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Where in the Bible would you go to say God decreed "Whatsoever comes to pass"?
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God saved me, then He doesn't want me to believe the truth. Sounds just right... I on the other hand believe God wants you to believe the truth, but you resist it. The fault is not on God, it's on you.
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Ro 4:15, 18 - has mercy on whom he pleases, hardens whom he pleases
Eph 1:11 - works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will
Heb 6:17 - unchanging nature of his purpose
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By NATURE we are children of wrath; all have sinned. Mercifully God saved us and made us Christians.
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Rom: He does not have mercy or harden every person. That is not stated in the text.
Eph: That's just God's sovereignty, which Catholics would affirm and they believe in LFW (I don't).
Heb: Purpose is a tricky word. It does not mean "decree." It can mean things besides "decree."
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Arminians and Calvinists haven't agreed for centuries; it's not likely to happen in this thread.
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I agree!
After being saved we are no longer "by nature" children of wrath. We have a new nature, which means we are no longer under wrath. Maybe you agree?
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I dont judge folks salvation, however I know presently you have been very resistant towards the Truth of the Gospel, but thats everyone until God opens up their understanding
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If you have been sharing the gospel we sure got a different understanding what the gospel is.
I feel a bit sad hearing Calvinists share their understanding of the Bible. But that is just how things are at the moment. Calvinists are still a minor Christian branch.
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TULIP is a systematized soteriology, not the Gospel. I'm afraid you are the one who does not know the Gospel here. I am not a Calvinist or an Arminion, BTW, so I have no fight in this, but if you think TULIP IS the Gospel, you have put your trust in the traditions of men.
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Why focus so much on a 17th century doctrine instead of focusing on the teachings of the Early Church?
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Neither do I judge people's salvation. It's not my job. Salvation has very little to do with theology, but a lot to do with heart.
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I disagree with Aminius!I agree!
After being saved we are no longer "by nature" children of wrath. We have a new nature, which means we are no longer under wrath. Maybe you agree?
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Salvation is a gift of God before we do x, y, or z. He converts us while we are DEAD in sins.
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What you call 17th century doctrine is biblical doctrine. The Bible is the word of God; do you believe the Trinity? It is biblical, but the Nicene Creed was formulated from later discussions of the Bible.
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Non-Calvinists tend to dislike Calvinism or others who say God decides whom He will convert.
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I think dead in sins means you will die in your sins if you don't repent. I don't think it has anything to do with our power or limitation to repent.
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
— John 8:24
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