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And unfortunately you lost your ability to spell correctly.
I can spell correctly:

C O R R E C T L Y

not that hard. (Though spelling bees are a lot easier with the words typed in front of you.

As for the English, it's bad enough to have to speak their language, we're just glad we don't have to use their spellings or eet thair fuud.
 
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I can spell correctly:

C O R R E C T L Y

not that hard. (Though spelling bees are a lot easier with the words typed in front of you.

As for the English, it's bad enough to have to speak their language, we're just glad we don't have to use their spellings or eet thair fuud.
Thanks, Noah Webster!

-- A2SG, not a fan of steak and kidney pud, but Irish fish and chips, that's good eatin'!
 
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Americans have simply attempted to simplify our butiful and kultured langwage so that it’s ezier to communicate and you furrinners simply don’t get that.
Enjoy spelling words the same way only because “this is the way we’ve always spelled them”, in ‘Merica we do word freedom!
 
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Americans have simply attempted to simplify our butiful and kultured langwage so that it’s ezier to communicate and you furrinners simply don’t get that.
Enjoy spelling words the same way only because “this is the way we’ve always spelled them”, in ‘Merica we do word freedom!
Yeah but, if USA folk like to do things all simple like, then how do we explain them still using the imperial measurement system?
 
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Yeah but, if USA folk like to do things all simple like, then how do we explain them still using the imperial measurement system?
We don't. We use traditional American measuring units. The resemblance to old English units is often just that -- resemblance. For example, in America a "hundredweight" is actually 100 pounds.
 
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Yeah but, if USA folk like to do things all simple like, then how do we explain them still using the imperial measurement system?
The standards are kept in France. ‘Nuff said?
 
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We don't. We use traditional American measuring units. The resemblance to old English units is often just that -- resemblance. For example, in America a "hundredweight" is actually 100 pounds.
Once our betters have decided what sort of Republic we are to become, I’m sure that either the rest of the world will comply to our systems of weight and other measurements or we will become a backwater on the world stage.
It’ll sure be swell when we’re allowed to go to Canada without a passport. Then the USA will totally own the Great (American) Lakes, ensuring our place into the 22nd Century since fresh water will be the new “scarcity” and we’ll have most of it!
(That weather controlling equipment will pay for itself, then!)
 
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We don't. We use traditional American measuring units. The resemblance to old English units is often just that -- resemblance. For example, in America a "hundredweight" is actually 100 pounds.

Can we ditch the American measuring system, which as you say is based on the Imperial system, and switch over to the metric system? It is worth pointing out that most business in the US is already done with the metric system -- both because of trading with the rest of the world, as well as parts we get from foreign trade that we use to assemble products. Just that it switches back to the Imperial system at the retail level, so Americans can continue being confused by how many cups in a quart, how many quarts in a gallon, and how many inches in a foot. ;)
 
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Perhaps the only thing like talking to a right wing USA person is how their flag has three colours
I usually discuss Confederate flags with right-wing Americans, but if you prefer to talk about tricolors, that is fine.
 
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For several years I've been trying to wrap my head around why half of USA love D Trump. Especially the religious half when Trump is not exactly a promoter of Christianity and doesn't live by supposed Christian values of Grace and Charity, and love thy neighbour etc.

Instead Trump is a person who lives to benefit himself. Having been born into extreme wealth and having been given the keys to his father's kingdom, and having been taught by his father to use his wealth and elite connections to his advantage and to not bother himself with the misfortunes of the people that get in his way.

Anyway, for most of us Trump is a despicable entitled elite, burying his opponents in years long and expensive litigation, cheating on his wives, raping a woman and bragging about he can just grab them by their privates, committing financial fraud against banks and the tax department, committing fraud and grifting against his fans.

So why on earth are there people that like him? Even people that say he is the best President ever?

Well, watching Sam Seder in the Jubilee series Surrounded, I think I found the answer.

One of the statements that Sam can up with was
"Unless you're a billionaire, religious fundamentalist, or a xenophobic nationalist, voting for Trump was a mistake"

And listening to the 20 Trump supporters talk on that, we never heard any of them say that they didn't fit into any of those 3 groups.
Instead they were arguing, well what's wrong with being a religious fundamentalist we should be wanting a Christian theocracy where gays don't exist, and one lady was saying that xenophobic nationalism would be great, where White Christian is the dominant culture and all other people should assimilate into that.

I think why it has taken me so long to understand why many of USA love Trump and think he is the best ever, is because I tend to think the best of people, I tend to assume most people are decent and caring and empathetic want a society where free to be themselves, where people are free to practice their religion free from government interference, where different cultures can coexist and people can show an interest in other's differences.

I certainly didn't think many people in a modern free western styled democratic country would want a theocracy or xenophobic nationalism. But I was wrong, this is exactly what half of USA want. They want it, and delight in it so much that they don't really care that Trump is a convicted felon or was found liable for raping a woman, or that he tried to steal the 2020 election through the illegal alternate electors scheme, or that he sent a riled up and angry mob to attack the capital to stop the peaceful transfer of power, or that he pardoned those that physically assaulted the police that smashed doors and windows to get into the capital or those that pled guilty to seditious conspiracy. they don't care that he pardoned his elitist buddy Bannon from stealing from the build a wall fund, they don't care that he extorted the president of Ukraine, that he sides with Putin over the USA intelligence agencies. Don't care. As long as Trump delivers in getting rid of women's rights with abortion, as long as he delivers in removing rights from Trans people, as long as he stops non White Christians from coming into the country and kicks them out.
Personally I don't think they care about Trump pandering to the Elitists billionaires, selling of the government to his donors, getting them to take benefits away from the poor, ripping out environmental protections, giving the wealthy massive tax breaks. They are willing to look the other way as long as they get the Christian theocracy that they want as long as they get a White Christian nation.

That describes Trump's base but the deciding votes actually came from a few key states, and perception of the economy was the main issue. Low-information, minimally engaged, and relatively apolitical people tended to represent the types of voters that swung the election.

Fundamentalist Christians in the US being wedded to the Republican party is nothing new, and form a longstanding part of the GOP's or Republican party's base coalition.
 
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We are all flawed and that sometimes makes us easily misguided because. The pseudo Christianity that would enthusiastically put man like Trump in office as president is way off the path. Note I said "enthusiastically" . I get it that some people saw him the lesser of two evils and plugged their noses. But the fundamentalist, dominionistic Christian Nationalist machine that pushed him, well, that is just bad theology and spiritual toxicity.

Trump has no real electoral mandate with Christian nationalism to implement anything like that. If he tries to do so, voters are likely going to punish the GOP in the midterms. And Fundamentalist religion isn't popular in the US. Actual Fundamentalist Evangelicals represent no more than 15-20 percent of the US population. They wield tremendous political power as a block, but they are hardly in the majority.

What's more worrying is the sheer cult of personality Trump has built up which is largely apolitical in tone.
 
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There is a difference between collusion vs criminal conspiracy.

Donald Trump as sitting president was never investigated nor criminally charged.
I really do think many people get confused on this matter. Only non D Trump members of the 2016 presidential campaign were investigated and were in jeopardy of any indictments.
Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections

The Robert Mueller special counsel investigation was an investigation into 45th U.S. president Donald Trump regarding Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections and was conducted by special prosecutor Robert Mueller from May 2017 to March 2019. It was also called the Russia investigation, Mueller probe
 
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Can we ditch the American measuring system, which as you say is based on the Imperial system, and switch over to the metric system?
We already have switched to SI derived units. For example, the US inch is legally defined as 25.4 mm (or the equivalent for feet in meters, etc.) and has been since the late 19th century.
It is worth pointing out that most business in the US is already done with the metric system -- both because of trading with the rest of the world, as well as parts we get from foreign trade that we use to assemble products. Just that it switches back to the Imperial system at the retail level,
American not Imperial. Plenty of thing are already "metric" in our retail stores. The standard can of carbonated beverage is 12 fl. oz., but the next two sizes up (I have no idea about those tiny bottles/cans) are 500 ml and 2000 ml. All of the drug doses in the pharmacy are in mg (10 mg pill, 500 mg capsule). Some things even if they changed couldn't change. Standard lumber and pipe sizes would have to stay the same even if the units changed. (I need a 122x244 mm sheet of 19 mm plywood.)
so Americans can continue being confused by how many cups in a quart, how many quarts in a gallon, and how many inches in a foot. ;)
Four, four, and thrice four.

In the early days of the Republic, the first Secretary of State set about to rationalize a "uniform set of weights and measures" as the Constitution requires. The units were rationalized, which is why the fluid quantities (oz, pint, quart, gallon) are all related by powers of two. The "stone" was eliminated and so the "hundredweight" became a round value of 100 pounds instead of 112 pounds (8 stone). The ton stayed 20 hundred weight, so the American ton is 2000 pounds and the British one is larger.

The standardization of a "pint" of beer in Britain to 500 ml (16.9 oz) from the old 20 oz pint was used to argue against both metrification and the EU in GB.

The Secretary of State was a bit of a nerd and also developed the system of coinage, breaking the dollar into 1/10 units (dime), 1/100 units (cent) and 1/1000 units (mil). One of the earliest fully decimal currencies. The US might have gone fully to the new decimal French system of measures with "decimal feet" (10 cm), decimal inches (1cm), decimal yards (100 cm), decimal miles (100,000 cm) but the French went a bit nuts and started dividing the day in to decimal hours and minutes and the calendar with decimal weeks. (Today is the penultimate day of the month of wind, 29 Ventose CCXXXIII.) That was too much French radicalism for the Americans and it did not happen.
 
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Yeah but, if USA folk like to do things all simple like, then how do we explain them still using the imperial measurement system?

Force of habit, I guess.

Quietly, more and more businesses are using metric. Even auto makers. One reason is probably because everything cheap that comes from China is in metric, in one form or another, and despite what MAGA might want to think, our world is getting more interconnected, not less so.
 
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Force of habit, I guess.

Quietly, more and more businesses are using metric. Even auto makers. One reason is probably because everything cheap that comes from China is in metric, in one form or another, and despite what MAGA might want to think, our world is getting more interconnected, not less so.
I don't know how people function in the imperial system, do you guys always keep a calculator handy, does your calculator have buttons for conversion (inches to feet, feet to yards, yards to miles) or do you guys have to memorise that stuff?
And then for precise things like to the millimetre, is there an imperial equivalent or do you do fractions of an inch?
 
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Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections

The Robert Mueller special counsel investigation was an investigation into 45th U.S. president Donald Trump regarding Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections and was conducted by special prosecutor Robert Mueller from May 2017 to March 2019. It was also called the Russia investigation, Mueller probe
That quote isn't correct.

The Mueller Report was titled
"Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election"

But it went further than that. They didn't just investigate Russians.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into:
  • Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 United States presidential election,
  • allegations of conspiracy or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and Russia,
  • allegations of obstruction of justice
Note: the second bullet point is about "Donal Trump's presidential campaign" not Donald Trump himself. Members of his campaign team are included in this. But as we find out in the report Donald Trump himself is excluded from this.

The investigation intentionally took an approach that could not result in a judgment that Trump committed a crime.
This decision was based on an Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinion that a sitting president is immune from criminal prosecution, and Mueller's belief that it would be unfair to accuse the president of a crime even without charging him because he would have no opportunity to clear his name in court

The order authorized you to conduct "the investigation confirmed by then FBI Director James B Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including (1) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.
 
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That quote isn't correct.

The Mueller Report was titled
"Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election"

But it went further than that. They didn't just investigate Russians.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into:
  • Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 United States presidential election,
  • allegations of conspiracy or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and Russia,
  • allegations of obstruction of justice
Note: the second bullet point is about "Donal Trump's presidential campaign" not Donald Trump himself. Members of his campaign team are included in this. But as we find out in the report Donald Trump himself is excluded from this.

The investigation intentionally took an approach that could not result in a judgment that Trump committed a crime.
This decision was based on an Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinion that a sitting president is immune from criminal prosecution, and Mueller's belief that it would be unfair to accuse the president of a crime even without charging him because he would have no opportunity to clear his name in court

The order authorized you to conduct "the investigation confirmed by then FBI Director James B Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including (1) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.
Donald Trump was not a sitting President during his campaign when the collusion is alleged to have occurred and Trump was investigated for obstruction:
The investigation focused on three points:

  1. Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections
  2. Trump associates and their connection to Russian officials and espionage
  3. Possible obstruction of justice by TRUMP and his associates
 
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I usually discuss Confederate flags with right-wing Americans, but if you prefer to talk about tricolors, that is fine.
I actually have no interest in talking about the flag. It's bizzare that you haven't been able to understand what I was getting at with my post.
You limited the value of the NZ intellect to just cricket, I was then by example limiting the value of your intellect to just the colours of your flag.

IT DOESN"T MATTER WHERE A PERSON COMES FROM WITH REGARDS TO THE VALUE OF THE TOPICS THEY TALK ABOUT!
 
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