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Okay. So what would be the answer she should give that wouldn't have most likely turned enough people against her to make her lose the Supreme Court nomination?
Given where the majority of the country is at (evidenced by the way things are going)

"A woman as an adult human female, and a transwoman is someone trying to present as an adult human female"

Would it have made a subset of the progressive base unhappy by acknowledging there's a difference between the two? Sure...

But would it have made enough democratic senators unhappy enough that she wouldn't get the confirmation? Unlikely.

Worst case scenario, she would've mildly annoyed a few democratic senators...but on the flip side, she would've yanked the GOP senators' talking point out from underneath them.
 
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Does it help a Supreme Court nominee to pretend to be dumb? Evidently it does
The person asking the question was the person pretending to be dumb. You know this but you have decided to be dishonest in this discussion.
 
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Given where the majority of the country is at (evidenced by the way things are going)

"A woman as an adult human female, and a transwoman is someone trying to present as an adult human female"
That's not an explanation that I would go for.
" someone trying to present as an adult human female" is not what i think a person that is pro-trans would say and it completely misses the point.
 
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Where does he say "I need a gay guy, Mayor Pete is popular, so which seat can I put him in?"
You're fixating on semantics.

If a person makes a pledge to "have the most diverse cabinet"

And after they make their picks, get up on a microphone and lists them all out, it's very clear that was his thought process. Notice in that speech, he didn't talk about their qualifications at all, he specifically focused on "This is the first person from group XYZ to hold this position!"


If I made an overt campaign pledge to "have the wealthiest cabinet in history"

And after I made my picks, got up for a speech and proceeded to name them all, and list out their monetary net worth", it'd be pretty obvious that I was focused on wealth over qualifications, correct?
 
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The person asking the question was the person pretending to be dumb. You know this but you have decided to be dishonest in this discussion.
She was making a point and pretending not to be able to answer is playing dumb.
 
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That's not an explanation that I would go for.
" someone trying to present as an adult human female" is not what i think a person that is pro-trans would say and it completely misses the point.
Well I looked at the clip and it seems her answer was a very good one.

I'm not a biologist.
In my work as a judge, I address disputes, if there is a dispute about a definition, people make arguments and I look at the law and I decide.

This seems that the judge isn't coming at it with predetermined ideas.
 
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Given where the majority of the country is at (evidenced by the way things are going)

"A woman as an adult human female, and a transwoman is someone trying to present as an adult human female"

Would it have made a subset of the progressive base unhappy by acknowledging there's a difference between the two? Sure...

But would it have made enough democratic senators unhappy enough that she wouldn't get the confirmation? Unlikely.

It would absolutely have lost Democratic support.

Worst case scenario, she would've mildly annoyed a few democratic senators...but on the flip side, she would've yanked the GOP senators' talking point out from underneath them.
Except even if they didn't have that talking point, would any of those Senators who voted against her have voted to confirm her anyway? Doubtful. Even if it did pick up a few more Republicans, it's hard to believe it would be as much as the Democrats you'd lose.

I don't think the answer she gave actually changed anything regarding her confirmation. The same people who were going to vote for her still voted for her, and the same people who were going to vote against her still voted against.

The smartest thing to do as a Supreme Court nominee is to say as little as possible that could ruffle anyone's feathers. That's why whenever asked about controversial previous decisions (Roe, Heller, etc.) they make noncommittal statements about precedent, but don't ever say they won't overturn things. The only time they tend to speak ill off decisions are those decisions that there is no danger whatsoever in repudiating, like Dred Scott.
 
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I don't think the answer she gave actually changed anything regarding her confirmation. The same people who were going to vote for her still voted for her, and the same people who were going to vote against her still voted against.

The smartest thing to do as a Supreme Court nominee is to say as little as possible that could ruffle anyone's feathers.
In that particular no, it didn't change much as in the Senate, the Democrats at the time had those "brute force" numbers I referred to. (the same way the republicans have been getting their nominations through this time)

The implications aren't always just for the nominee's own confirmation and their personal career advancement, but sometimes for the trajectory of the person/administration that appointed them.

If there's a policy/position where 70% of the population (overall) is leaning one particular way, a nominee either clearly dodging (or going the other way), can have impacts on the future re-electability of the person who appointed them, as it can be an indicator that perhaps they're moving too far in a direction that the majority of people aren't comfortable with. Likewise, if a policy is overwhelmingly popular with their own party, but they give a wishy-washy answer in hopes of giving enough appeasement to the other side to get more senate votes, that sends a signal as well.


In her case, the answer she gave didn't appease republicans, and it didn't appease the progressive wing of the democratic party.

We know their respective answers to that question
GOP: "It's an adult human female, case closed, no further discussion, no room for nuance"
Progressive wing: "It's anyone who identifies as a woman" (typically followed by some sort of rhetorical "how do you define a chair?" trick they learned in Philosophy 101)
 
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"The right wing media is causing it". That's a stretch.

If we look at the top 8 news outlets in the US

CNN
Fox News
MSNBC
CBS
ABC
NBC
Washington Post
New York Times


So Democrats have 80% of the news media
False. Wapo and NYT both favor Trump. Wapo is owned by a Trump supporter. Not on the list, WSJ is a major paper and also supports Trump. I only see two left-leaning on that list, CNN & MSNBC.

The media loves Trump because he generates headlines and clicks. A functioning government is boring. A loudmouth felon is, well, not boring.
 
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False. Wapo and NYT both favor Trump. Wapo is owned by a Trump supporter. Not on the list, WSJ is a major paper and also supports Trump. I only see two left-leaning on that list, CNN & MSNBC.

The media loves Trump because he generates headlines and clicks. A functioning government is boring. A loudmouth felon is, well, not boring.
Saying that Washington Post and the NY Times are "pro-Trump" is borderline laughable...

Go read their homepages this morning.

They may enjoy the click-revenue they get from running articles about Trump, but that's not the same as being "Pro-Trump", their reporting is certainly not on his side, ideologically speaking. In fact, quite the opposite.


That'd be like claiming that Fox News is actually pro-LGBT, because they run a lot of articles about it.
 
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