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I agree that people should try to avoid sugar.
I buy All Bran as a cereal as it has no sugar, I buy peanut butter that has no sugar.
Just read the labels on the box.
The problem is, even the stuff that is "lower sugar" by our standards, the UK and Euro counterparts (of the exact same product) have less sugar and fewer additives.

We're never going to get everyone to give up all junk food.

So if there's a cohort of people who insist on eating a tube of pringles and a half gallon of soda every night, it's preferrable that "food vice" only have 600 calories instead of 1100.

I actually did a post on that here a few months back, showing the comparisons between the exact same food products (UK vs. US).

The exact same product in the UK (in many cases) has 40% fewer calories, and 50% less added sugar.
 
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The problem is, even the stuff that is "lower sugar" by our standards, the UK and Euro counterparts (of the exact same product) have less sugar and fewer additives.

We're never going to get everyone to give up all junk food.

So if there's a cohort of people who insist on eating a tube of pringles and a half gallon of soda every night, it's preferrable that "food vice" only have 600 calories instead of 1100.
It's their choice. Not something to be legislated. I don't want a Nanny state.
 
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If eradicated, why are you still rolling out COVID-19 vaccines?
This is idiotic.

Let me explain what happened in NZ maybe this will help.
NZ by the way, is part of planet Earth, and we have travellers that leave NZ and travellers that come into NZ.


When the pandemic first started, Covid had spread pretty much everywhere.
As with most countries, we sent messages to NZer's abroad that NZ will soon go into lockdown and gave them some time to come home.

Once they came home, we did go into lockdown, Both our major right wing and left wing parties were in agreement that this is what should happen, there was no political polarisation.

The government formed a plan, the goal was irradication. We went into lockdown, only essential services continued running. Our infected numbers kept going up for 2 weeks, then they started going down. After a couple of months there were no more infected people. We cautiously came out of lockdown, we still required masks, and social gatherings were restricted to small numbers.

Eventually we realised we were safe. We opened internally everything back up, we no longer needed masks, we could even go to concerts and attend sports at stadiums. We still had a covid count, but that was at the border and not in general population. People could fly into NZ but were required to stay isolated at hotels for 2 weeks. So some covid cases ticked along at a steady (not exponential rate) and there was very little risk in society. At times we had some people sneak out of quarantine and go into general population, this caused much panic and lot of effort to see if the disease had gone into the populus. There was once that the disease got out and Auckland went into lockdown again. The disease was stamped out again and Auckland opened back up.

Eventually the Vaccine was developed and NZ got their hands on it, around a similar time the Omicron variant came, and got into Auckland. Auckland were again on lockdown, but didn't seem to be able to stamp it out. Meanwhile the country was quickly getting vaccinated.
Eventually once a very large percentage of the country got vaccinated, we open up even our international borders, so of course then the disease came in and spread to everyone. But because by then we were vaccinated, our hospitalisation and death rates were much lower than they would have been had we been infected prevaccination.
NZ continued reporting on Covid infections way longer than USA did.
But you will find that what NZ differ on in comparrison to countries that either just let the disease run rampant or those that struggled to contain it in the prevaccine era, is that NZ had a very low Covid deathrate per population.
It is not useful at all to compare our overall infection rates, because as with most countries, pretty much everyone caught Covid sooner or later. Many people caught it multiple times over.
 
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You don't think it's relevant that basically EVERY high-profile person that was telling people that COVID vaccines would stop them from getting infected got infected? Alrighty then.


Now hang on. You just said a few posts back...
Do you understand the difference between "less likely" vs "100% guaranteed immunity"?


Yes, that was you. So you are basically admitting that the vaccine would fail to prevent infections in 100% of people if "everyone" was going to catch COVID.

Not sure what your point is.


So let's stop pretending like vaccination makes it less likely that you're going to get infected when you've already stated that "everyone" is going to catch COVID.
It slows down the exponential rate at which people catch the disease.
One of the major problems faced by countries during the pandemic is the impact all these illnesses had on limited resources of doctors and hospitals etc. It was very important to slow down the rate people were getting sick.


You absolutely did not.
Waste of time talking to you about what happened in NZ, you are not bothering to listen nor to think.
 
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I wish I had known it had been eradicated, then I wouldn't have caught it twice
Did you live in NZ during the prevaccine era of the pandemic?

Or are you just being incredibly silly with your post?
Please engage in thoughtful conversation rather than trolling. Trolling wastes everyone's time.
 
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Did you live in NZ during the prevaccine era of the pandemic?

Or are you just being incredibly silly with your post?
Please engage in thoughtful conversation rather than trolling. Trolling wastes everyone's time.
I was just going by what you posted
 
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Kennedy Turns to a Discredited Vaccine Skeptic for Autism Study

The new analyst, David Geier, has published numerous articles in the medical literature attempting to tie mercury in vaccines to autism. In 2012, state authorities in Maryland found that he had been practicing medicine without a license alongside his father, Mark Geier, who was a doctor at the time.
Maryland authorities also suspended Mark Geier’s medical license following claims that he endangered children with autism and exploited their parents, according to state records.
Federal judges have rejected their research on autism and vaccines as too unreliable to stand up in court.
 
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Why should we have to read food labels? Shouldn't the FDA mandate corporations to at least get all the crud out of our foods? You know, copy EU standards.
You think the government should be telling people how to make rice puffs, how to make cornflakes, how to make weetbix, down to the level of how much sugar, what type of sugar, how much wheat, and whatever other ingrediency people put into these things?

And then when a company invents a new type of food, you think they should get a government representative in to modify their recipe before they are allowed to take it to market?
 
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@stevil said”Stop lying. We did irradicate the disease.”
Oh boy. Do you understand "context"?
Are you going to grab some phrases and take them out of context?
Is this the way you do conversations? Does that work well?
 
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Oh boy. Do you understand "context"?
Are you going to grab some phrases and take them out of context?
Is this the way you do conversations? Does that work well?
It wasn’t the only place you said this. You didn’t specify.
 
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You think the government should be telling people how to make rice puffs, how to make cornflakes, how to make weetbix, down to the level of how much sugar, what type of sugar, how much wheat, and whatever other ingrediency people put into these things?

And then when a company invents a new type of food, you think they should get a government representative in to modify their recipe before they are allowed to take it to market?
But the government should be telling people to take a vaccine even if they don’t want to?
 
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It wasn’t the only place you said this. You didn’t specify.
You weren't reading my posts and weren't incorporating common sense, memory of the conversation context and didn't apply any level of grace. It just seems you launched into trolling.
 
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You weren't reading my posts and weren't incorporating common sense, memory of the conversation context and didn't apply any level of grace. It just seems you launched into trolling.
When someone makes statements that leave themselves open to ridicule they have only themselves to blame when someone notices.
 
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....or get tested weekly or biweekly.
I didn’t have that option, and if the military had it why were so many dismissed?

On August 24, 2021, the Secretary of Defense mandated that all service members receive the COVID-19 vaccine. The Secretary of Defense later rescinded the mandate on January 10, 2023. The vaccine mandate was an unfair, overbroad, and completely unnecessary burden on our service members. Further, the military unjustly discharged those who refused the vaccine, regardless of the years of service given to our Nation, after failing to grant many of them an exemption that they should have received. Federal Government redress of any wrongful dismissals is overdue.
 
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