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It's not entirely clear. The Trump Administration has not fully obeyed some court orders to the consternation of some of the judges.

Most recently, a judge ordered planes carrying Venezuelans to "turn around". They did not.

US deports hundreds of Venezuelans despite court order


Judge scolds Justice Department in tense hearing over deportation orders and demands more details on flights

US District Judge James Boasberg told a DOJ attorney during the tense hearing this afternoon that he wanted the government to submit by tomorrow afternoon answers to a litany of questions about the deportation flights, including the specific times they left US airspace, landed in Central American countries and turned over their occupants to the foreign nations.

The judge also ordered DOJ attorney Abhishek Kambli to explain why he believes that information cannot be shared publicly, as the lawyer claimed in court.

[The judge] summed up the DOJ’s reasoning as: “‘We don’t care, we’ll do what we want.’”
 
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IMO, the authority of chief executive officer of the USA, the Commander in Chief, and the POTUS should not be overridden by a federal district court Judge. IMO, that ability to override the POTUS should only come from Supreme Court judges. IMO, the US Constitution is very clear about this. Otherwise, the will of the people of the USA means very little when compared to judges at the federal district courts.
 

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IMO, the authority of chief executive officer of the USA, the Commander in Chief, and the POTUS should not be overridden by a federal district court Judge. IMO, that ability to override the POTUS should only come from Supreme Court judges. IMO, the US Constitution is very clear about this. Otherwise, the will of the people of the USA means very little when compared to judges at the federal district courts.
It doesn’t matter how this plays out, Trump wins the PR battle either way. If the gang members are ordered to be returned he’ll say the courts and the Democrats are on the side of criminal illegal alien terrorist gang members. If the deportations stand it’s a win for him. He can’t lose
 

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IMO ... IMO ... IMO, the US Constitution is very clear about this.
I realize this is just a stack of opinions, but the Constitution isn't that long. Where is it very clear about this?
 
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IMO, the authority of chief executive officer of the USA, the Commander in Chief, and the POTUS should not be overridden by a federal district court Judge. IMO, that ability to override the POTUS should only come from Supreme Court judges. IMO, the US Constitution is very clear about this. Otherwise, the will of the people of the USA means very little when compared to judges at the federal district courts.
The Constitution does not authorize the President to violate the law, either the Constitution or statutory law. It is in court cases, presided over by judges that violations are adjudicated. The DOJ may demand a jury trial to relieve the TRO and deny an injunction.
 
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The Constitution does not authorize the President to violate the law, either the Constitution or statutory law. It is in court cases, presided over by judges that violations are adjudicated. The DOJ may demand a jury trial to relieve the TRO and deny an injunction.
The President didn't violate the law. He is enforcing the law.
 

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I realize this is just a stack of opinions, but the Constitution isn't that long. Where is it very clear about this?
To me, any logical reading of Articles 1, 2, and 3 of the US Constitution defines and describes the co-equal balance of power between Congress, the POTUS, and the SCOTUS.
 

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No, we are talking about Venezuelans. They have been deported to El Salvador.

He is saying that, in the absence of wartime, the Alien Enemies act cannot be used at all, much less to evade people's due process rights.
We're talking about alleged Venezuelans, who are alleged gang members - there apparently doesn't need to be anything like proof, and no-one's releasing any names, just vanishing people to somewhere between a gulag and an outright black site with no oversight.

If you're not slightly concerned that someone could label you MS-13 and deport you to CECOT without anyone knowing or checking then on your own head be it.
 
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It's rather remarkable how some Americans on these forums are so quick to dismiss "due process". Today, it's the alleged gang member. Tomorrow, it could be you. I, for one, am grateful to have lived in a country where I could rely on our courts to protect my rights. I hope it continues...
 
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There's nothing "alleged" about these Tren de Agua gang members because they don't hide who and what they are.
 
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There's nothing "alleged" about these Tren de Agua gang members because they don't hide who and what they are.
Like the gay Venezuelan tattoo artist that they deported because he has... tattoos?

A Venezuelan asylum seeker has reportedly been deported under the Trump administration’s use of the Alien Enemies Act, a wartime measure last invoked during World War II to intern thousands of Japanese, Italian, and German Americans in concentration camps on U.S. soil, including the infamous Manzanar Camp. The case has inflamed widespread outrage among immigration advocates, who warn that the act is being used to circumvent due process and forcibly remove individuals based on mere accusations.

Lindsay Toczylowski, founder and president of Immigrant Defense, took to social media to detail the troubling case of her client, an LGBTQ tattoo artist from Venezuela who sought asylum in the United States last year. Toczylowski detailed the case in a series of posts on Twitter. Despite having a strong claim to protection, he was detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) upon arrival after officials alleged his tattoos were linked to the Tren de Aragua, a Venezuelan criminal organization.
 
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There's nothing "alleged" about these Tren de Agua gang members because they don't hide who and what they are.

Or evidence of what they have actually done? Or are we following the Salvadoran model of justice?
 
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I would like to use a figurative phrase of speech in my response here to this post. IMO, Mark Levin has forgotten much more about the US Constitution and the Constitutional rule of law than the vast majority of liberals in the USA have ever known.
Gimme a break. He doesn't even know how the court system works.
 
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The President didn't violate the law. He is enforcing the law.
Did the deported persons get their due process? (It doesn't look like it and the WH seems to be rejecting the notion that the court and the deported persons lawyers have the right to know.)

Was the use of the ARA legal for gang members? It doesn't seem so. In which case, the President and his underlings are violating, not enforcing, the law. If they really do want to enforce the law, they have to do so by proper legal procedures authorized by law.
 
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'We're not stopping': Trump officials raise the stakes in showdowns with judges

President Donald Trump and his allies have launched a multipronged attack on the judiciary, punctuated over the weekend by his decision not to comply with a federal judge’s order to halt the deportation of hundreds of Venezuelans to El Salvador.

It was not the first time the two-month-old Trump administration had not complied with a federal court. Judges have said Trump has brushed aside their orders to unfreeze spending on a variety of foreign and domestic programs.

The first instance was on Feb. 10, when a federal judge in Rhode Island blasted the government for having violated his order halting a sweeping federal funding freeze.

[Judge] Boasberg, during a fact-finding hearing on Monday evening, repeatedly asked a government attorney for answers to basic questions about what the administration did to comply with the order. He summarized the government's position as: "We don’t care, we’ll do what we want.”

[Notre Dame Law prof:]
“If a court gives an order and a court has jurisdiction and the party who’s given the order has notice of the order and knows what it means, then if you disobey it, that’s contempt,” he said.

“The administration’s arguments about being outside the territory of the United States and the order being oral rather than written are not good legal arguments."

[ACLU:] "Our country is based on the assumption that there are three equal branches and that the federal court will say what the law is and that the other two branches will adhere to those rulings. Once that ends, we’re in a very different situation in this country; we’re no longer a country based on the rule of law.”

Ilya Somin, a professor at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School ... “If the executive can defy court orders whenever they feel like it, they are essentially not constrained by the Constitution and the laws anymore,” he added. “If they defy court orders and get away with it, they can basically do things that are illegal and there would be no easy way of stopping them.”
 
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Pam Bondi Says Trump Admin. Won’t Comply with Judge’s Ruling on Deportations

“These are foreign terrorists, that the president has identified them, and designated them as such, and we will continue to follow the Alien Enemies Act,” Bondi said on Fox News’s Jesse Watters Primetime on Monday.

“[The judge] can’t do it,” she said, calling the ruling an “intrusion on the president’s authority.”

[Nevertheless, the judge persisted. But so did the Trump Administration]
 
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IMO, the authority of chief executive officer of the USA, the Commander in Chief, and the POTUS should not be overridden by a federal district court Judge. IMO, that ability to override the POTUS should only come from Supreme Court judges. IMO, the US Constitution is very clear about this. Otherwise, the will of the people of the USA means very little when compared to judges at the federal district courts.
Please quote the relevant section that spells this out.
 
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Gimme a break. He doesn't even know how the court system works.
LoL
He knows far more about how the American court system works and how it is supposed to work than anyone on these forums.
 
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