. Too bad.
 
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It is a shame that the anchor baby scheme isn't working to incentivise illegal migration anymore. Too bad.

It wasn't an "anchor baby" as the child had US citizenship through her father, her mother's husband.
 
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It is a shame that the anchor baby scheme isn't working to incentivise illegal migration anymore. Too bad.
Tell us more about how you feel about this mans wife and child on a forum dedicated to Christ.
 
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The father is not in prison. What are you talking about?



When the father arrived at the ICE field office, officers gave him papers stating that the mother “was under their custody,” and that she “would call him soon.” That same day, an attorney for the family contacted ICE, informing them that VML was a U.S. citizen, according to an emergency petition in the Western District of Louisiana. The filing also included an emailed copy of the girl’s U.S. birth certificate sent to ICE.


U.S. District Judge Terry Doughty, a Trump appointee, said the girl was released in Honduras Friday afternoon alongside her mother, despite her father’s efforts. According to court documents, VML was born Baton Rouge, La., in January 2023.
Sorry. Got my threads mixed up. I will delete those messages.
 
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