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Donald Trump Has Issued An Executive Order To Close The Department Of Education. Now What?

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I attend school in Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi in the 70s and 80s and with some discrepancy about the war of southern independence, I turned out fine.

We have proof that the states will be fine without the funding.

Wealthy states like CA or NY use iPads in classrooms, while Alabama, because of lack of funding will use old IBM computers. Eventually, kids from NYC or CA will move to Silicon Valley and become tech entrepreneurs, while kids from Mississippi prefer honest hands-on jobs in thrift stores or grocery stores. They don't need advanced education like those from Ivy League schools.
 
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Clearly, more spending doesn't equate to better education. I don't know what the answer is, but the status quo is the very definition of insanity.

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Clearly, more spending doesn't equate to better education. I don't know what the answer is,
Matthew and Proverbs, Genesis and Psalms. Always Trusting The Creator Jesus,
and rejecting and being on guard against the enemies ways.
 
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Trump says student loans moving to SBA, ‘special needs’ to HHS

President Trump said Friday he is “immediately” moving the handling of federal student loans to the Small Business Administration (SBA), and shifting programs for students with disabilities to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) as his White House seeks to wind down and eventually eliminate the Education Department.

“I’ve decided that the SBA, the Small Business Administration, headed by Kelly Loeffler, will handle will all of the student loan portfolio,”

The move to send student loans to the SBA came the same day the administration announced a 40 percent cut to that agency’s workforce.

“And also, Bobby Kennedy, with the Health and Human Services Department, will be handling special needs and all the nutrition programs and everything else,” he continued.
 
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Promises made--Promises broken!
What happens when the money is returned to the states?
My state (ranked # 47 in Education, I believe) is big into vouchers--and haven't allocated enough money for them.
The "grant" will go to my state, and the money that was spent on disabled children now in public schools (and whose per pupil costs are higher, sometimes substantially higher, based on disability) might now go to vouchers--which, in their first two years, went 95% to comfortable parents who had been sending their children to private schools already.
So we have the scenario. Governor wants vouchers for private schools. Federal block grant needs to help disabled children whose "appropriate education" is required under PL94-141. Federal Title I grant needs to help children who need help in reading and math, and possibly bilingual/ESL education.
The private schools don't want these children with their extra needs and extra costs. So they will be in public schools--and will the Governor do what conscience, decency, morality, and PL94-141 require--and take that federal money and use it for the children for whom it is intended? Or do what lack of conscience, lack of decency, and lack of morality will tempt her to do--use it for her pet program, and who cares about the disabled and educationally needy children?
What about Pell Grants for low-income college students? What about federally guaranteed student loans?
My (state's) governor--I hate to claim the 97% of Arkansas elected officials who don't represent me--or the common good--has decided that what's most important is training the workforce employers want. Welders? Auto mechanics? A bunch of blue collar jobs she says are "well-paid." In Arkansas, well-paid is $40,000 per year--according to her. So will she do what conscience, decency, and morality require her to do and give Pell Grants to both teens who want to go to college and teens who are going to vocational school? Or will she be pushing vocational school so hard that teens feel they don't have a choice?
Her track record for conscience, decency, and morality has not been good so far. Foreign junkets on State police planes, a very expensive Super Bowl skybox trip for the whole fam, a $1900 podium...
or is he keeping his promises because he said he was going to make the federal government smaller. I would say that desolving departments does that.
 
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hehe what I love most about this is, it's like his magickal tariffs on steal/automobiles, even if he COULD completly destroy the DOE today, it would take months/years to have everything switch to states, and there be chaos and confusion during that time, it's not like states are sitting on money and resources and other things the DOE provides.
 
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Trump says student loans moving to SBA, ‘special needs’ to HHS

President Trump said Friday he is “immediately” moving the handling of federal student loans to the Small Business Administration (SBA), and shifting programs for students with disabilities to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) as his White House seeks to wind down and eventually eliminate the Education Department.

“I’ve decided that the SBA, the Small Business Administration, headed by Kelly Loeffler, will handle will all of the student loan portfolio,”

The move to send student loans to the SBA came the same day the administration announced a 40 percent cut to that agency’s workforce.

“And also, Bobby Kennedy, with the Health and Human Services Department, will be handling special needs and all the nutrition programs and everything else,” he continued.
Brilliant!
 
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I'm wondering if all the loan stuff can be handled by the Treasurey Dept. Sadly I think the ED dept. lost its focus on curriculum, textbooks, pedagogical methods, methods of evaluation, teacher training, school design. It should have served as a repository for such.
 
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From your article, the top 20 countries all have universal education systems. In America, we can't even agree on whether Federal government should have Department of Education, let alone a universal education system.
All kids have the opportunity to go to school here in NM; when they don't, it's because of the parent's lazy behinds. I'm sure the government will assist the states when they start their program.
 
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I'm wondering if all the loan stuff can be handled by the Treasurey Dept. Sadly I think the ED dept. lost its focus on curriculum...
The DoEd doesn't set curricula or train teachers.
 
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My state (ranked # 47 in Education, I believe) is big into vouchers--and haven't allocated enough money for them.

Thought that sounded familiar. Are you from Arkansas, too, Miss Fantine? ^_^
 
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I love how the right has spent decades removing budgets from state educations DOE and other things, adding nonsense garbage to the ciriculum and then act surprised when their dumb plans don't work, or more likley work perfectly so they can force in vouchers and such so kids can go to for profit religious schools and such.
 
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Stupidity reigns.

It's all about "Hey, screw 'em! As long as I got mine, and as long as it ticks off anyone of a different opinion, then I support it! WINNING." in America, now.
 
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It's amazing the lack of understanding of what the Dept of Ed is and what it does.

The idea with jettisoning the DofE (I think because I don't know) but the money the DofE used for Pell Grants, funding impoverished schools, making sure kids had a breakfast before school started, and ensuring all kids had an access to education will be turned over to states with block grants. I don't have to tell you how many states ( and you can guess which states ) use that block grant money for something other than it was intended. Hearken back to Kansas where they used the money for other things rather than schools; and they became woefully underfunded. What did they use the money for? Tax cuts of course.
 
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I began disliking the public school system once the Bible was replaced by history and science books and they started teaching the "globe earth" theory.
 
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My favorite Bible studies engage all my emotions, all my critical thinking skills, and relating the teachings making them relevant to the world today.
I think that goes way beyond the words on the page.
 
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My favorite Bible studies engage all my emotions, all my critical thinking skills, and relating the teachings making them relevant to the world today.
I think that goes way beyond the words on the page.
Mine are those found far away from me and not in a public school.
 
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I began disliking the public school system once the Bible was replaced by history and science books and they started teaching the "globe earth" theory.
How close do navy ships get to the ice wall?
 
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How close do navy ships get to the ice wall?

I was once told that I was at McMurdo Station but after taking to the people who really know, they told me it was actually Greenland and the government installed giant electro magnets to have the compass point in the "correct" direction. We had been subject to illuminati mind controlling drugs.
 
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