Southern Baptists and Once Saved Always Saved

Dan Perez · Feb 19, 2025

Markie Boy said:
All of Jesus' warnings about falling away or apostasy would make no sense, if one could not fall away. Even the parable of the sower states that some "believed for a while, but fell away."

We have free will to choose God. The only way OSAS would work, is if you lost your free will once you choose to believe.

And I have not seen where anyone has FREE WILL and would you please provide a verse ,

Just one verse that PROVES , OSAS is 1 Cor 5:1-5 .

Can anyone explain what verse 5 means , in order that the spirit may be saved in the DAY of the Lord Jesus . MEAN ??

dan p

Michael Snow · Feb 27, 2025

OSAS
The problem is most do not realize that "OSAS" is a modern banner. If it were actually, literally true it would be in agreement with Jesus: he who perseveres to the end will be saved.

But it has been USED by MANY Modern Christians to affirm the eternal salvation of all who make a profession of faith, run to an alter, or even baptized, not matter what they do thereafter. Even Luther affirmed that not all who were baptized were saved, that "unless faith is present or comes to life in baptism, ...it is a stumbling block...for all of our life. "

AKAE777 · Feb 27, 2025

FaithfulPilgrim said:
Greetings! I am a Southern Baptist and attend a Southern Baptist church. Where I live, 90% of the churches are Baptists and all of the churches my parents took me to were Baptist., so growing up, I had a very narrow taste of what Christianity was like and was unaware that there were other kinds of Christians. I was familiar with Mormonism, but never considered them Christian.

I first became aware of denominations when I attended a Seventh Day Adventists private school in the sixth and seventh grade. This is where I started learning about other groups like Adventists, Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, etc.

The SDA taught that you could lose your salvation and eating non-kosher foods would send you to hell. I did make good friends there, though.

I had discussed the differences between Baptists and Adventists with my family and they told me that Baptists believe that you cannot lose your salvation. I was told that if you are saved, you will go to heaven no matter what, and that if you were saved in the past but go on later to commit murder, you would still go to heaven, but God would be upset but keep His promise, or that you were never saved to begin with.

I took this the wrong way and thought it meant that I could sin and it would not really matter, so I started experimenting with other religions such as Buddhism and Deism. Of course, I repented and started to study the Bible more.

To me, it seems that perseverance of saints is biblical as I believe God saves you and it is not of any works you do, and that the true believers hold on until the very end. Eternal security seems to teach that when you are saved, even if you fall away or give up your faith, you will still be saved and still go to heaven.

Southern Baptists believe salvation is through faith alone, but they do believe good works are important. They are a result of salvation, and a true believer will have a changed lifestyle as evidence that his repentance is sincere. They also teach that if you sin willingly or show no change after claiming to be saved, you were never really saved. This sounds like perseverance of saints to me.

In Southern Baptist churches, I think eternal security and perseverance of saints are used synonymously, and "Once saved, always saved, is just an oversimplified definition of it. I am sure most of them would say that true believers are eternally secure and will remain believers until the end, but still believe that avoiding sin is important. My church talks about "fake Christians" all the time. They are referring to those who claim to be saved but do nothing with their faith or live worldly lives.

What do you think? Do Southern Baptists really teach eternal security as in no matter what you do, you will never lose your salvation?

Matthew 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

James 2:18
But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.

Faith without works is a dead faith.

Longing to kneel · Feb 27, 2025

You can only be born physically once and one can only be born spiritually once.

Longing to kneel · Feb 27, 2025

AKAE777 said:
Matthew 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

James 2:18
But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.

Faith without works is a dead faith.

And the thief on the cross? who never did anything?

Markie Boy · Feb 28, 2025

Former Opiate Addict said:
And the thief on the cross? who never did anything?

I used to think the same. But even the thief on the cross was rebuking the criminal on the other cross that was mocking Jesus. So even the thief on the cross had a living faith that produced fruit.

Longing to kneel · Feb 28, 2025

Markie Boy said:
I used to think the same. But even the thief on the cross was rebuking the criminal on the other cross that was mocking Jesus. So even the thief on the cross had a living faith that produced fruit.

All the thief did was believe and ask.

AKAE777 · Feb 28, 2025

Former Opiate Addict said:
And the thief on the cross? who never did anything?

That is a assumption.

BNR32FAN · Feb 28, 2025

FaithfulPilgrim said:
Greetings! I am a Southern Baptist and attend a Southern Baptist church. Where I live, 90% of the churches are Baptists and all of the churches my parents took me to were Baptist., so growing up, I had a very narrow taste of what Christianity was like and was unaware that there were other kinds of Christians. I was familiar with Mormonism, but never considered them Christian.

I first became aware of denominations when I attended a Seventh Day Adventists private school in the sixth and seventh grade. This is where I started learning about other groups like Adventists, Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, etc.

The SDA taught that you could lose your salvation and eating non-kosher foods would send you to hell. I did make good friends there, though.

I had discussed the differences between Baptists and Adventists with my family and they told me that Baptists believe that you cannot lose your salvation. I was told that if you are saved, you will go to heaven no matter what, and that if you were saved in the past but go on later to commit murder, you would still go to heaven, but God would be upset but keep His promise, or that you were never saved to begin with.

I took this the wrong way and thought it meant that I could sin and it would not really matter, so I started experimenting with other religions such as Buddhism and Deism. Of course, I repented and started to study the Bible more.

To me, it seems that perseverance of saints is biblical as I believe God saves you and it is not of any works you do, and that the true believers hold on until the very end. Eternal security seems to teach that when you are saved, even if you fall away or give up your faith, you will still be saved and still go to heaven.

Southern Baptists believe salvation is through faith alone, but they do believe good works are important. They are a result of salvation, and a true believer will have a changed lifestyle as evidence that his repentance is sincere. They also teach that if you sin willingly or show no change after claiming to be saved, you were never really saved. This sounds like perseverance of saints to me.

In Southern Baptist churches, I think eternal security and perseverance of saints are used synonymously, and "Once saved, always saved, is just an oversimplified definition of it. I am sure most of them would say that true believers are eternally secure and will remain believers until the end, but still believe that avoiding sin is important. My church talks about "fake Christians" all the time. They are referring to those who claim to be saved but do nothing with their faith or live worldly lives.

What do you think? Do Southern Baptists really teach eternal security as in no matter what you do, you will never lose your salvation?

I can’t testify as to what Southern Baptists believe or teach but 2 Timothy 2:12 is strong evidence against the idea that a true born again Christian believer can’t lose his salvation.

“It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him; If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us; If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭11‬-‭13‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Paul wrote this to Timothy in a personal letter and even includes himself as being capable of denying Christ resulting in Christ denying him before The Father.

BNR32FAN · Feb 28, 2025

Dan Perez said:
And I have not seen where anyone has FREE WILL and would you please provide a verse ,

Just one verse that PROVES , OSAS is 1 Cor 5:1-5 .

Can anyone explain what verse 5 means , in order that the spirit may be saved in the DAY of the Lord Jesus . MEAN ??

dan p

1 Corinthians 5:5 says that that his spirit MAY be saved, not that it WILL be saved. In 2 Timothy 2:12 Paul made it clear that both he and Timothy were capable of denying Christ and that Christ would deny them if they did.

BNR32FAN · Feb 28, 2025

Former Opiate Addict said:
You can only be born physically once and one can only be born spiritually once.

Being born again doesn’t mean you can’t die a second time my friend.

BNR32FAN · Feb 28, 2025

Former Opiate Addict said:
And the thief on the cross? who never did anything?

The truth is, we don’t know anything about the thief on the cross. People make way too many assumptions about him.

Danthemailman · Feb 28, 2025

Former Opiate Addict said:
And the thief on the cross? who never did anything?

Some may argue that the thief on the cross may have already been converted, yet the fruit of that is being crucified as a thief? - (highly unlikely)

In Matthew 27:39-44, we see that those who passed by, along with the chief priests' scribes and elders blasphemed, mocked and shook their heads at Jesus and EVEN THE ROBBERS WHO WERE CRUCIFIED WITH HIM REVILED HIM WITH THE SAME THING. More fruit?

I certainly don't see being crucified as a thief, blaspheming, mocking and shaking your head at Jesus as being the fruit of repentance/faith. Yet, moments later, we see that one of the thieves had a "change of mind" (repentance) placed his faith in Christ for salvation and was saved. (Luke 23:40-43) Of course, he died on the cross before having the opportunity to be water baptized or accomplish any further good works.

Longing to kneel · Feb 28, 2025

AKAE777 said:
That is a assumption.

Assumption? Do tell me what the Bible says he ever did for Christ in his life before he was hung on that cross. Nothing, all he did was ask and believe according to the Bible.

Longing to kneel · Feb 28, 2025

Danthemailman said:
Some may argue that the thief on the cross may have already been converted, yet the fruit of that is being crucified as a thief? - (highly unlikely)

In Matthew 27:39-44, we see that those who passed by, along with the chief priests' scribes and elders blasphemed, mocked and shook their heads at Jesus and EVEN THE ROBBERS WHO WERE CRUCIFIED WITH HIM REVILED HIM WITH THE SAME THING. More fruit?

I certainly don't see being crucified as a thief, blaspheming, mocking and shaking your head at Jesus as being the fruit of repentance/faith. Yet, moments later, we see that one of the thieves had a "change of mind" (repentance) placed his faith in Christ for salvation and was saved. (Luke 23:40-43) Of course, he died on the cross before having the opportunity to be water baptized or accomplish any further good works.

Indeed they can argue all they like but Scripture tells us for certain that all he did was ask and believe.

Longing to kneel · Feb 28, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
The truth is, we don’t know anything about the thief on the cross. People make way too many assumptions about him.

Doesn't matter what people argue. All that matters is the Bible says he confessed his sin, ask the Lord to remember him and the Lord said "today you shall be with me in paradise" that's it and that's all. Doesn't matter what he did or did not do previously as it's a silly argument. The Lord tells us he asked and believed and was saved that's it.

BNR32FAN · Feb 28, 2025

Former Opiate Addict said:
Doesn't matter what people argue. All that matters is the Bible says he confessed his sin, ask the Lord to remember him and the Lord said "today you shall be with me in paradise" that's it and that's all. Doesn't matter what he did or did not do previously as it's a silly argument. The Lord tells us he asked and believed and was saved that's it.

My point is that you can’t actually say that he never did anything. You can’t say he wasn’t baptized, and you can’t say he wasn’t previously a believer. I’m not saying that he was I’m just pointing out that you can’t make any argument about his level of commitment to God because the scriptures don’t reveal any of that information.

Dan Perez · Feb 28, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
1 Corinthians 5:5 says that that his spirit MAY be saved, not that it WILL be saved. In 2 Timothy 2:12 Paul made it clear that both he and Timothy were capable of denying Christ and that Christ would deny them if they did.

And 1 Cor 5:5 says , to deliver up such a one to Satan for the death of the flesh , in ORDER that the SPIRIT may be SAVED

in the DAY ( when all believers are RESURRECTED , 1 THESS 4:17 CAUGHT AWAY// HARPAZO for a meeting of the Lord

into the air .and it is the SPIRIT that lives on , BODY and wen we are RESURRECTED , we will have a NEW BODY

in 2 Cor 5:1-8 !!

dan p

BNR32FAN · Mar 1, 2025

Dan Perez said:
And 1 Cor 5:5 says , to deliver up such a one to Satan for the death of the flesh , in ORDER that the SPIRIT may be SAVED

in the DAY ( when all believers are RESURRECTED , 1 THESS 4:17 CAUGHT AWAY// HARPAZO for a meeting of the Lord

into the air .and it is the SPIRIT that lives on , BODY and wen we are RESURRECTED , we will have a NEW BODY

in 2 Cor 5:1-8 !!

dan p

You didn’t address what I said. 1 Corinthians 5:5 doesn’t say that he WILL BE SAVED, it says so that he MAY BE SAVED. Eternal security is a false doctrine. In 2 Timothy 2:12 Paul says that even he is capable of denying Christ and if he did Christ would deny him.

“It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him; If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us; If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭11‬-‭13 NASB

Longing to kneel · Mar 3, 2025

salvation isn't ours to lose, it is His to keep.

One cannot lose salvation. What torment many of you live in always feeling like you have to walk on eggshells each day. That is not how God wants you to walk! Imagine how He feels when someone denies His finished work on the cross.

Sorry but a father does not kick a child out of the family of the child messes up for awhile.

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