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Faith leaders gather around Trump to pray in Oval Office: 'incredible day'

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The White House released an image of the faith leaders gathered around Trump in prayer inside the Oval Office​


Faith leaders from across the country visited President Donald Trump in the Oval Office on Wednesday, where they prayed with the commander-in-chief.

The White House posted an image of the leaders gathered in prayer around Trump as he sat at his desk.

William Wolfe, the executive director of the Center for Baptist Leadership, posted the same image.

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1 Timothy 2:1-4 KJV
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
 
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Amen..
All of us, whether we like Trump or not, should be praying for him and our nation... and the world.
I agree. I sincerely pray for Trump and all of our politicians. I would love seeing them transformed into the image of God.
 
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I agree. I sincerely pray for Trump and all of our politicians. I would love seeing them transformed into the image of God.
Amen.
 
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The White House released an image of the faith leaders gathered around Trump in prayer inside the Oval Office​


Faith leaders from across the country visited President Donald Trump in the Oval Office on Wednesday, where they prayed with the commander-in-chief.

The White House posted an image of the leaders gathered in prayer around Trump as he sat at his desk.

William Wolfe, the executive director of the Center for Baptist Leadership, posted the same image.

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I don't know most of these faith leaders, but I do recognize Paula White... and the fact that she is not only there, but the head of the White House Faith Office is troubling to say the least.
 
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I don't know most of these faith leaders, but I do recognize Paula White... and the fact that she is not only there, but the head of the White House Faith Office is troubling to say the least.

It's telling that Trump only associates with clergy prone to superstition and wishful thinking. Anybody morally serious, and he either is indifferent to them or criticizes them.
 
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It's telling that Trump only associates with clergy prone to superstition and wishful thinking. Anybody morally serious, and he either is indifferent to them or criticizes them.
The Paula White association is very bad for sure

but I don't think Trump is particularly interested in Christianity, and is certainly ignorant of dogma, denominations, etc.
 
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The Paula White association is very bad for sure
but I don't think Trump is particularly interested in Christianity, and is certainly ignorant of dogma, denominations, etc.

He grew up with Norman Vincent Peale's teachings, which actually has more than a few things in common with Paula White's version of Pentecostalism. Both involve the elevation of wishful thinking. Psychologists and Protestant mainline clergy back in the 50's and 60's thought NVP was more like a confidence man pushing quack psychology.
 
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What is the message that is intended here?

If the message is that the Christian Church in America stands behind Trump/Trumpism, then we should remember the words of the Prophet Isaiah,

"Hear the word of the Lord,
you rulers of Sodom!
Give ear to the teaching of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices?
says the Lord;
I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
and the fat of well-fed beasts;
I do not delight in the blood of bulls,
or of lambs, or of goats.
'When you come to appear before me,
who has required of you
this trampling of my courts?
Bring no more vain offerings;
incense is an abomination to me.
New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—
I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.
Your new moons and your appointed feasts
my soul hates;
they have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
When you spread out your hands,
I will hide my eyes from you;
even though you make many prayers,
I will not listen;
your hands are full of blood.
Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean;
remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes;
cease to do evil,
learn to do good;
seek justice,
correct oppression;
bring justice to the fatherless,
plead the widow's cause.'
" - Isaiah 1:10-17

-CryptoLutheran
 
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What is the message that is intended here?

If the message is that the Christian Church in America stands behind Trump/Trumpism, then we should remember the words of the Prophet Isaiah,

"Hear the word of the Lord,
you rulers of Sodom!
Give ear to the teaching of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices?
says the Lord;
I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
and the fat of well-fed beasts;
I do not delight in the blood of bulls,
or of lambs, or of goats.
'When you come to appear before me,
who has required of you
this trampling of my courts?
Bring no more vain offerings;
incense is an abomination to me.
New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—
I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.
Your new moons and your appointed feasts
my soul hates;
they have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
When you spread out your hands,
I will hide my eyes from you;
even though you make many prayers,
I will not listen;
your hands are full of blood.
Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean;
remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes;
cease to do evil,
learn to do good;
seek justice,
correct oppression;
bring justice to the fatherless,
plead the widow's cause.'
" - Isaiah 1:10-17

-CryptoLutheran
If you apply this to political entities, the Sodom and Gomorrah part would belong to the other party.
 
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If you apply this to political entities, the Sodom and Gomorrah part would belong to the other party.

The Bible tells you why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it." - Ezekiel 16:49-50

Sound familiar? It's what Isaiah was talking about, and it's the reason why the Prophet uses Sodom and Gomorrah in his prophetic condemnation of Judah,

"Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean;
remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes;
cease to do evil,
learn to do good;
seek justice,
correct oppression;
bring justice to the fatherless,
plead the widow's cause.
"

Both Isaiah and Ezekiel proclaimed condemnation and judgment against Israel, comparing her to Sodom, for the flagrant disregard of just treatment of the poor and the needy.

This isn't about political parties. This is about apostasy in Christ's Church.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The Bible tells you why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it." - Ezekiel 16:49-50

Sound familiar? It's what Isaiah was talking about, and it's the reason why the Prophet uses Sodom and Gomorrah in his prophetic condemnation of Judah,

"Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean;
remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes;
cease to do evil,
learn to do good;
seek justice,
correct oppression;
bring justice to the fatherless,
plead the widow's cause.
"

Both Isaiah and Ezekiel proclaimed condemnation and judgment against Israel, comparing her to Sodom, for the flagrant disregard of just treatment of the poor and the needy.

This isn't about political parties. This is about apostasy in Christ's Church.

-CryptoLutheran
Are you saying the Church isn't currently doing those things?
 
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Are you saying the Church isn't currently doing those things?

There are faithful churches, of course there are. But there is a large vocal predominantly white Evangelical segment of the Christian population that has made its bed with Trumpism.

In the 1930's a similar situation happened in Germany.

Fortunately there was also the Confessing Church, faithful to Christ.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I don't know most of these faith leaders, but I do recognize Paula White... and the fact that she is not only there, but the head of the White House Faith Office is troubling to say the least.
Yup. The question in this world always is: leaders of what faith? Faith into that which Christ the Lord Personally, said, did, and discussed? Or something else: faith into narcissism, "might makes right", self-exaltation, the pursuit of personal happiness, wishful thinking, "the American way"...?
 
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If you apply this to political entities, the Sodom and Gomorrah part would belong to the other party.

The sin of Sodom was neglect of the poor and abuse of foreigners. Which party has a reputation for cutting social services to needy people, advocating tax cuts for the wealthy, and locking up immigrants?
 
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Reducing this to this political party or that political party so fundamentally misses the point that it's tragic.

This is political only in the sense that Elijah and Ahab's issues were political. Yes, it was political when the prophets of Ba'al tried to call down fire but failed, but Elijah called down fire from the One True God--and indeed, fire came. It was political when Moses ascended the mountain, and his brother Aaron, and the people, at the base of the mountain decided, on their own, to make a golden calf and worship it as though it were YHWH.

In the sense that the political and the religious are often impossible to separate, it is political.

But in the same way that it's akin to Elijah and the false prophets of Ba'al, or Aaron capitulating to the demands of the mob to make a golden calf; the heart of the issue is idolatry, false worship, and the central problem of sin in human beings which drives us to abscond with the True God, and turn toward our own false worship.

"These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me."

With lips we declare the praises of God, in many churches worship looks like a vibrant, highly emotional, exciting, loud experience. People may even be moved to dance, or feel deep feelings. And after, they may feel like God was really moving, "you could feel the Spirit" some might say.

I'm sure the people felt really strong feelings when they beheld a golden calf and gave thanks to it as though it were the God who led them out of Egypt. I'm sure the mighty prophets of Ba'al felt very strong feelings, working themselves in a frenzy, to call down fire. I'm sure the Pharisees felt very strongly, had a great religious fervor and zeal, when they used the money that should have gone for taking care of the elderly and instead used it to spruce up the synagogue.

"These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me."

The heart is about the orientation of our whole person. The reason why the Prophet Jeremiah said, "The heart is deceitful above all else, and desperately sick, who can understand it?" he wasn't talking about the emotive; but the deep deep sin that resides in the core of our humanity--a humanity so sick and twisted that it is at its core antithetical to God. The same reason St. Paul writes "There is no on righteous, not even one" and "There is no one who seeks God", quoting the Scriptures that say the same.

The God-oriented heart is about doing things God's way; and the way of God is, as it has always been,

"Cease to do evil, learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the cause of the widow."

Without that, then our worship is not only bad, it is an abomination. It is detestable to God, He finds it abhorrent, it makes Him want to vomit. That's what He said to the Children of Israel, "If you defile the land, it will vomit you out" and it's what He has said to us, "Because you are tepid, neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of My mouth".

This isn't some political pizza topping discussion. This is actually serious.

God will vomit us out, and it doesn't matter how intensely we offer our modern equivelant of burnt offerings is. Without a heart that is bent toward God, that hungers for righteousness, that is broken for the stranger, the immigrant, the oppressed, the widow, the orphan, the poor, the hungry, and all who are in chains--then we are vomit.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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