GREAT martyr JAN HUS

Well, if you're going to imitate how we title saints, please keep in mind that your saint would be a Martyr and not a Great-martyr, as a Great-martyr is one who endures being tortured before being killed.

seashale76 said:

Well, if you're going to imitate how we title saints, please keep in mind that your saint would be a Martyr and not a Great-martyr, as a Great-martyr is one who endures being tortured before being killed.

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Religious persecution is a form of torture.

Artwork of the burning of Hus.

July 6 is Jus Hus's Commemeration day in the ELCA church.

I think it is particularly relevant to remember Jan Hus because despite popular opinion, Martin Luther was not the first Reformer. He followed in the train of great saints such as Hus and Waldo and other martyrs for the faith.

bbbbbbb said:

I think it is particularly relevant to remember Jan Hus because despite popular opinion, Martin Luther was not the first Reformer. He followed in the train of great saints such as Hus and Waldo and other martyrs for the faith.

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Are they all listed with many others in one of the well known (in some circles) books or records of martyrs ?

The muslims were pushing against the boarders of Christian Europe, and Spain had fallen. Shortly after the trials and following execution of Jan Huus came the fall of the Byzantine empire at the hands of the Ottoman’s. It’s safe to say, and fair to assume that the church saw herself as persecuted and vulnerable at the time, with good cause. At the same time there we have the black plague running through Europe only 60-70 years prior to the council of Constanz (1414-18). We had had no less than three popes claiming to be the head of the universal Catholic Church at the same time. At the time of the council we saw two popes fighting for power, a dispute which ended at the council. So, the moslems at the one hand, and then the internal tendencies towards fragmentation and schism at the other hand.
There was some genuin anxiety in large part of the church. Would the church fall? That would be unthinkable, unless it’s really the endtimes.

I think it’s very unfair to ignore the historical context the church found herself in at the time of Jan Huus trial. He decided to take on the churchs authority at a very, very awkward moment. That was his risk to take and, off course, he shouldn’t have been put down over it. No one ever should be when they challenge thought patterns and ideas, but the time he chose, and the time he lived in left very little room for negotiations with schismatics coming from within the church.
When standing in front of an external enemy it’s vital to remain unified within. You can see this very same logic being applied in modern warfare. If a soldier tries to challenge the strategy of the officers in command at the battlefield, they could easily be put down if needed. It’s kind of like “for the benefit of a greater cause” kind of thinking.

Aaron112 said:

Are they all listed with many others in one of the well known (in some circles) books or records of martyrs ?

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Well known to some... Lutheran Service Book's list of official commemorations of Saints, Martyrs, Fathers and Doctors of the Church catholic.

RileyG said:

As a person of Czech descent, and Catholic, I know many Czech Protestants became Presbyterian and many originally Czech Churches are named after Jan Huss.

(My late grandfather was Presbyterian but became Catholic when he married by grandmother. Both spoke Czech and were 100% Czech).

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Here in North America, I believe that the Moravian Church is in fellowship with the ELCA/ELCIC. Like the ELCA, they have became liberal and affirming (woke). The Catholic Church, IMO, was a better choice.

RileyG said:

Yes. At least where I'm at in Nebraska, there are no Moravian Churches, so many Czech people who settled here became Presbyterian instead.

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They were active among some native groups; particularly in the North and Labrador. Even just an hour from my house in Southern Ontario, there is an Indian Reserve that is actually called "Moravia Town"; no Moravians left there either; last time I drove through there 40+ years ago, their Church had already been abandoned and deteriorated beyond use.

It seems the church has been fixed, but is now under the jurisdiction of the Anglican Church: St. Peter's Church, Moraviantown | Kent | The Incorporated Synod of the Diocese of Huron