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Is the Word of God Feminine?
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I was actually talking about how the teachings and church has been feminised and its destroying the church. It is about egalitarian feminism. That is the most prolific and dangerous ideology of modern society that undermines the church because it politicises faith and the teachings.
It seeks to neutralise our natural God given differences and the representstion of Christ in marriage and the church as well as the doctrine of submission that Pter teaches. To the egalitarian submission is a trigger as no one submits when people are their own Gods with rights over all else even biblical truths.
WE don't enforce this. Gods ecalration of our fallen state is something now in us. Women still experience pain in childbirth and men still rule over women. Paul refers back to this and so does Jesus. Paul mentions that it is because Adam was created frist and because Eve was decieved and not Adam that women cannot have authority over men in the church as teachers and protectors of the church. THis also applies to the home. This is Gods order for marriage.
Peter talks about submission and how though we are one in Christ the body of Christ is made up of various relationships of submission. Peter calls for slaves to submit o masters, wifes to husbands and everyone to the government. He cites Christs example in remaining quiet and though innocent subjected Himself in obedience to His father.
Actually a man should treat His wife in how Christ as groom treats the church. That is sacrifical love. In this is everything as we know in Christ and no greater act. In return wives are to submit to their husbands just as Sarah did to Abraham as Paul also refers to as a good example.
God does not deny our natural differences and He uses them in relationship to the GOdhead and body of CHrist. These relationships just like Christ as man submitted to His father and died for the church to make her spotless are all part of being able to achieve oneness in Christ. Without thenm the whole mystery of Christs representation in marriage and the church and submission Paul talks about is lost.
Yes both are vital. We see this in Christ reference to marriage in that God create us man and women and that a man will leave his parents and become oneflesh with His wife. Two unique yet with same image of God becoming one. Each part important to make up the whole.
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You really need to do some study on everlasting father. A better translation for "father" is progenitor. Don't try to make a biblical point of a word without going to the Original Language, reading several commentaries on the Original Language passage, and run it by serious bible students. That would be a minimum.
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Jesus is as written.
Isaiah prophesied that Jesus would be called the "Everlasting Father" in Isaiah 9:6, which reads, "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." 5
The title "Everlasting Father" is often seen as challenging to understand because it refers to Jesus, who is typically identified as the Son in the Trinity. However, the term emphasizes Jesus' eternal nature and his role as the source of eternal life and fatherhood in a spiritual sense. 234
In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus confirms that he fulfills this prophecy, but this does not imply that he is God the Father. Instead, it highlights his unique role and divine nature.
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Is it really important? God is beyond our understanding… don’t try to analyze His/Her nature. He’s/ She s Love to whom we worship and give praise. That’s what only matters.Hi
I Think the "the word" of G'd to be feminine in nature based on various passages of the bible.
It also makes more sense to have a female aspect within the trinity given the claim that humans
are made in the image of G'd.
Lets start with Proverbs 8:22-31. In the book of Proverbs we encounter the character of Wisdom.
throughout the text we read that this character is feminine in nature and that it was with G'd from
the beginning of creation.
In my opinion this character of Wisdom is the same as the Logos of John, for and through which everything was created.
This Wisdom became flesh and dwelled among us through the body of Jesus, the messiah.
What do you think?
Is the Logos feminine or masculine in nature?
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Hi
I Think the "the word" of G'd to be feminine in nature based on various passages of the bible.
It also makes more sense to have a female aspect within the trinity given the claim that humans
are made in the image of G'd.
Lets start with Proverbs 8:22-31. In the book of Proverbs we encounter the character of Wisdom.
throughout the text we read that this character is feminine in nature and that it was with G'd from
the beginning of creation.
In my opinion this character of Wisdom is the same as the Logos of John, for and through which everything was created.
This Wisdom became flesh and dwelled among us through the body of Jesus, the messiah.
What do you think?
Is the Logos feminine or masculine in nature?
I want to get something out of the way first before addressing the "feminine" and "masculine" question:
The Divine Logos, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, is Jesus Christ.
This means that the Logos didn't just put on human skin, and the result of that is Jesus. When Scripture says the Logos became flesh the term we use for this is "Incarnation", literally "in-flesh-ment" but this is a lot more than just the Logos wearing a human body (such an idea corresponds to an ancient theological error known as Apollinarianism). When the ancient Church met together at Nicea to address the growing error of Arianism, they were chiefly focused on emphasizing that Jesus, as the Son and Logos, was truly and entirely God, the same Being as the Father because He is of the Father's own Being or Essence. But they also stressed that Jesus was human, so they wrote in the Creed that He (the Son and Logos) for us and for our salvation came down, and became flesh, and became human, suffered, and rose again on the third day
In Greek:
κατελθόντα καὶ σαρκωθέντα καὶ ἐνανθρωπήσαντα παθόντα καὶ ἀναστάντα τῇ τρίτῃ ἡμέρᾳ,
"came down and flesh-became and in-humanity-ed, suffered and raised up on the third day"
The Second Person of the Trinity, the Logos, the only-begotten Son of the Father, did not merely "put on" a human body, rather the Son came down (being conceived and born of the Virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit) having been made flesh, made human, and thus the Son and Logos being human, having human flesh, could--and did--suffer, He suffered the agony of the cross, and He also was raised up, bodily, on the third day. He ascended, and is seated--as God and man--at the right hand of the Father in glory.
This is not the Logos taking a body, this is the Divine Logos, the only-begotten Son of the Father--God of God--being united to humanity, having the essence, the being of human.
I mentioned the ancient error of Apollinarianism. Apollinarianism is a heretical view which was put forward by its chief proponent: Apollinarius, who suggested and taught that the Logos took a human body, but that Jesus did not have a human soul; and thus the Logos was for Jesus what the human soul is for human beings. Early Christian theologians recognized, quite immediately, the problem with this; it fundamentally denied that the Logos enanthroponanta, was in-humanity-ed. Actually partook, shared in, and was and had the essence of what it means to be really, actually human. In defense of Jesus being really and fully human, St. Gregory of Nazianzus wrote one of the best arguments against Apollinarius by saying, "What is not assumed is not healed". That is, by the union of our humanity to His Deity, Jesus is our Savior, and heals--by His life, death, and resurrection--everything we are; if there is a way in which Jesus was not human, then that means our very salvation is put into doubt. Because it is only by the union of our humanity to His Divinity, in His very Person, through His life, death, and resurrection that we have salvation, the great gift of new life from God by His grace.
Thus the Logos is human. The Divine, Uncreated, Eternal Word--God Himself--is human. A Divine Person was in Mary's womb, a Divine Person ate and drank with sinners, tax collectors, and prostitutes. It was a Divine Person who healed the sick and cured the blind and made the lame to walk; it was a Divine Person that was nailed to a cross, who bled, whose flesh was pierced. Because that Divine Person became, was, and is really, truly, fully, and entirely human--just like you and me.
With that established, let's get back to the "feminine"/"masculine" question.
In the most basic and simplest answer, no, the Word is not feminine. But He isn't "masculine" either; or rather, He is neither male nor female. The Divine Essence, God in His Eternal Being, is sexless. Sex is a biological category applied to material creatures which engage in sexual reproduction, and involves producing gamete cells which, through the reproductive act--sex--fuse together to create a new individual organism that carries on the genetic material of its parents. In simple language: Man and woman get married, have sex, and make children. We simply cannot ascribe that to the Divine Essence, to God's Being.
With that said, biblical language almost always uses masculine gendered language to speak about God. This is not because God is "male", but it is the way which the divinely inspired biblical writers wrote and conveyed God's revelation of Himself to us in history. And, further, when God became human, at the Incarnation, it is very obvious and very clear that Jesus Christ is Himself a human male.
Further, He--the Divine Logos--is the Divine Son, the Eternal Son, the Uncreated Son, only-begotten Son, of the Father. That is WHO He is in reation to His Father.
So the Word is not feminine nor female; He is, however, spoken about in chiefly masculine language because 1) that is the gendered language of biblical revelation in talking about God, and that includes the Son and 2) and He is as Logos Ensarkos--Incarnate Word--the human male Child of Mary.
He is Himself.
This does not mean, as said already, that God is male. He obviously isn't male, for reasons already established and, we should add, human beings both male and female are both, equally, created in the Divine Image. Women bear the Divine Image of God no less, and no differently, than men do.
But it does mean that He is not feminine. I wouldn't say He is "masculine" either, except that the divinely inspired gendered language as contained in divine revelation and received by God's Faithful down through the ages does, consistently, utilize the masculine. God in His Being isn't gendered; but we, because He has met us and spoken to us, say what He has revealed to us--and so we say He, Him. God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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The Trinity, the Incarnation, and the Hypostatic Union are central doctrinal tenets of the Christian religion. Faithful Christian people have suffered for their faith in these sacred truths. The Church has, for two thousand years, forged its identity as the Christ-bearing people of God on the basis of the truth of these things.
So yes, they matter. They matter a lot.
The ancient question once posed is as relevant today as it was then, "Who do you say that I am?"
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All these beliefs are within the Christian position. If they are not recognised and even practiced then there is something missing in the worship because the diciples especially Paul tell us that all these things should be present. That some may not place as much emphasis on them or apply them differently doesn't mean they deny their truth.
Like Christmas time and the birth of Christ. All Christians recognise this as a significant event in our history. The Old Testament prophesy mentions this. Some may have a quiet service and others may have a more public celebration. But they all celebrate in their own way the birth of Christ.
As for prophesy, tongues, and other gifts of the spirit these are mentioned by Paul as being real happenings in the church of Christ because the spirit of God is alive.
1 Corinthians 14:5
I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
So some will speak in tongues in all Christian denominations. If its missing then so is the spirit of God in that regard. It is a gift we should expect in any Christian denomination according to how the church was to be organised according to the teachings.
The idea of head coverings has been gradually phased out as being outdated. But the idea that women were to be quiet and submissive to the authority of the church was the basis for head coverings. So the principle still lived on in many churches even though women no longer covered their heads.
But in some ways this teaching is fundemental and that by rationalising it away due to modern sensibilities has in some cases led to the elevation of women over men in the teachings. Such as women priests. So in some ways like other rituals such as the sacrements these symbolic practices were a protection against the inclination to undermine Gods order for the church.
In that sense all churches that uphold the teachings that underpin why women were to cover their heads such as disallowing women priests are actually in line with biblical truth. So those who disagree and allow women priest or the feminisation of the church and God are actually wrong. Its not a legitimate opinion of belief to have that could be considered as you said a valid and different way to worship.
This is conflating false beliefs and teachings as being valid alternative beliefs for the church and Christianity when they are not. When there is a different belief position on important Christian truths in the teachings its not a case that Christianity and the church can have alternative views.
There is only one and it is Gods law and order and the teachings from Christ to the diciples and the diciples to the early church in how to organise and structure itself according to the teachings.
Christs promise that He gives us life in abundence is a truth of Christianity. all Christians must believe this as being truth in their life no matter how they percieve it as happening. Works and faith are both valid. But first it is faith and this is a universal. That some say that works is more important doesn't deny faith. That someone says its faith doesn't deny there are works.
The bible actually says faith without works is dead. So when we look at it all Christians unless specifically denying the truth altogether are on the same page on the core truths of the teachings.
Those who don't like the denominations who allow women priests and God to be feminised, allow abortion, SSM, deny the hypostatic union or works altogether or only works or the ability of the holy spirit to cause people to speak in tongues are denying the truth of the teachings. Therefore are not alternative Christian views or beliefs but false teachings.
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The Greek word for "father" is πατήρ (father). It means "father," and is in fact cognate with the English word.
The Hebrew word is 'āḇ. Because it is contrasted with "mother" in verses like Gen 2:24, it also clearly means 'father."
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The Logos (Word) is called the Son, and became incarnate as a human male. He is not "feminine."
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Like most words, father has multiple nuances in Greek, such as nourisher, protector, upholder, the progenitor of a people, and many more.
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This is very intersting
Where to start.Its weird to me as humanity (male and female) is formed in the image of G'd (Father and Word), that this duality is not a reflection of G'ds nature itself.
Like Eve being the mother of the living contrasting the word in which is life the light of humanity.
There are clearly male and female aspects within the Godhead... right?
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Feminising G'd? Abortion, SSM? What are you talking about.
The reason why i created this tread is because duality is seen in everything. If G'd said that G'd created us in a specific way (Which is in G'ds image) then the Male and Female within humanity reflects something of G'ds nature. Humanity like G'd doesnt have a literal sex, i know. But the individuals within G'd and humanity obviously have male and female roles.
And speaking on celebrations, those where never commanded by Jesus himself in the gospels. Jesus told ya guys and gals to pray when know one is watching, even going as far in stating what you should pray.
Worship is not in the celebrations, worshipping Jesus by undestanding his command and living by them.
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Neither.Hi
I Think the "the word" of G'd to be feminine in nature based on various passages of the bible.
It also makes more sense to have a female aspect within the trinity given the claim that humans
are made in the image of G'd.
Lets start with Proverbs 8:22-31. In the book of Proverbs we encounter the character of Wisdom.
throughout the text we read that this character is feminine in nature and that it was with G'd from
the beginning of creation.
In my opinion this character of Wisdom is the same as the Logos of John, for and through which everything was created.
This Wisdom became flesh and dwelled among us through the body of Jesus, the messiah.
What do you think?
Is the Logos feminine or masculine in nature?
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