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The rapture in the Torah

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I don't believe the Luke 17.36 passage refers to "the Rapture." The Romans came upon two Jews, who fell upon their fate one way or the other. Either one may go away into exile, or one may be kept working the fields for the Romans and for their own sustenance under captivity. It was entirely a judgment. The one "taken away" was *not* Raptured!

Jesus asked where the place was that they will be essentially "kidnapped?" Jesus indicated it would be at the place where the Romans gathered at Jerusalem.

Luke 17.37 “Where, Lord?” they asked.
He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
That would explain why you can’t find the foreshadowing prophecy in the law
 
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That would explain why you can’t find the foreshadowing prophecy in the law
I thought I already answered that one for you? It was in the animal sacrifices, portraying Israel's legal condemnation. This required a new glorified body, sinless and free of all condemnation.
 
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Define it?
No, but here are some scriptures which deal with it.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Luke 17:36 KJV
Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Hebrews 9:28 KJV
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Alright so when you use the term "rapture" you're using it in the popular Dispensationalist sense of Christians being taken up into heaven.

Well, then, for one, none of the passages you offer here talk about Christians being taken up into heaven.

In 1 Thessalonians 4, Paul never mentions Christians being taken up into heaven. He says that when Christ returns the dead are raised and we who are alive are also transformed and brought up to meet the returning Lord Jesus in the air.

In Luke 17 it's talking about Judgment, the one taken is taken in Judgment, not in a "rapture".

And in Hebrews 9 it's talking about Christ's return, where the dead are raised, that's the salvation--the resurrection of the dead, for the Lord returns to Judge, the dead are raised, and God makes all things new.

The doctrine of "the rapture" as an event where Christians are taken out of the world and into heaven is never mentioned in the Bible. And it is completely unknown in the Christian Church throughout history--its is a theological invention of the 19th century believed by a very tiny minority of Christians who have adopted the peculiar ideas of John Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. It became popular among American Evangelicals over the course of the 20th century through Dispensationalist schools and eventually popular books by a handful of influential Dispensationalist teachers.

What Christian believe is that the Lord Jesus will return in glory to judge, and when He does, the dead are raised (and the living Faithful will, with them, be transformed). Not to get beamed up into heaven to escape a period of tribulation; but rather when the Lord Jesus comes down here.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Alright so when you use the term "rapture" you're using it in the popular Dispensationalist sense of Christians being taken up into heaven.

Well, then, for one, none of the passages you offer here talk about Christians being taken up into heaven.

In 1 Thessalonians 4, Paul never mentions Christians being taken up into heaven. He says that when Christ returns the dead are raised and we who are alive are also transformed and brought up to meet the returning Lord Jesus in the air.

In Luke 17 it's talking about Judgment, the one taken is taken in Judgment, not in a "rapture".

And in Hebrews 9 it's talking about Christ's return, where the dead are raised, that's the salvation--the resurrection of the dead, for the Lord returns to Judge, the dead are raised, and God makes all things new.

The doctrine of "the rapture" as an event where Christians are taken out of the world and into heaven is never mentioned in the Bible. And it is completely unknown in the Christian Church throughout history--its is a theological invention of the 19th century believed by a very tiny minority of Christians who have adopted the peculiar ideas of John Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. It became popular among American Evangelicals over the course of the 20th century through Dispensationalist schools and eventually popular books by a handful of influential Dispensationalist teachers.

What Christian believe is that the Lord Jesus will return in glory to judge, and when He does, the dead are raised (and the living Faithful will, with them, be transformed). Not to get beamed up into heaven to escape a period of tribulation; but rather when the Lord Jesus comes down here.

-CryptoLutheran
AND I NEVER use the word RAPTURE because there is not a Greek word called RAPTURE !!

And 1 Thess 4:17 says that all of those in the BODY of CHRIST , those that are LIVING ONES , the surviving ones will be

caught AWAY at the same time with them in CLOUDS for a MEETING of Lord into the AIR , and so we will at all times be

with the Lord .

Israel will always be on earth !!

dan p
 
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