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Autism, and Detecting Symptoms on the "Spectrum"

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The prevalence of young kids with symptoms on the "Spectrum",
depends heavily on whether an area has medical services (and especially
medical insurance) that allows parents to test their kids for one of the many
symptoms of autism.

"Research has not demonstrated that living in certain communities puts children at greater risk for developing ASD. Differences in the prevalence of children identified with ASD across communities might be due to differences in availability of services for early detection and evaluation and diagnostic practices. For example, California has had the highest prevalence among children aged 4 years and 8 years since joining the ADDM Network in 2018 (6,10,11,13) and has a local initiative (the Get SET Early model). As part of the initiative, hundreds of local pediatricians have been trained to screen and refer children for assessment as early as possible, which could result in higher identification of ASD, especially at early ages (17). In addition, California has regional centers throughout the state that provide evaluations and service coordination for persons with disabilities and their families (https://www.dds.ca.gov). Another reason for differences in prevalence could be whether children have insurance coverage or meet eligibility criteria for access to early intervention services. Pennsylvania, the site with second highest prevalence among children aged 8 years, has state Medicaid policy that includes children with physical, developmental, mental health, or intellectual disabilities regardless of parents’ income (18)."

(The Spectrum" of symptoms is referred to as ASD, by medical professionals.)

"Despite the variability in ASD prevalence across sites, a consistent pattern was observed of higher estimated ASD prevalence among A/PI, Black, Hispanic, and multiracial children than among White children across sites in 2022. This pattern was first observed among children aged 8 years in 2020 (6) and among children aged 4 years in 2018 (10) and contrasts with earlier ADDM findings that indicated the highest ASD prevalence was among White children compared with other groups (7).

Similarly, a previously reported pattern of higher ASD prevalence among children in higher SES neighborhoods from 2002 through 2010 (7) was last observed for one ADDM site in 2018 (13). The opposite pattern, higher ASD prevalence associated with low MHI, or no association of ASD prevalence with MHI, has been reported for other sites and overall from 2018 through 2022 (6,13). Use of SVI adds additional socioeconomic and community information (15) and similarly to MHI, higher ASD prevalence has not been associated with lower vulnerability at the site level and overall in 2020 (22) and 2022. Similar findings have been reported from the National Health Interview Survey, California Department of Developmental Services, and the England Spring School Census in recent years (2325).

The reversal of these patterns in prevalence by race and ethnicity and SES is consistent with increased access to and provision of identification services among previously underserved groups. However, in a report examining ADDM Network data from 2020, higher MHI was still associated with higher ASD prevalence among A/PI, Black, and Hispanic children but not White children when stratified by both race and MHI, suggesting continued need for more equitable ASD identification (22). The low ASD prevalence observed in 2022 for both Texas sites, which included primarily Hispanic and lower MHI communities, could reflect this finding and suggest lack of access or barriers to accessing identification services."

Lest some people may grab onto the conspiracy theory that non-whites are
somehow, inferior, and THAT is the reason for higher rates of "autism", the
studies show that this prevalence is due to the lack of access to higher
quality health care.

"ASD prevalence was consistently higher among boys than among girls across sites in 2022. Male-to-female prevalence ratios among children aged 8 years have narrowed in recent years from 4.2 in 2018 to 3.8 in 2020 to 3.4 in 2022 (6,13), but the decreasing prevalence ratio could be deceiving if interpreted as improvement in identification of girls with ASD. The difference in prevalence between boys and girls widened per 1,000 children from 27.7 in 2018 to 31.7 in 2020 to 34.9 in 2022."

*** NOTE THAT the ASD "Spectrum" is NOT the only measure of behavior, or difficulty in
communication. The list of common behaviors among PSYCHOPATHS, is fascinating,
and involves males MUCH MORE THAN FEMALES. (Besides reading this article carefully,
TRY READING THE CAREFULLY RESEARCHED BOOK "Columbine", about the shooters
who carried out the school shooting at Columbine High School.

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The carefully controlled studies referred to in this article, do not fit the
ridiculous conspiracy theory stories that vaccinations CAUSE autism.

The tendency of some people, including some Christians, to believe the
simplistic conspiracy theory that "vaccines cause autism, is due to mental
laziness. (Try reading theough the thread on Conspiracy Theories and
Wikipedia.)

Just as the internet hothouse discussion groups that discuss the Columbine
High School shooters' motivations, GOT ALMOST ALL OF THEM WRONG,
so too, the conspiracy theories about the cause of autism GET ALMOST
EVERYTHING WRONG.
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While Christians may think that they have the "right" to believe whatever
they want (this is just a result of free will), they should NEVER confuse that
ability to choose, with their own MORAL-ETHICAL RESPONSIBILITY for
what they choose to believe.

We are all MORALLY-ETHICALLY RESPONSIBLE for what we choose to
believe.
 

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This article documents that the conspiracy theory that vaccines
cause autism, are accompanied by decades-long controlled scientific
studies that show no causation.

So, why are more Americans believing this conspiracy theory, that vaccines
cause autism?
 
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This article documents that the conspiracy theory that vaccines
cause autism, are accompanied by decades-long controlled scientific
studies that show no causation.

So, why are more Americans believing this conspiracy theory, that vaccines
cause autism?

Some people can't accept the fact that sometimes science doesn't give us clear answers, but it hardly justifies jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.
 
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So, why are more Americans believing this conspiracy theory, that vaccines
cause autism?
Because there are so many people who see marked changes in their children immediatly after vaccines administered.

Without a control group, such as several thousand children not given vaccinations until age 6 and under careful observation, we are not going to have an answer.

Bad news travels faster than good news.
 
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This article documents that the conspiracy theory that vaccines
cause autism, are accompanied by decades-long controlled scientific
studies that show no causation.

So, why are more Americans believing this conspiracy theory, that vaccines
cause autism?

As I've said before, some of us fellow "Christians" are of different theological and eschatological leanings in our respective worldview; we hardly think we're responsible to adhere to other people's ontological, epistemological, ethical, or otherwise asserted theological demands.

For my Existential / Evidential / Realist outlook, I decline from accepting the prescription that I must be accountable for your definition of what is "MORALLY-ETHICALLY RESPONSIBLE." This even applies to demands from those who think they "know" better than I do, and I'll say this even though I recently got my DTP vaccine updated.

However, if I deem that a vaccine "isn't for me," I don't want to hear that someone else's view of the world structures are somehow supremely dominant over my own and that I have to utterly and completely kowtow to those particular nuances that I don't think hold final substance.

.................. Am I a promoter of "Conspiracy Theory," if I refuse to comply and cooperate fully? My answer: no, I am not. And if people think they'll argue with me about it, then I have a few select philosophical or other scholarly nuggets for them to chew upon since they persist in being so insistent about their own "factualities."
 
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Because there are so many people who see marked changes in their children immediatly after vaccines administered.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

Y after X doesn't mean X caused Y.

It just so happens the most profound cases of autism involve autistic regression at a very young age, as children don't meet developmental milestones. It doesn't mean it's caused by vaccines. There is no good evidence autism is caused by vaccines.

 
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For a real life example: back in 2009 i knew of a woman in the usmc with me in cherry point north carolina. She had a child, i forget the gender, and how old it was, but around 3 months to a year.

It got a bunch of shots in one dr visit.. and then it was unresponsive and slept for around 24 hours.

It doesnt take very many of these kinds of real life examples to get a certain percentage of people scared.
Y after X doesn't mean X caused Y.

Where there is smoke there is fire.

Are autism rates actually going up? Some say no.
 
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Because there are so many people who see marked changes in their children immediatly after vaccines administered.

Without a control group, such as several thousand children not given vaccinations until age 6 and under careful observation, we are not going to have an answer.

Bad news travels faster than good news.

"Controlled scientific studies" involve double-blind groups.

That is both the vaccine OR a placebo are given to all participants.
Then, all participants are "observed" by those show are medically trained
to observe for specific symptoms.

Your formulation of a "control group" is not double-blind.
And parents who are observing their children, rarely qualify as
medically trained observers.

Your example does not meet the scientific requirements of a controlled
study.
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Although talking about scientifically controlled studies, and professional
"observation" is a narrow subject, the larger context is HOW a supposition
should be tested, by Christians, to establish if it is TRUE, or demonstrably FALSE,
or still unknowable (in a specific situation, with a given group of data).

This question of how a supposition or opinion may be verified as being
TRUE or FALSE, lies squarely in the philosophical discipline of Epistemology.
SO, it is proper to connect Christians who do NOT know how to test a
proposition, to see if it is TRUE, to a group of people who do not have the
ability to do complex problem-solving. (I assert that THIS is the core question
in the current debte over what "causes" autism.)

** As I have mentioned, there is a great difference between correlation,
and causation. This is a topic which, unfortunately, is not given enough
emphasis by those who are teaching courses in formal (deductive) logic.
 
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For 2PhiloVoid...

Your latest post includes multiple topics.

Regarding your comments on a philosophical worldview (you were clear that
you did not want anyone to push THEIR worldview on you), I have always held
the position that Christians SHOULD get involved in debating the "philosophical
primitives". AND, I have rejected philosophical worldviews that were logically
incoherent, and openly said that Christians should not hold these worldviews.

BUT, when I argue moral-ethical ought, (which DOES impact our individual
worldview), I argue this from the overall picture of "our shared reality" that the
Scriptures present to us. What the Scriptures present, IS morally-ethically
binding on all the worldviews that ALL Christians may happen to hold.

I have no wish to push a specific worldview on any other Christian. And I
do not build my "philosophical worldview" on my personal preferences.
 
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"Controlled scientific studies" involve double-blind groups.
yes i know. life is hard, and expensive.

and truth is even harder.

as i said in my post, some say the autism rates are not actually increasing. if we can't determine if autism is even increasing or not then how could we determine if vaccines, or any other prolific chemical is the cause? -if the cause is exposure to western modern chemicals in the womb.. then you should find nearly no autism in indigenous tribes. --who also don't get vaccinated. so we'd have to vaccinate them too.. just to be sure.
 
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as i said in my post, some say the autism rates are not actually increasing. if we can't determine if autism is even increasing or not then how could we determine if vaccines, or any other prolific chemical is the cause? -if the cause is exposure to western modern chemicals in the womb.. then you should find nearly no autism in indigenous tribes. --who also don't get vaccinated. so we'd have to vaccinate them too.. just to be sure.
I have reflected hard on this very question. IMHO there is clear evidence that the spectrum has always been with us. I would especially point to some of the "interesting characters" that have emerged as genius's in 20th century history. Especially the ones who can look straight into raw data and make astounding connections (Alan Turing et al) who struggled greatly to 'fit in' with 'ordinary' society.
But, what I know for sure, is that society has changed. Back in the day, in the mining village, all the boys over 11/12/14/16 would be out on the road at 6AM walking to the coal mine, to dig coal for 12 hours. Any boy who said "I don't want to get up" would be lucky if they would simply not be fed. In other words, I am saying that modern society is nowhere near as physically brutal with boys / young men to make them conform to "community norms" as we used to be. I am old enough to remember authority figures picking up disrespectful young men by the throat... :-<
 
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I am old enough to remember authority figures picking up disrespectful young men by the throat... :-<
I was in the usmc in 2006 to 11.

Some of the drill instructors spoke of a prior time when such things were permitted ... And they weren't saying this to boast about it but to warn us that you are the next generation. Do not get soft on the next generation.
 
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I was in the usmc in 2006 to 11.

Some of the drill instructors spoke of a prior time when such things were permitted ... And they weren't saying this to boast about it but to warn us that you are the next generation. Do not get soft on the next generation.
I was an Army Cadet Instructor briefly in the late 80s. The unit was run by Māori (Dept of Education) truancy officers who were veterans of Malaya, Borneo and Vietnam. They had retired from the NZ Army and Education insightfully saw these as the guys to grab tough young Māori truants and put them back on the straight and narrow. The CO literally dragged one Māori truant into parade by the ear saying "you will give this a go, or I will tell your father where I found you (a Police Station. Wisely, the cops chose not to ring Dad...). Anyways, 10 minutes later, inaudible backchat from the truant. Pow! The warrior Chieftan instantly lifts the 15-year-old truant off the ground with one arm, by the throat, and holds him there for a few seconds. Every European present instantly looked away saying "I did not see that!!!' Every Polynesian present looked on, saying "I really did just see that!'....
 
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As this article brings out, there are a lot of strong beliefs about
autism, and some of them are not politely presented, publicly.

BUT, for Christians, parents should know that the "spectrum" of symptoms
associated with autism are complex, and need a lot more research. And this,
at a time when the current administration is bent on slashing research funds,
and heavily de-emphasizing the careful research that American medical
research institutions HAVE DONE.

Much of the resaerch that anti-vaccine parents point to is either
word-of-mouth, or does not meet the rigor of double-blind medical
studies. These types of arguments, do not seem to basically
understand what the modern scientific methodology is (I would
describe this lack of understanding a different way, but my association
of this lack of modern science, and the way I associate it with a dysfunctional
form of Epistemology has been deemed by monitors on this site as being
unacceptable).

We DO need more research on autism. But pursuing poorly designed studies
that do not follow the rigorous medical methodology of double-blind studies,
is NOT the answer.
 
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As this article brings out, there are a lot of strong beliefs about
autism, and some of them are not politely presented, publicly.
My sincere apologies if I have offended you. But, for the purposes of the discussion I have pointed to a massive change in culture that has occurred simultaneous with the emergence of modern autism. I point to our physically brutal past, which many would prefer to say silent on. I do not want to go back to it. Exodus 21:17 :-<. It was always with us... We are brutal savages, intolerant of difference. It is just our weapons that change with the passing decades, not our nature. We have progressed from rocks and clubs to medications and online bullying...
 
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