Video: 'You would think we deported a candidate for father of the year'

JosephZ · Wednesday at 9:52 AM

probinson said:
Again, all we know for certain is that the judge didn't deem it an emergency. The case was never judged on its merits.

An emergency hearing request was granted, and a decision was made based on the complaint's merits. Court records show that there was an emergency hearing held on the ex-husband's complaint on August 20, 2018. During that hearing, the judge found that the ex-husband's claims were meritless and decided that it was not an emergency case. (We know this because if the ex-husband's case had merit, the judge would have issued a court order to remove the children from the dangers the ex-husband claimed they faced.) The judge also made the decision to allow the matter to proceed in due course, which means it became an ordinary child custody case. That case was never heard. It was dismised on February 26, 2019 because the court lacked jurisdiction.

probinson · Wednesday at 10:37 AM

JosephZ said:
An emergency hearing request was granted, and a decision was made based on the complaint's merits. Court records show that there was an emergency hearing held on the ex-husband's complaint on August 20, 2018. During that hearing, the judge found that the ex-husband's claims were meritless and decided that it was not an emergency case. (We know this because if the ex-husband's case had merit, the judge would have issued a court order to remove the children from the dangers the ex-husband claimed they faced.) The judge also made the decision to allow the matter to proceed in due course, which means it became an ordinary child custody case. That case was never heard. It was dismised on February 26, 2019 because the court lacked jurisdiction.

Yes. Again, we know that the judge didn't deem it an "emergency" and that the case was dismissed due to jurisdictional issues. That's all we know. Everything you keep adding is speculative because the case was never heard.

JosephZ · Wednesday at 10:42 AM

probinson said:
we know that the judge didn't deem it an "emergency"

What would the judge use to determine whether or not it was an emergency?

probinson · Wednesday at 10:44 AM

JosephZ said:
What would the judge use to determine whether or not it was an emergency?

Why would the judge allow the case to proceed in due course?

We can both speculate all day. What we KNOW is that the judge deemed it to not be an emergency and the case was dismissed due to lack of jurisdiction.

BPPLEE · Wednesday at 10:52 AM

JosephZ said:
This is true, but if the ex-husband's claims had merit, the children would have been removed from the mother's home until the case was heard.

The ruling was that it wasn't an emergency, not on the merit of the claims

JosephZ said:
An emergency hearing request was granted, and a decision was made based on the complaint's merits. Court records show that there was an emergency hearing held on the ex-husband's complaint on August 20, 2018. During that hearing, the judge found that the ex-husband's claims were meritless and decided that it was not an emergency case. (We know this because if the ex-husband's case had merit, the judge would have issued a court order to remove the children from the dangers the ex-husband claimed they faced.) The judge also made the decision to allow the matter to proceed in due course, which means it became an ordinary child custody case. That case was never heard. It was dismised on February 26, 2019 because the court lacked jurisdiction.

This is why Trump is winning on this issue. Yes, the man was wrongfully deported and that issue needs to be resolved but the Democrats and everyone on that side of the aisle will defend this man no matter what he has done. I’m not talking about defending his due process rights, your posts are defending the man.
There’s every indication that the man is a gang member and was abusive to his wife but no one wants to admit that . You would think we had deported the father of the year

JosephZ · Wednesday at 11:05 AM

BPPLEE said:
There’s every indication that the man is a gang member and was abusive to his wife but no one wants to admit that .

If there is every indication that Garcia is a gang member, why in 2019 did one of the most conservative immigration judges in the country have him released, grant him a withholding of removal order, and allow him work authorization?

BPPLEE · Wednesday at 11:50 AM

JosephZ said:
If there is every indication that Garcia is a gang member, why in 2019 did one of the most conservative immigration judges in the country have him released, grant him a withholding of removal order, and allow him work authorization?

Because he was in danger from another gang in El Salvador.
The judge who granted Kilmar Abrego Garcia an order preventing his deportation to El Salvador in 2019 was an immigration judge, but the specific identity and political leanings of that judge are not clearly detailed in the available information. The 2019 ruling granted Abrego Garcia a "withholding of removal," protecting him from deportation to El Salvador due to the risk of persecution by local gangs.

JosephZ · Wednesday at 12:20 PM

BPPLEE said:
Because he was in danger from another gang in El Salvador.

That was because of his family ties, not because he was a gang member himself. See post #186

BPPLEE said:
The judge who granted Kilmar Abrego Garcia an order preventing his deportation to El Salvador in 2019 was an immigration judge, but the specific identity and political leanings of that judge are not clearly detailed in the available information.

The judge was Judge David M. Jones, a former military judge appointed by the Trump administration who had an asylum claim denial rate of 63.2%, which was higher than the national average (57.7%) for all immigration judges.

BPPLEE said:
The 2019 ruling granted Abrego Garcia a "withholding of removal," protecting him from deportation to El Salvador due to the risk of persecution by local gangs.

If Garcia was believed to be a gang member, and/or a threat to society, why didn't the judge keep him in custody until he could be deported? Why didn't the Trump administration appeal the Judge's decision to release him if they felt that he was a gang member, and/or a threat to society?

GoldenBoy89 · Wednesday at 12:40 PM

RocksInMyHead said:
Not really, as it reflects public opinion of the individual. At this point though, I've recognized that the well is...er...well and truly poisoned, and there's no point in trying to change your personal opinion of the man. In then end though, what you think of him is meaningless as far as the justice system goes. He could be literally Hitler, and it wouldn't change my position on this - he deserves due process under the law. If the courts said that he couldn't be deported, and he was deported anyway, then the government broke the law. Full stop. Nothing else matters at that point. They should be doing everything in their power to correct their mistake, no matter who he is or how good or bad a person he is. If, once the mistake is corrected, they want to go to court and ask that his protection from deportation be revoked, they can do that. And if their request is granted, they can deport him again, and I won't raise a fuss - due process will have been followed.

But trying to distract from the fact that the government violated a court order - broke the law - by arguing that the victim somehow deserved it because he wasn't a model human being (whether that's true or not) is pretty morally bankrupt in my opinion and runs completely counter to the founding principles of our country.

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rambot · Wednesday at 12:48 PM

BPPLEE said:
There’s every indication that the man is a gang member and was abusive to his wife but no one wants to admit that . You would think we had deported the father of the year

"Every indication"? I'm willing to admit I haven't been following the case that closely, but I am unaware of very much evidence whatsoever against him; other than one testimony claiming he was in a gang when he didn't live in the place where he was being accused.

Trump's team CGI'ed the most pathetic tatoo on his knuckles I've ever seen.

What other evidence has been presented against him as a person?

BPPLEE · Wednesday at 12:50 PM

JosephZ said:
That was because of his family ties, not because he was a gang member himself. See post #186

The judge was Judge David M. Jones, a former military judge appointed by the Trump administration who had an asylum claim denial rate of 63.2%, which was higher than the national average (57.7%) for all immigration judges.

If Garcia was believed to be a gang member, and/or a threat to society, why didn't the judge keep him in custody until he could be deported? Why didn't the Trump administration appeal the Judge's decision to release him if they felt that he was a gang member, and/or a threat to society?

In the U.S., the most comprehensive data about deportation hearings comes from the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR). In fiscal year 2023, EOIR immigration judges completed approximately 716 cases per judge, with 734 judges, suggesting around 525,000 deportation-related hearings annually.
Do you really think the Trump administration could appeal every decision they didn't agree with?

rambot · Wednesday at 12:52 PM

BPPLEE said:
Do you really think the Trump administration could appeal every decision they didn't agree with?

"could"?
If they would have a constitutional obligation to do so, then "could" becomes moot. "Must" becomes the word of the day.

BPPLEE · Wednesday at 12:55 PM

rambot said:
"Every indication"? I'm willing to admit I haven't been following the case that closely, but I am unaware of very much evidence whatsoever against him; other than one testimony claiming he was in a gang when he didn't live in the place where he was being accused.

Trump's team CGI'ed the most pathetic tatoo on his knuckles I've ever seen.

What other evidence has been presented against him as a person?

The photoshop was to show what the tattoos on his knuckles stood for. They were marijuana, smile, cross, skull.
The claim was these tattoos represent MS13, not that the MS13 in the photoshop was actually on his knuckles.
Do the tattoos actually represent MS13?
I don't know

BPPLEE · Wednesday at 12:58 PM

rambot said:
"could"?
If they would have a constitutional obligation to do so, then "could" becomes moot. "Must" becomes the word of the day.

More like infeasible

BPPLEE · Wednesday at 1:02 PM

rambot said:
"Every indication"? I'm willing to admit I haven't been following the case that closely, but I am unaware of very much evidence whatsoever against him; other than one testimony claiming he was in a gang when he didn't live in the place where he was being accused.

Trump's team CGI'ed the most pathetic tatoo on his knuckles I've ever seen.

What other evidence has been presented against him as a person?

The he evidence presented to allege that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a member of the MS-13 gang primarily stems from a 2019 incident in a Home Depot parking lot in Prince George’s County, Maryland, and subsequent government documents. Here is a breakdown of the evidence cited by authorities
Evidence Cited by Authorities:

Gang Field Interview Sheet (GFIS) from Prince George’s County Police (2019):
- Clothing: Abrego Garcia was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie with images of rolls of money covering the eyes, ears, and mouths of U.S. presidents. The police report claimed this attire was “indicative of Hispanic gang culture” and that the Chicago Bulls hat specifically represented membership in MS-13, allegedly symbolizing the gang’s “devil horns” motif.
- Confidential Informant: A “past proven and reliable source” informed police that Abrego Garcia was an active member of MS-13’s “Westerns clique” (based in upstate New York), holding the rank of “Chequeo” (a low-level member) with the moniker “Chele.”
- Association: Abrego Garcia was detained with three other men, two of whom were identified as confirmed MS-13 members and one suspected of gang affiliation. One of the men reportedly stated that MS-13 members only associate with other members or prospects.
DHS Form I-213 (2019):
- This form reiterated the GFIS claims, asserting that Abrego Garcia was “identified” and “validated” as an MS-13 member. It also stated he was detained in connection to a murder investigation, though this conflicts with the GFIS, which cited loitering as the reason for detention.
Immigration Judge’s Bond Denial (2019):
- Immigration Judge Elizabeth Kessler denied Abrego Garcia bond, citing the GFIS and Form I-213 as evidence. She noted that while she was reluctant to give weight to his clothing, the confidential informant’s statement was sufficient to support the gang membership claim, and Abrego Garcia failed to rebut it. This decision was upheld on appeal.
Tennessee Traffic Stop (2022):
- A DHS report from a December 2022 traffic stop in Tennessee, where Abrego Garcia was stopped for speeding, alleged he was involved in human trafficking. The officer noted eight passengers in the vehicle, no luggage, and all giving the same home address, raising suspicions. The report also claimed law enforcement “confirmed” Abrego Garcia as an MS-13 member, though no new evidence was provided beyond prior claims.
Tattoo Claim (2025):
- In April 2025, President Trump displayed a photo of Abrego Garcia’s tattooed hand, asserting the markings indicated MS-13 membership. No specific details about the tattoos or their alleged gang significance were provided in public records.
Prince George’s County Police Gang Unit Validation (2019):

JosephZ · Wednesday at 1:15 PM

BPPLEE said:
In the U.S., the most comprehensive data about deportation hearings comes from the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR). In fiscal year 2023, EOIR immigration judges completed approximately 716 cases per judge, with 734 judges, suggesting around 525,000 deportation-related hearings annually.
Do you really think the Trump administration could appeal every decision they didn't agree with?

How many of those cases involve gang members that are a threat to society?

The IbanezerScrooge · Wednesday at 1:16 PM

BPPLEE said:
The photoshop was to show what the tattoos on his knuckles stood for. They were marijuana, smile, cross, skull.
The claim was these tattoos represent MS13, not that the MS13 in the photoshop was actually on his knuckles.
Do the tattoos actually represent MS13?
I don't know

Um, no. Convicted felon Trump literally said he had the letters "MS" and the numbers "13" tattooed on his knuckles. That photograph was legit, according to the felon. Is he lying and gaslighting or stupid?

And all of this is moot anyway. The issue is that he had an order from an immigration judge that he was not to be deported. This was all before the convicted felon was elected to the presidency. The government violated that order. The government was ordered to rectify it. Whether this guy is "father of the year" or a serial wife-beater who is a gang member the government broke the law.

BPPLEE · Wednesday at 1:26 PM

The IbanezerScrooge said:
Um, no. Convicted felon Trump literally said he had the letters "MS" and the numbers "13" tattooed on his knuckles. That photograph was legit, according to the felon. Is he lying and gaslighting or stupid?

And all of this is moot anyway. The issue is that he had an order from an immigration judge that he was not to be deported. This was all before the convicted felon was elected to the presidency. The government violated that order. The government was ordered to rectify it. Whether this guy is "father of the year" or a serial wife-beater who is a gang member the government broke the law.

He was wrongly deported. That's not the topic of this thread
Trump is wrong about the tattoo if that's what he said

Hans Blaster · Wednesday at 1:44 PM

BPPLEE said:
He was wrongly deported. That's not the topic of this thread
Trump is wrong about the tattoo if that's what he said

This thread was over at post #2. That's how you deal with propagandists like Leavitt.

BPPLEE · Wednesday at 2:13 PM

Hans Blaster said:
This thread was over at post #2. That's how you deal with propagandists like Leavitt.

In their words: What judges and Trump's government say about Abrego Garcia's mistaken deportation

President Donald Trump says he “could” bring Kilmar Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador if he wanted to. But he insists the 29-year-old Salvadoran, who had

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