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Trump voters, are you happy now?
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I just go with Communist and Fascist. It's easier to sort that way these days.
We're all liberal these days anyway; but some want the emphasis on personal equality and equity enforced by the government, while others would rather place their emphasis upon individual rights apart from the government's interventions. Neither of these position has to be seen as extremist.
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He got 70 countries to come to the table. That's not exactly backing down.
The end game was always China and that's who the trade war is with now
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Yes when you bully smaller countries they tend to just give in.
Russia understands this well.
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Most countries have agreed to negotiate, he doesn't need to keep the tariffs on for now.
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Trump had a good teacher, though getting Zimbabwe to come to heel sounds like a more South African goal.
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LOL.
Republicans had long opposed tariffs. Ronald Reagan said high tariffs cause markets to collapse. And Libertarians loathe tariffs.
And so, Republicans hated tariffs. Then Trump called tariffs the most beautiful word in the world. All of a sudden tariff are good.
Then Trump retracts the tariff, and people suddenly have all kinds of reasons why we don't need tariffs now after all.
Is there anything that Dear Leader could do, and the people here would say, "That was stupid"? Or will you all just make up reasons to justify anything he does?
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It appears that you haven't learned that today's Republicans have changed greatly than the globalists Republicans that you appear to remember from decades ago. Most of today's Republicans are America First when compared to they way that the party used to be with the establishment ruling class globalists. Sadly, it looks like to me that the globalists of the establishment ruling class appear to be best represented by the leaders of the Democratic Party.
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He’s done a lot of stupid things (mainly in 2020) I’m waiting to see how this plays out before I say if he is right or his critics are right. He is not my dear leader and I didn’t vote for him but I am waiting to see how things work out before calling tariffs stupid (He said some things he shouldn’t have yesterday but he always does that)
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That is an interesting response.
I made a post condemning tribalism, which is the practice of blindly following the tribe and the leader of the tribe without thinking for one's self.
You responded with a post that looks to me like tribalism. (It's us vs them. Us good. Them bad.)
And what about Reagan's cogent argument against tariffs that I linked to? You wave it aside, since Reagan is not in your tribe.
Wait, what? Reagan is not in your tribe? I never saw that one coming.
If you disagree with Reagan, then please tell us what his argument is and why you disagree. Don't just pass it off because Reagan is not in the America First tribe.
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Putting Reagan outside the "America First" tribe just shows how self-dealing and incoherent the right-wing ideologues have become. Reagan rose to prominence as a crusader that supported blacklisting his fellow actors in Hollywood for even getting a whiff of Communism. He ran as president by selling people on a nostalgic American nationalism based on military strength.
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Despite what you appear to think, my post wasn't about tribalism. What I was doing was attempting to briefly point out the ways that the GOP has changed since the days of one of my favorite presidents, Ronald Reagan. But, if President Reagan were alive today, I believe that he would firmly be standing with the current beliefs of the majority of the Republican party. In fact, President Ronald Reagan's beliefs and policies were the precursor to what President Trump and the majority of the GOP stand for today.
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Who is putting Reagan outside of America First? Do you have any examples other than @doubtingmerle ?
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Contrasting the older Republican establishment as "globalist", vs. the current crop who are supposedly real "America First" patriots is self-dealing and incoherent.
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When you look back at at George H.W. Bush and his new world order there may be some truth to what @Vambram said, but the only people that I have seen bringing up Reagan and tariffs besides @doubtingmerle are the Chinese government
China uses Ronald Reagan's 1987 speech to criticize Trump's tariffs
The Chinese Embassy has shared a clip of the iconic Republican criticizing tariffs, saying his words have "new relevance" amid Trump's global levies.
www.newsweek.com
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