• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

As Legacy Media Freaks Over 1 DOGE Employee Getting IRS Access, We Learn Biden Gave 919 People Access

Valletta

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2020
14,694
6,324
Minnesota
✟399,411.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
If you say so, but if the Trump Administration resorts to illegal methods, we'll know where the corruption is.
We have seen the laws of this nation, specifically our border laws, and our Constitution violated like never before. Judges and DAs have violated their oaths of office. The effort now is to return to a Constitutional government. There still is an amazing anti-Constitutional attitude within this country, Marxist driven, with some of these federal judges thinking they should run the executive branch. So too we have had Congress pass bills without reading what is in those bills (remember Nancy Pelosi) and they think their politically aligned minions employed in the executive branch should spend the money as those bureacrats wish. The powers of the judiciary and Congress are not limitless. The president of the United States has the power to hire and fire who he wishes in the executive branch, and to reveal to the American people where their money is being spent. As I've stated before, President Trump can be expected to follow judiciary rulings of a temporary nature, rulings that may pause actions taken by him even though the actions are well within his duties. But once courts start seriously interfering in his Constitutional powers he has a duty to ignore such rulings. These judges will not be allowed to violate the Constitution in an attempt to usurp the power of the president.
 
  • Wow
Reactions: DaisyDay
Upvote 0

essentialsaltes

Fact-Based Lifeform
Oct 17, 2011
49,217
51,549
Los Angeles Area
✟1,146,650.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)
But once courts start seriously interfering in his Constitutional powers he has a duty to ignore such rulings. These judges will not be allowed to violate the Constitution in an attempt to usurp the power of the president.
No, just no. The judiciary determines what is and isn't constitutional.
 
Upvote 0

Valletta

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2020
14,694
6,324
Minnesota
✟399,411.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
No, just no. The judiciary determines what is and isn't constitutional.
They cannot usurp the power of the president or Congress, there are checks and balances in our Constitution. The people have a duty not to allow it.
 
Upvote 0

Pommer

Future History Slab Carver
Sep 13, 2008
25,655
15,576
Earth
✟310,924.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Democrat
We have seen the laws of this nation, specifically our border laws, and our Constitution violated like never before. Judges and DAs have violated their oaths of office. The effort now is to return to a Constitutional government. There still is an amazing anti-Constitutional attitude within this country, Marxist driven, with some of these federal judges thinking they should run the executive branch. So too we have had Congress pass bills without reading what is in those bills (remember Nancy Pelosi) and they think their politically aligned minions employed in the executive branch should spend the money as those bureacrats wish. The powers of the judiciary and Congress are not limitless. The president of the United States has the power to hire and fire who he wishes in the executive branch, and to reveal to the American people where their money is being spent. As I've stated before, President Trump can be expected to follow judiciary rulings of a temporary nature, rulings that may pause actions taken by him even though the actions are well within his duties. But once courts start seriously interfering in his Constitutional powers he has a duty to ignore such rulings. These judges will not be allowed to violate the Constitution in an attempt to usurp the power of the president.
That’s quite the soapbox.
 
Upvote 0

DaisyDay

I Did Nothing Wrong!! ~~Team Deep State
Jan 7, 2003
44,544
21,650
Finger Lakes
✟383,222.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Unitarian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
We have seen the laws of this nation, specifically our border laws, and our Constitution violated like never before.
Vote for a felon and get lawlessness. Not a surprise.
Judges and DAs have violated their oaths of office.
We have procedures for dealing with that. However, please note that their oaths of office are to the office and to the laws, not to the president.
The effort now is to return to a Constitutional government.
No, that is what is being demolished.
There still is an amazing anti-Constitutional attitude within this country, Marxist driven, with some of these federal judges thinking they should run the executive branch.
No, the Judicial Branch oversees the other branches to keep them acting within the Constitution and within the laws made by Congress.
So too we have had Congress pass bills without reading what is in those bills (remember Nancy Pelosi) and they think their politically aligned minions employed in the executive branch should spend the money as those bureacrats wish.
Yes, Congress makes the laws and the Executive carries them out. The bureaucrats are tasked with carrying out the day to day implementing rules, laws, regulations, etc. - not as they wish but according to their jobs.
The powers of the judiciary and Congress are not limitless.
True - their powers are spelled out in the Constitution.
The president of the United States has the power to hire and fire who he wishes in the executive branch, and to reveal to the American people where their money is being spent.
The president does not have absolute hiring and firing power even within the Executive branch as Congress has put certain hiring and firing protocols in place, such as civil service protections. No one is complaining about the president revealing where their money is spent, but they are complaining about lies and incompetence in his "revelations".
As I've stated before, President Trump can be expected to follow judiciary rulings of a temporary nature, rulings that may pause actions taken by him even though the actions are well within his duties. But once courts start seriously interfering in his Constitutional powers he has a duty to ignore such rulings. These judges will not be allowed to violate the Constitution in an attempt to usurp the power of the president.
You have stated alternate "facts". The president is expected to follow the laws made by Congress and determined constitutional by the judiciary. Any president that does not obey the laws is subject to impeachment, removal from office.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Hans Blaster
Upvote 0

RocksInMyHead

God is innocent; Noah built on a floodplain!
Site Supporter
May 12, 2011
10,687
11,457
PA
✟526,443.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
They cannot usurp the power of the president or Congress, there are checks and balances in our Constitution. The people have a duty not to allow it.
The checks and balances on the Judicial branch are the President's (Executive branch) appointment power for the Supreme Court, Appeals Courts, and District Courts and Congress's (Legislative branch) ability to confirm (or reject) the President's appointments, as well as their ability to impeach any appointed officials (including judges).

Interpreting the law and determining its constitutionality is the sole purview of the Judicial branch. The other two branches cannot simply ignore Judicial decisions that they disagree with.
 
Upvote 0

Valletta

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2020
14,694
6,324
Minnesota
✟399,411.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
The checks and balances on the Judicial branch are the President's (Executive branch) appointment power for the Supreme Court, Appeals Courts, and District Courts and Congress's (Legislative branch) ability to confirm (or reject) the President's appointments, as well as their ability to impeach any appointed officials (including judges).

Interpreting the law and determining its constitutionality is the sole purview of the Judicial branch. The other two branches cannot simply ignore Judicial decisions that they disagree with.
Once many lower court justices decide they should be running the country the president of course can. The power of the judiciary is not limitless, there are checks and balances. We have seen Joe Biden violate the law left and right and there was no question of Constitutionality. The people do not have to put up with their power being usurped.
 
Upvote 0

Valletta

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2020
14,694
6,324
Minnesota
✟399,411.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Vote for a felon and get lawlessness. Not a surprise.

We have procedures for dealing with that. However, please note that their oaths of office are to the office and to the laws, not to the president.

No, that is what is being demolished.

No, the Judicial Branch oversees the other branches to keep them acting within the Constitution and within the laws made by Congress.

Yes, Congress makes the laws and the Executive carries them out. The bureaucrats are tasked with carrying out the day to day implementing rules, laws, regulations, etc. - not as they wish but according to their jobs.

True - their powers are spelled out in the Constitution.

The president does not have absolute hiring and firing power even within the Executive branch as Congress has put certain hiring and firing protocols in place, such as civil service protections. No one is complaining about the president revealing where their money is spent, but they are complaining about lies and incompetence in his "revelations".

You have stated alternate "facts". The president is expected to follow the laws made by Congress and determined constitutional by the judiciary. Any president that does not obey the laws is subject to impeachment, removal from office.
It appears some of these federal judges are realizing that they can be impeached for their conduct.
 
Upvote 0

Pommer

Future History Slab Carver
Sep 13, 2008
25,655
15,576
Earth
✟310,924.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Democrat
Upvote 0

essentialsaltes

Fact-Based Lifeform
Oct 17, 2011
49,217
51,549
Los Angeles Area
✟1,146,650.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)
IRS Lawyers Freak Out Over Illegal Request from DOGE

DOGE presses to check federal benefits payments against IRS tax records

So far, IRS leaders have rebuffed those inquiries, the people said, but acting commissioner Melanie Krause, who took over at the agency Friday night, has indicated she is interested in complying with DOGE’s requests.
I guess she wasn't that interested. Or didn't like people doing it all behind her back. Or didn't want to be left holding the bag when the IRS started breaking federal law.

Who Is Melanie Krause? IRS Commissioner Resigns Over ICE Deal

Melanie Krause, who had served as acting commissioner of the IRS since February, will step down following Monday's signing of a memorandum of agreement between Treasury Secretary Scott Bessentand Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. The deal allows Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to submit names and addresses of undocumented immigrants to the IRS to cross-check them with tax filings, the sources said.

Although Krause participated in early discussions about a possible interagency agreement with DHS, she reportedly did not approve or help draft the final version.

According to CNN, she learned about the final deal through news coverage.

Multiple senior [IRS] staff, including Acting Chief Counsel William Paul, have been removed or resigned, and legal experts have warned that the new data-sharing policy may violate federal confidentiality laws.

A collection of tax law experts for the NYU Tax Law Center said: "It is difficult to see how the IRS could release information to DHS while complying with taxpayer privacy statutes…IRS officials who sign off on data sharing under these circumstances risk breaking the law, which could result in criminal and civil sanctions."
 
Upvote 0

Belk

Senior Member
Site Supporter
Dec 21, 2005
31,417
15,848
Seattle
✟1,327,991.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Married
I guess she wasn't that interested. Or didn't like people doing it all behind her back. Or didn't want to be left holding the bag when the IRS started breaking federal law.

Who Is Melanie Krause? IRS Commissioner Resigns Over ICE Deal

Melanie Krause, who had served as acting commissioner of the IRS since February, will step down following Monday's signing of a memorandum of agreement between Treasury Secretary Scott Bessentand Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. The deal allows Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to submit names and addresses of undocumented immigrants to the IRS to cross-check them with tax filings, the sources said.

Although Krause participated in early discussions about a possible interagency agreement with DHS, she reportedly did not approve or help draft the final version.

According to CNN, she learned about the final deal through news coverage.

Multiple senior [IRS] staff, including Acting Chief Counsel William Paul, have been removed or resigned, and legal experts have warned that the new data-sharing policy may violate federal confidentiality laws.

A collection of tax law experts for the NYU Tax Law Center said: "It is difficult to see how the IRS could release information to DHS while complying with taxpayer privacy statutes…IRS officials who sign off on data sharing under these circumstances risk breaking the law, which could result in criminal and civil sanctions."
I'll hold my breath awaiting those who freaked out over the release of Trumps tax records to care one whit over this.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pommer
Upvote 0