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I actually have no interest in talking about the flag. It's bizzare that you haven't been able to understand what I was getting at with my post.
You limited the value of the NZ intellect to just cricket, I was then by example limiting the value of your intellect to just the colours of your flag.

IT DOESN"T MATTER WHERE A PERSON COMES FROM WITH REGARDS TO THE VALUE OF THE TOPICS THEY TALK ABOUT!
Unless they're from the right in the USA
 
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As has been pointed out, the alternative to Trump would have been the continuation of Biden's policies which would have literally destroyed our economy. Kamala's policies would have led to a form of communism. There were no perfect choices. If / when the choice is between dog poop or McDonald's, what is a person supposed to choose? Trump is not going to be perfect but America will survive and, in fact, a LOT of good things will happen (they already are). Trump throws ten darts and nine of them are spot-on and one is a miss. Oh well, he isn't perfect and we have the courts and congress. Would it have been better to have elected Kamala and then watched America turn into some godless communism where Christians are persecuted and beheaded?
 

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As has been pointed out, the alternative to Trump would have been the continuation of Biden's policies which would have literally destroyed our economy. Kamala's policies would have led to a form of communism.
Neither Biden nor Kamala have any interest in Communism, they are both proponents of Democratic Capitalism.

Under Biden's administration USA was doing one of the best economic recoveries in the world coming out of the Covid years and with regards to the disruption to the world's economy that the Russia/Ukraine war is having.

However, in a very quick turnaround, in Trump's administration, the stock market is tanking that the GDP forecasts are looking terrible. All due to his drastic threats and implementing of massive tariffs on you most crucial trading allies.
 
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Donald Trump was not a sitting President during his campaign when the collusion is alleged to have occurred and Trump was investigated for obstruction:
The investigation focused on three points:

  1. Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections
  2. Trump associates and their connection to Russian officials and espionage
  3. Possible obstruction of justice by TRUMP and his associates
Doesn't matter. Donald Trump was president when Rod Rosenstein (Republican acting Attorney General) commissioned Robert Mueller as the Special Council to investigate this.

The only reason why Mueller investigated Trump's obstruction activities was because he was trying to find out if someone conspired to help him. Much like when Michael Cohen went to prison. Both him and Trump conspired but Cohen was the only person charged with a crime.
 
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Neither Biden nor Kamala have any interest in Communism, they are both proponents of Democratic Capitalism.

Under Biden's administration USA was doing one of the best economic recoveries in the world coming out of the Covid years and with regards to the disruption to the world's economy that the Russia/Ukraine war is having.

However, in a very quick turnaround, in Trump's administration, the stock market is tanking that the GDP forecasts are looking terrible. All due to his drastic threats and implementing of massive tariffs on you most crucial trading allies.

We will always be able to look back and "thank" Biden/ Harris for the worst inflation in a generation. Also, if they truly were for any form of Capitalism (even liberal rainbow Capitalism), why did they make sure that as many illegal criminals invaded the country as possible? How do you justify making veterans homeless while putting drug dealing rapists up in luxury hotels? Who pays to subsidize the drug dealing and human trafficking? You need a form of socialism and/or communism to accommodate millions of violent illegals draining the system. Another four years of Kamala Harris and we would no longer be living in America.
 

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I don't know how people function in the imperial system, do you guys always keep a calculator handy, does your calculator have buttons for conversion (inches to feet, feet to yards, yards to miles) or do you guys have to memorise that stuff?
Calculators? Phht! Do it you head. Sure you should "memorize" a few things, but it's not any different than memorizing and internalizing the SI prefixes.

The reality is that most everyday things don't require conversions. For example, if we talk about cars and travel we have mpg for fuel economy, miles for distance markers, mph for speed, and fuel sales and tank sizes are in gallons. I'm traveling 75 mph down the highway with a fuel economy of 35 mpg and a 12 gallon tank. I can travel about 380 miles before refueling and it will take about 5.5 hours to run out of gas. Use "km" "liters" and it all still works. (If you really want to mess with us, give fuel economy in liters/100 km. It's not the units, but the inverted meaning that will get us.) No one cares how what the fuel efficiency of your car is in furlongs per cup, so there is no point converting. (Both are 1/8 of the normal units, so the answer is the same number as mpg. In the case of my car about 35 furlongs/cup of gas.)

Cooking and carpentry are the places you are most likely to need to worry about "tricky" math. For cooks it's a really good idea to know how many teaspoons to a tablespoon (3), ounce to a cup (8), cups to a pint (2) pints to a quart (2). For carpentry it's a lot of 2'4" + 5'8" is what? Can I use 1 8' board (No. It is 8'1".) For convenience my tape measure reads both total inches and feet+inches.

And then for precise things like to the millimetre, is there an imperial equivalent or do you do fractions of an inch?

A lot of precision machining and such is in 0.001 inches (about 1/40 of a mm) and has been for a while, but sizes of ordinary things like pipe diameters and nut sizes are given in fractions of an inch (always powers of 2, so 3/8, never 1/3).
 
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Doesn't matter. Donald Trump was president when Rod Rosenstein (Republican acting Attorney General) commissioned Robert Mueller as the Special Council to investigate this.

The only reason why Mueller investigated Trump's obstruction activities was because he was trying to find out if someone conspired to help him. Much like when Michael Cohen went to prison. Both him and Trump conspired but Cohen was the only person charged with a crime.

The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

As far as obstruction, the Mueller report laid out facts on both sides but did not reach a conclusion. Barr’s letter said that “the Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’”

But Barr said that he and Rosenstein "have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense."
 
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The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”
Actually, the report documents where members of the Trump Presidential Campaign did coordinate and communicate with the Russians.
A couple of high profile ones were where Trump Jr and others meet with the Russians in Trump Tower and where Paul Manafort was sharing polling data with the Russians.


As far as obstruction, the Mueller report laid out facts on both sides but did not reach a conclusion. Barr’s letter said that “the Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’”

But Barr said that he and Rosenstein "have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense."
Yes, Barr was a Puppet for Trump. Not really providing independent leadership of the DOJ.
Thankfully declaring widespread voter fraud without evidence, was a step too far for him. He got fired because he wouldn't do that BTW.
 
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Cooking and carpentry are the places you are most likely to need to worry about
Don't get me started on cooking. How much is a pinch, or a splash, or a dash?

LOL, measuring petrol by the cup, what about by the TBL or better yet by the tsp? Sounds like cooking recipes all over again. About time the world removed imperial and random measurements from recipes!
 
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We will always be able to look back and "thank" Biden/ Harris for the worst inflation in a generation.
My father blames Jacinda Ardern for the inflation.
I tend to think it was happening worldwide and was due to Covid and the Russian war, rather than any countries' policies.


Also, if they truly were for any form of Capitalism (even liberal rainbow Capitalism), why did they make sure that as many illegal criminals invaded the country as possible?
OH, boy, watching too much right wing propaganda, or perhaps listing to too much garbage that comes out Trump's mouth.

How do you justify making veterans homeless while putting drug dealing rapists up in luxury hotels?
That sounds like a gem, where did you get that from? Hannity, Tucker??
 
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Many who voted for Trump considered him the least worst candidate. I'd never say he was the best, saying instead that he was the second worst candidate in 2016, 2020, and 2024. I managed to find a better candidate to vote for than the second worst or the worst.
Yes, this. The Democrat party is the reason 77 million people held their noses(well at least a lot of them) and voted for Trump. The Democrat party used to be about the working class, blue collar people, ( I was always a registered Republican)in my younger days.
My parents Democrat party was all about the little guy, the working class. Those days are long gone. Now they are far to the left, and all about the culture wars. This is why many working class people supported Trump. (And no, I'm not a Trump fan.)
And no- I don't like the way the Republican party is going, either.
But-many pro life Christians had to draw the line at a party that carries out live abortions right at their national convention.
So many truly were voting for what they thought was the lesser of two evils.
 

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Don't get me started on cooking. How much is a pinch, or a splash, or a dash?
More than none and less than the smallest measuring device you might use. Might a splash of red wine be about a tsp or 2, probably, but good luck pouring from a wine bottle into a measuring spoon.
LOL, measuring petrol by the cup, what about by the TBL or better yet by the tsp? Sounds like cooking recipes all over again. About time the world removed imperial and random measurements from recipes!
It took 79 cups to fill my tank, but cups, gallons, or liters, the bottom line was the same: $22.
 
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Actually, the report documents where members of the Trump Presidential Campaign did coordinate and communicate with the Russians.
A couple of high profile ones were where Trump Jr and others meet with the Russians in Trump Tower and where Paul Manafort was sharing polling data with the Russians.



Yes, Barr was a Puppet for Trump. Not really providing independent leadership of the DOJ.
Thankfully declaring widespread voter fraud without evidence, was a step too far for him. He got fired because he wouldn't do that BTW.
Meeting a Russian citizen in Trump Tower in a meeting nothing comes out of is not collusion. Also:
The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”
Manafort was convicted of other crimes
On August 21, their fourth day of deliberation, the jury found Manafort guilty on 8 of the 18 felony counts, including five counts of filing false tax returns, two counts of bank fraud, and one count of failing to disclose a foreign bank account.
Not collusion.


But Mueller did not charge or suggest charges for anyone on one of the biggest questions he faced: whether the Trump campaign worked with the Russians to influence the election.
 
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Meeting a Russian citizen in Trump Tower in a meeting nothing comes out of is not collusion.
It is collusion.
The Russian govt gained access to H Clinton's emails via illegal means
The Russians contacted members of the Trump Presidential Campaign promising to provide dirt on H Clinton
Members of the Trump Presidential Campaign met with these Russians at Trump tower hoping to get the dirt.
They did not get the dirt.
Nothing came of it. But the intent was there. The intent to work with the Russians to benefit from the information illegally obtained via the server hack, in order to win the upcoming presidential election.


Also:
The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election,
Yes, this is true.
but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”
This is not true. The Mueller report documents where the coordination happened, e.g. Trump tower meeting and sharing of polling data.

Manafort was convicted of other crimes
This is irrelevant.
You have not addressed whether you think Paul sharing polling data with the Russians is coordinating with the Russians in order to win the upcoming presidential election.

But Mueller did not charge or suggest charges for anyone on one of the biggest questions he faced: whether the Trump campaign worked with the Russians to influence the election.
Yes, Mueller determined he didn't have a strong case for criminality even though he had evidence of coordination and collaboration.
 
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It is collusion.
The Russian govt gained access to H Clinton's emails via illegal means
The Russians contacted members of the Trump Presidential Campaign promising to provide dirt on H Clinton
Members of the Trump Presidential Campaign met with these Russians at Trump tower hoping to get the dirt.
They did not get the dirt.
Nothing came of it. But the intent was there. The intent to work with the Russians to benefit from the information illegally obtained via the server hack, in order to win the upcoming presidential election.



Yes, this is true.

This is not true. The Mueller report documents where the coordination happened, e.g. Trump tower meeting and sharing of polling data.


This is irrelevant.
You have not addressed whether you think Paul sharing polling data with the Russians is coordinating with the Russians in order to win the upcoming presidential election.


Yes, Mueller determined he didn't have a strong case for criminality even though he had evidence of coordination and collaboration.
No case, no collusion. Meeting a female Russian citizen in Trump Tower to get opposition research which turned out not to exist is not collusion and evidently neither is sharing polling data.
If there was collusion where is the indictment? Where is the conviction?
You have no case, you are just repeating a left wing talking point

As of July 2017, Robert Mueller, the special counsel of the Department of Justice in charge of Russia-related investigations, was looking into the Trump Tower meeting.[10] The inquiry was confirmed by Kaveladze's attorney, who said special counsel investigators are seeking information from his client.[40] On July 21, 2017, Mueller asked the White House to preserve all documents related to the Russian meeting in June 2016.[104] By August 3, 2017, Mueller had impaneled a grand jury in the District of Columbia that issued subpoenas concerning the meeting.[105] In April 2018, Mueller filed documents with the court that stated that the intended purpose of the raid on Manafort's home in July 2017 was to seek documents related to the Trump Tower meeting.
No charges were filed in relation to the meeting
 
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My father blames Jacinda Ardern for the inflation.
I tend to think it was happening worldwide and was due to Covid and the Russian war, rather than any countries' policies.



OH, boy, watching too much right wing propaganda, or perhaps listing to too much garbage that comes out Trump's mouth.


That sounds like a gem, where did you get that from? Hannity, Tucker??
I saw it happen in my own hometown... and then later both DeSantis and Trump talked about it.
 
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No case, no collusion. Meeting a female Russian citizen in Trump Tower to get opposition research which turned out not to exist is not collusion and evidently neither is sharing polling data.
This is seriously misleading.

The Trump Presidential Campaign didn't commission this lady to do Opposition research.
She was working for the Russian government and had suggested to the Trump team that she had dirt from the illegally obtain emails.


If there was collusion where is the indictment? Where is the conviction?
You have no case, you are just repeating a left wing talking point
Collusion isn't of itself illegal. There are also other factors in play. e.g. did the Trump members know they were doing something illegal and hence willingly break the law, etc.
 
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I saw it happen in my own hometown... and then later both DeSantis and Trump talked about it.
LOL. yes inflation happened. It happened in most countries. Silly Jacinda and her NZ policies.
 
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