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The more you tell yourself that, it won't become true, you know.
Isn't that like saying, Serial rapists like John Allen raped children, so it was God's plan for that to happen.
Does that sound reasonable to you?
I think you meant to ask... Can you give one example from the Bible where God does not control all things?
Since, if God did not control things, no life would exist.
I can give you a hundred, but since you only want one...
Jeremiah 14:15; Jeremiah 23:21... I'll throw in a bonus. Jeremiah 7:31
Please don't tell me God lied, because God cannot lie Hebrews 6:18 , and that would only indicate you are being ridiculous.
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If we look at the world from our individual limited view point in our specific place and time, it may look so. But if we could see everything with all the eternity to the past and to the future, we would see that anything else than what happens would be a worse choice.
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Completely unreasonable. But that was God's decision to make that man. Did not God create that man with all of the impulses and set his level of control? Did God not know the fate of that man and all his victims when God created him?
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Which other parts of the universe does not control? Are there many things beyond his power to control or only a select few things?
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Oh please. I thought you had read the Bible.
1 Kings 22:19-24
And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
Jeremiah 4:10
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jeremiah 20:7
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
Ezekiel 14:9
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
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If God can make anything happen without the need for suffering why would he add suffering? It's not like he doesn't casually demand death and suffering at times.
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
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Try this for the answer. Genesis 22:12
You said you read the Bible from cover to cover, so I don't think I need to give you the surrounding texts.
There is nothing beyond God's power to control. I did not say that.
However, God does not create and manage robot, and so he does not control humans inclinations, desires, motives and will.
God allows man to exercise his God given freedom of Choice. Deuteronomy 30:19
Those who choose a path contrary to God, will come to their finish, at God's appointed time. Psalm 37:1, 2; Psalm 92:7
God is not flustered by their presences, because he is aware of his will and power, to end all evil ones completely, and restore what was lost, and that includes young and old in the dust of the earth. Daniel 12:2; John 5:27, 28
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Maybe I read it upside down. Let's see.
Nothing there about God lying.
Let's see the next.
I'm sorry. I'm not laughing at you.Just laughing at how the writer expressed himself.
So, a man thought they would have abundant peace, and was disappointed, and you think God lied?
No. The man mistakenly assumed what was not to be.
What God said was true. They would have peace... conditionally. If they kept the covenant.
So it was.
Same thing.
Nothing here about God lying.
What's lying about letting people believe what they want to believe, because they hate truth?
Where did you read God lied?
Allowing false prophets to do what they do best, is not God lying.
Again. God let's people do what they want.
That text does not say God lied.
So, I deceived my neighbor, by hiding and he believed I was out.
Where in that statement did I lie?
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Because it would be worse without it. God adds only the absolutely necessary amount of suffering, because He does not like it either.
I do not believe that every word in the Bible is inspired or literal history or original etc. Many OT books were written during the Babylonian exile, in which Jews as a nation suffered a lot, so they maybe reflected some "revenge" cruel symbolism or purging purism into the books they wrote about their past.
There is no external evidence such things really happened, that they really burnt any witch etc.
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Critical thinking, basically. Bible is so complex library of so much text from so different authors, cultures and times and with so many different purposes and later edits that it is hard to give some simple specific criteria or rule.
However, in any situation, I will rather defend the goodness or perfection of God than some text in the Bible. Bible is not above God.
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Yeah, God is unable to lie, God is unable to create a triangle with 4 sides etc. Some things are simply morally or logically impossible for God to do. I think it is the same for choosing the best possible world, there can be just 1, logically. And God could not chose a worse one, morally.
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Not the God the Bible is about.
The God the churches speak of, is not described in the Bible.
Remember, many people have their own ideas about God, but ask them to show you this God in the Bible, and there is no agreement with the scripture.
It's sort of like when you are asked to show what you claim about God, and find no support, but only misconceptions.
Please note what the poster said, on his own, with no prompting.
I do not believe that every word in the Bible is inspired.
It is kind of my interpretation inspired by the thinking of G.W. Leibniz - Theodicy.
Yet, these are not things that Jesus, nor his apostles said.
One writer said it's God breathed. Another said holy spirit guided what was written.
Both Jesus and his apostles used the Bible, and said it was all true. Psalm 12:6; John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17; Hebrews 4:12; 2 Peter 1:21; 1 Thessalonians 2:13
Since you read the Bible from cover to cover, you would know what Jesus and his apostles said regarding their absence. Matthew 24:11; Acts 20:29, 30; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Peter 2:1
Jesus and his father are one, so everything Jesus believed, and taught is in agreement with God.
We find God's word in the Bible. Not on the lips of men. Romans 3:4
But let God be true, and every man a liar, as it has been written: "That You may be justified in Your words, and will prevail in Your being judged."
Many people both past and present, like to hear what tickles the ear.
There is nothing that God wants to do, that he cannot do.
Every thing God wants to do, he is doing, and his will cannot fail.
This is what the scriptures say. Isaiah 55:10, 11 - For just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout, and providing seed to sow and food to eat, so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it.
There is no scripture in the Bible that says God added suffering. Proverbs 10:22; James 1:13-15
Would you rather what the scriptures say, or what man says? You have not even asked the poster for one scripture to support anything they say... did you notice?
You asked me for scripture... which I thought was a good thing. ...and you used scripture... which is very good.
You did more than most of those identifying as Christian. Which is an interesting headline.
Atheist using the Bible in conversation with Christian not using the Bible
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Is it not the Bible where you learn about God?
Where else would you learn about God an Jesus if not from the Bible?
Would it not be from the lips and books of men who claim to use the Bible?
Would it be wise to be dragged here and there by men, rather than let the Bible be your "road map"?
Do you know whom atheists love most?
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How could there possibly one answer to this question?
Therefore, I guarantee your answer is wrong.
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