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Trump expected to sign executive order making English the official US language

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If one branch of our government is incompetent to do their Constitutionally determined job, then we have to rely on the other two branches to pick up the short fall?

No.
We demand the deficient branch eliminate their own slack!
Yet the American people keep reelecting the 'slack' into congress. Again, what is the solution? More of the same? Well, there is always the midterms. Perhaps then we may have a new congress that will actually do their jobs and not stand by as Trump makes America great again.
 
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English is a foreign language in the Americas. It is not from here.
A language does not have to be indigenous to be made official. Many former colonies of Britain still have English identified as an official language.
 
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The president could rescind Executive Order 13166, which Requires federal agencies to develop plans to provide language access, including translated documents and interpreters, where needed. That also applies to state and local governments if they receive federal funds (e.g., Medicaid, public housing, voting materials).

Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, color, or national origin in programs receiving federal funds. This has been interpreted by prior administrations as meaning Executive Branch agencies must provide "meaningful access" to individuals with Limited English Proficiency (LEP), often requiring translations of important documents.

The voting Rights Act of 1965 Requires certain jurisdictions to provide bilingual voting materials (ballots, registration forms) if a significant number of voters speak a language other than English.

So, Trump has considerable clear ability to rescind previous Executive Branch Executive Orders and can probably "re-interpret" how to execute those portions of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

The US simply isn't set up to deal with a president who is not acting in good faith.
 
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From here: What Is the Official Language of the USA?.

Contrary to popular belief, the federal government of the United States did not have an official language till 2006. The supremacy of English instead resulted from historical, social, and cultural forces.

The US Senate passed an amendment to the Immigration Law making English the official language of the United States in the summer of 2006.
The Senate passed the amendment, but the broader immigration reform bill failed to pass the House. It did not pass to the White House for the president's signature.
 
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English is a foreign language in the Americas. It is not from here.
Just like Spanish is a foreign in the Americas...? Even though it is the official language of Mexico?

Yes, both languages are native to Europe.
 
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I see nowhere in the Constitution that says the President has the power to set the official language of the country.

Now, congress has the ability to give the president various powers not specified by the Constitution, but is there any law they have passed that grants the president this power?
No, it can't. It can pass laws only within the powers specified by the Constitution.
 
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No, it can't. It can pass laws only within the powers specified by the Constitution.
I mean, obviously congress can't pass a law authorizing the President to do something if the law wasn't exercising congress's specified powers--I did not mention that because I thought it was obvious. But it is undeniable that, if it does fall within one if its powers, it very much can pass a law granting extra power to the President. For example, while all the focus in Trump v. Hawaii was about whether Trump's travel ban violated the First Amendment, there was no dispute that he had the authority to enact a travel ban, given that congress gave the President that power in 8 U.S. Code § 1182(f):

"Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline."

If not for congress passing this law, Trump couldn't have ever enacted any travel ban at all. My point is that for the President to do anything, it either needs to be a constitutional power or a power that congress granted by law.
 
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Not exactly.

German is a very dialect-heavy language. While everyone speaks and understands standard (high) german, many people speak their regional dialect. Those dialects change and shift by region, with some dialects only spoken in a single cities and others slowly morphing into another dialect by kilometers.

In switzerland, Swiss German is in it's many forms is the prevalent dialect. If you turn on TV to watch the news, they speak german. If you approach a swiss person and ask them something in german, they will understand you and easily be able to answer in german. But when they talk to each other and switch to swiss german, it becomes all but incomprehensible to someone only accustomed to german. It's much more extreme than the dialects of, say, bavaria or cologne, where some words might be unclear, but the general meaning is comprehensible.

It's also much more prevalent for swiss people to speak their dialect, while in most parts of germany, the dialects are slowly fading away.
An actual German person responding! Thanks for the input!

What about a person from Germany speaking to a person from Austria in German? Would they be able to understand each other?
 
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Yeah, they have two official languages, this is clearly an incremental move towards such horror.
Well, to be fair (speaking as someone who has family up there -- my Grandpa was actually born in Ontario)

Their "Charter of the French Language" and their special rules that require all of the English speakers to capitulate to the French speakers and accommodate them (with the French speakers not having to reciprocate) was, and still is, actually a very divisive issue up there.


A common shared language is the baseline and bare minimum for any society that hopes to have a snowball's chance in hell of functioning.
 
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250 years without an official language ... now it's an issue.
As of today, around 190 out of 195 countries in the world have an official language recognized by their government. However, a few countries do not have an official language at the national level.
  • United States (English is the de facto language, but not officially recognized at the federal level)
  • United Kingdom (English is the dominant language but not officially declared)
  • Australia (English is widely spoken but not legally official)
  • Sweden (Swedish was only declared official in 2009, but before that, there was no official language)
  • Eritrea (Uses multiple languages without an official designation)

So why exactly is the US joining the other 190 countries that have official languages controversial?
 
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So why exactly is the US joining the other 190 countries that have official languages controversial?
Same reason he wanted the gulf to be American (probably not knowing what America actually is). It's a forced patriotism. Quite ugly in my not-so-humble opinion.
 
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Same reason he wanted the gulf to be American (probably not knowing what America actually is). It's a forced patriotism. Quite ugly in my not-so-humble opinion.
Of the 99 actions by Trump that have me significantly concerned for the future of the Republic, neither that nor designation of English as the official language are among them.
 
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It divides their country, it creates a stronger cultural difference. It is extremely inefficient. Imagine the trouble multiple languages would cause.
Ah yes, the plague of cultural and educational desecration that can only come from a populace generally fluent in two languages.

I remember when I learned French, the very first thing I was told was “now being fluent in one language and functional in another will make everybody think you are stupid and cross-cultural communication will be functionally impossible.” And when I went to France? Let me tell you… Chaos. I’d look at maps and signs that have both English and French… If have no idea what to do. When I saw French in Germany? I went into full vapor lock. And this guy tried to talk to me in German and when I said I knew only English and some French? You’d think that him also knowing some English would have made it easier to communicate, but it didn’t. We just stood there, communicating and understanding each other like morons.

I was going to start learning Spanish, but I don’t know that I can handle being perceived of as dumb enough to communicate in three languages. I have my pride.
 
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Of the 99 actions by Trump that have me significantly concerned for the future of the Republic, neither that nor designation of English as the official language are among them.
Me neither. I'm adding them both to the relatively long list headed 'Petty'.
 
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