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That is a left wing news outlet that received more than $8.3 million dollars from USAID for subscriptions from the US Government. That is what Schumer is leading protests against, shutting down left wing government funded news organziations

This just isn't true. Isn't there something in your special book about false witness?

From your own article: "Politico has been awarded a total of $8.2 million from multiple government bodies since 2015, according to USAspending.gov."

Politico is very mildly left leaning. It's highly accurate in its reporting and it's best described as 'centre-left'.

Rumor so far has it that AP News has also received many million more

There are many millions more that have gone to left wing causes.

AP isn't left leaning, it's about as centre/neutral and factual as they come. The AP manual of style is the de facto standard for a reason.


Here's a shocker for you - governments pay for news and subscribe to news publications - left and right. They always have. They also pay for external analysis and data.

I work for a specalist industry publication and data provider. Our subscriber list includes multiple US government agencies. They also pay to come to our conferences, attend our information/education sessions and work with us on research projects.

It is a Huge scandal and Chuck Schumer is leading protest against the information being made public. The fact that Schumer is out pounding the streets in protest seems to indicate that Musk's Agency has the authority to do what it is doing. Or Schumer would have shut it down through Congress or the Courts.

It's nothing of the sort. The only people this is news to are the deeply ill informed. This is just governments paying for news subscriptions.


For those that want to be better informed than the grift-o-sphere and grievance merchants, here's how an actual journalists reported the story:

 
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It's nothing of the sort. The only people this is news to are the deeply ill informed. This is just governments paying for news subscriptions.
The fact is that none of the reports mention the government subscribing to any right wing or center news outlet.
Politico is far left as it gets and has published articles that were factually untrue.

Meanwhile, whether the subscriptions were for "research" by government employess, the fact remains that many Americans cannot afford subscriptions. I get a picture of government employees lazing around the house in their pj's, perusing the net and discussing the latest "news" from a left wing website on their government provided smart phones.

Look at your own article
In July 2020, for example, HHS paid $73,857 for a Politico Pro subscription licensed for 37 users. The department exercised options to extend the contract in 2021 and 2022, and eventually increased its subscription to 49 users in 2023 for $130,185. The DOI similarly purchased a subscription to E&E in September 2021 for $200,000, which it has been extending since. The DOE has also been extending a Politico Pro contract since June 2020 for a four-year total of more than $400,000.

You do realize that $73,857 divided by 37 = $1,966 per user for one year.
Taxpayers footed that bill. Good Grief!
$133,185 for 49 users = $2,718 per user
You do realize that $200, 000 and $400,000 is the cost of a family home?
These numbers are being looked at by people who make less than $50,000 a year and retirees who are strugglng along on $1,200 to $2500 per couple per month and certainly don't have "government subscriptions" to any entertainment channel such as Poltico.

Has the Government in Washington no shame? We have homeless folks and a boy just died because he couldn't afford his prescription.
Yet we sent condoms to Afganistan and buy a subscription from a "news outlet" which is subsidized by and beholden to the government.
 
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The fact is that none of the reports mention the government subscribing to any right wing or center news outlet.
Politico is far left as it gets and has published articles that were factually untrue.

Nonsense:
Media Bias Fact Check rates it 'centre-left'
Media Bias Chart rates it 'lean left'
Ad Fontes Media rates it 'balanced or least biased'
All Sides rates it 'lean left'

Far left media sources would be Jacobin, Jezebel, The Nation or alterNet.

Meanwhile, whether the subscriptions were for "research" by government employess, the fact remains that many Americans cannot afford subscriptions.

What does that have to do with the price of fish in Kenya?

I get a picture of government employees lazing around the house in their pj's, perusing the net and discussing the latest "news" from a left wing website on their government provided smart phones.

Oh no, government employees get to read political news and have communications devices. The unmitigated horror!

Look at your own article
In July 2020, for example, HHS paid $73,857 for a Politico Pro subscription licensed for 37 users. The department exercised options to extend the contract in 2021 and 2022, and eventually increased its subscription to 49 users in 2023 for $130,185. The DOI similarly purchased a subscription to E&E in September 2021 for $200,000, which it has been extending since. The DOE has also been extending a Politico Pro contract since June 2020 for a four-year total of more than $400,000.

All of which is completely standard practice and totally normal.

I looked up the company I work for. It has been awarded 98 US government contracts since 2007, valued at $8.9 million.

You do realize that $73,857 divided by 37 = $1,966 per user for one year.
Taxpayers footed that bill. Good Grief!
$133,185 for 49 users = $2,718 per user
You do realize that $200, 000 and $400,000 is the cost of a family home?

That's cheap! Subscription prices for the company I work for start at ~$12,500 for a single enterprise login per year. You can easily push that past $30,000 if you want access to our specialty databases. Standard fee for additional users is ~$1800.

Price is also relative. Where I live, $200,000 isn't even getting you the down-payment on a family home. Meanwhile, Donald Trump going golfing costs the US government approximately $600,000 per round.

These numbers are being looked at by people who make less than $50,000 a year and retirees who are strugglng along on $1,200 to $2500 per couple per month and certainly don't have "government subscriptions" to any entertainment channel such as Poltico.

Information isn't free. Journalism isn't free.

Politico isn't "entertainment", it's political news, opinion and analysis.

Has the Government in Washington no shame? We have homeless folks and a boy just died because he couldn't afford his prescription.
Yet we sent condoms to Afghanistan and buy a subscription from a "news outlet" which is subsidized by and beholden to the government.

Politico is no more "beholden to the government" than my specalist publication is. To whit, not at all.

Are you equally incensed about the $55 million spent with Reuters? Or the $17.5 million going to S&P Global? Or the $69.3 million going to Alaska Newspapers?
 
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Are you equally incensed about the $55 million spent with Reuters? Or the $17.5 million going to S&P Global? Or the $69.3 million going to Alaska Newspapers?
Yes! As I said, I have a vision of a government worker in their pj's cruising the net.
Is that the job?
We could hire high school kids to do the job.
Exactly what is the government doing?
Do these pampered and overpaid public servants actually have any work to do while they are tuning into their favorite, government subscription entertainment channels?
Do we pay them to read Politico? Reuters?
Price is also relative. Where I live, $200,000 isn't even getting you the down-payment on a family home. Meanwhile, Donald Trump going golfing costs the US government approximately $600,000 per round.
And your company cost the US how much for those 98 government contractts? $8,9 million?
And exactly what does your company do for the government, aye?

This is exactly the problem. The average US income is $38,585 per year. The average #SS is $1,986 a month.
People want government cut. Your company possibly does something to justify house down payments of $200,000.
Maybe, it does something I really need done, perhaps but reading Politico is not a job description nor is it a definition of "work" in the average Americans playbook.
This is what is going to swat the government in the face. America is not rich. That is what swatted the Democrats in the face.
The vast majority of Americans who make on average $37,000 a year and look forward to a retirement #SS of $18,000, are really getting amazingly angry with a government that spends $6,000,000 a Minute, $6.5 Trillion in one year with a deficit of $1.83 Trillion.
It is going to change. The high rollers on the government dime need some serious economic readjustment.
 
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Yes! As I said, I have a vision of a government worker in their pj's cruising the net.
Is that the job?
We could hire high school kids to do the job.
Exactly what is the government doing?
Do these pampered and overpaid public servants actually have any work to do while they are tuning into their favorite, government subscription entertainment channels?
Do we pay them to read Politico? Reuters?

And your company cost the US how much for those 98 government contractts? $8,9 million?
And exactly what does your company do for the government, aye?

This is exactly the problem. The average US income is $38,585 per year. The average #SS is $1,986 a month.
People want government cut. Your company possibly does something to justify house down payments of $200,000.
Maybe, it does something I really need done, perhaps but reading Politico is not a job description nor is it a definition of "work" in the average Americans playbook.
This is what is going to swat the government in the face. America is not rich. That is what swatted the Democrats in the face.
The vast majority of Americans who make on average $37,000 a year and look forward to a retirement #SS of $18,000, are really getting amazingly angry with a government that spends $6,000,000 a Minute, $6.5 Trillion in one year with a deficit of $1.83 Trillion.
It is going to change. The high rollers on the government dime need some serious economic readjustment.
America is very rich, it's just that almost all your wealth is concentrated in the top 1%.
 
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Yes! As I said, I have a vision of a government worker in their pj's cruising the net. Is that the job?
We could hire high school kids to do the job. Exactly what is the government doing?

I've had the honour to work directly with personnel from a number of US government agencies. I've also spent the last ~15 years training recent university graduates in a number of professional roles.

Yes, you could hire high school kids to do their job. But, as someone who has been a teacher and seen US government employees at work, you'd better be prepared for a melt-down of catastrophic proportions of whatever organisation they've been hired at.

On a personal note, a little over 10 years ago I got to play a peripheral role in a multi-billion dollar commerical deal that was being negotiated with US government support. The US government representatives maneuvered through the deal with an incredible amount of knowledge, initative and hard work. This was a deal that involved negotiations in five different languages, legal approvals in five different countries and securing international debt financing from more than 30 commercial banks. They got that all done in under five weeks - only to see the whole thing get blown up becuase of a domestic political snit.

Do these pampered and overpaid public servants actually have any work to do while they are tuning into their favorite, government subscription entertainment channels?
Do we pay them to read Politico? Reuters?

Do you want bureaucrats and decision makers who are well informed and have an understanding of the world? Then yes, you SHOULD pay them to read Politico and Reuters.

I'm lucky. Part of my job is to read and synthesis as much news and information about my particular subject area as possible. I literally get paid to read the news (among other things).

However, Politico Pro (the subscription service the government is paying for) comes with more than just news. It also comes with a bunch of other features - everything from personnel databases and calendars to legislative summaries, vote tracking and network mapping.

And your company cost the US how much for those 98 government contractts? $8,9 million?
And exactly what does your company do for the government, aye?

It provides news and analysis for some transportation related sectors. Along with this are a suite of data and specalist information products, including some highly specalised databases that have taken ~15 years to develop and are unique to our company.

This is exactly the problem. The average US income is $38,585 per year. The average #SS is $1,986 a month.
People want government cut. Your company possibly does something to justify house down payments of $200,000.
Maybe, it does something I really need done, perhaps but reading Politico is not a job description nor is it a definition of "work" in the average Americans playbook.

Part of what bureaucrats do is learn about the workings and goings on of government and being informed on their subject matter areas. Reading Politico (or The Hill, or Axios, or Morning Consult, or the WSJ, or Bloomberg, or NYT or The Seattle Times or any one of thousands of other papers) is fundamental to that part of the job.

Just because an average Amercian doesn't think it's not work, doesn't mean it isn't. To borrow a phrase: People aren't down with things they're not up with.

This is what is going to swat the government in the face. America is not rich.

America is rich. Its population has the highest disposable income on earth. America also has the highest wealth inequality of any Western, developed nation.

So, while it is wealthy and while it's people are very rich compared to most of the rest of the world, it's weath is HIGHLY concentrated. And, increasingly so - income inequality has been getting progressively worse since the end of the Carter administration.
 
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That is a left wing news outlet that received more than $8.3 million dollars from USAID for subscriptions from the US Government.
That is what Schumer is leading protests against, shutting down left wing government funded news organziations
Rumor so far has it that AP News has also received many million more

There are many millions more that have gone to left wing causes.
It is a Huge scandal and Chuck Schumer is leading protest against the information being made public
The fact that Schumer is out pounding the streets in protest seems to indicate that Musk's Agency has the authority to do what it is doing.
Or Schumer would have shut it down through Congress or the Courts.
Schumer is protesting because Musk found out that the government has subscriptions to Politico?
Google Politico
That is a left wing news outlet that received more than $8.3 million dollars from USAID for subscriptions from the US Government.
That is what Schumer is leading protests against, shutting down left wing government funded news organziations
Rumor so far has it that AP News has also received many million more

There are many millions more that have gone to left wing causes.
It is a Huge scandal and Chuck Schumer is leading protest against the information being made public
The fact that Schumer is out pounding the streets in protest seems to indicate that Musk's Agency has the authority to do what it is doing.
Or Schumer would have shut it down through Congress or the Courts.
Already under way.
 
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Yes! As I said, I have a vision of a government worker in their pj's cruising the net.
Is that the job?
We could hire high school kids to do the job.
Exactly what is the government doing?
Do these pampered and overpaid public servants actually have any work to do while they are tuning into their favorite, government subscription entertainment channels?
Do we pay them to read Politico? Reuters?

And your company cost the US how much for those 98 government contractts? $8,9 million?
And exactly what does your company do for the government, aye?

This is exactly the problem. The average US income is $38,585 per year. The average #SS is $1,986 a month.
People want government cut. Your company possibly does something to justify house down payments of $200,000.
Maybe, it does something I really need done, perhaps but reading Politico is not a job description nor is it a definition of "work" in the average Americans playbook.
This is what is going to swat the government in the face. America is not rich. That is what swatted the Democrats in the face.
The vast majority of Americans who make on average $37,000 a year and look forward to a retirement #SS of $18,000, are really getting amazingly angry with a government that spends $6,000,000 a Minute, $6.5 Trillion in one year with a deficit of $1.83 Trillion.
It is going to change. The high rollers on the government dime need some serious economic readjustment.
So you elected a government who aren't going to change anything but who gets the money. I guarantee you it won't be you.
 
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The average American does far better economically than most other people in the world.
It is hard to compare or quantify this
If a person lives in an African Jungle, his house can be simple.
If a person lives where it is sub zero then that person must have a larger and far more complicated dwelling
I have noticed that houses get larger and require more materials and maintanence the further north people live.
It also requires heating.
So Housing, as a percentage of income is much more expensive in Minnesota than in the Congo.
Also, all of our food is transported. Bananas and monkey meat are not falling out of the trees.
America requires a very fragile and extensive infrastructure to deliver water, food, energy and that takes a large amount of work and money

So basics, house, food, energy, water consume a much larger proportion of American income than those same items in the Congo, for instance.

I think America looks rich but the basics required for bare survival consume a significant amount of time energy and just plain work.
Just a thought
 
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The fact is that none of the reports mention the government subscribing to any right wing or center news outlet.
What is the source for these "reports"? Is it an exhaustive list of all subscription services that the US government pays for, or is it someone with an agenda reporting the things that support their agenda? Because I'd bet that the US government also pays for subscriptions to the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Examiner, and many other right-wing news sources as well.

Part of many government employees' jobs is staying informed about events, trends, and sentiments - which they do by reading (and watching) the news. They then use that information to provide analysis to their various departments and agencies.
 
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What is the source for these "reports"? Is it an exhaustive list of all subscription services that the US government pays for, or is it someone with an agenda reporting the things that support their agenda? Because I'd bet that the US government also pays for subscriptions to the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Examiner, and many other right-wing news sources as well.

Part of many government employees' jobs is staying informed about events, trends, and sentiments - which they do by reading (and watching) the news. They then use that information to provide analysis to their various departments and agencies.
The Wall Street Journal is hardly "right wing."
 
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THE GOVERNMENT’S COMPUTING EXPERTS SAY THEY ARE TERRIFIED

lon musk’s unceasing attempts to access the data and information systems of the federal government range so widely, and are so unprecedented and unpredictable, that government computing experts believe the effort has spun out of control. This week, we spoke with four federal-government IT professionals—all experienced contractors and civil servants who have built, modified, or maintained the kind of technological infrastructure that Musk’s inexperienced employees at his newly created Department of Government Efficiency are attempting to access. In our conversations, each expert was unequivocal: They are terrified and struggling to articulate the scale of the crisis.

More or less what I expected. But glad to get some informed opinions on the matter.


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THE GOVERNMENT’S COMPUTING EXPERTS SAY THEY ARE TERRIFIED

lon musk’s unceasing attempts to access the data and information systems of the federal government range so widely, and are so unprecedented and unpredictable, that government computing experts believe the effort has spun out of control. This week, we spoke with four federal-government IT professionals—all experienced contractors and civil servants who have built, modified, or maintained the kind of technological infrastructure that Musk’s inexperienced employees at his newly created Department of Government Efficiency are attempting to access. In our conversations, each expert was unequivocal: They are terrified and struggling to articulate the scale of the crisis.

More or less what I expected. But glad to get some informed opinions on the matter.


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"Terrified" anonymous computer "experts," hard-core Democrats no doubt. Sadly most of the government computer code is of poor quality and not well documented. Contracts go to software companies that are well connected. Thus it take considerable time just to evaluate the process. That being said, the truth is that many people are going nuts over the audits. Democrats had the spending well covered up, now we know that taxpayer money from USAID and the State Department ended up funding transgender operas and comic books, a Sesame Street show in Iraq, condoms, and various types of transgender and DEI programs in foreign countries. The big steal from American taxpayers and their children and grandchildren in order to promote one party in America and terrorist organizations and Marxist-style government throughout the world.
 
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"Terrified" anonymous computer "experts," hard-core Democrats no doubt. Sadly most of the government computer code is of poor quality and not well documented.
My experience on government (military) software projects was that they were documented out the wazoo. At the time, we had nearly as many “systems engineers” documenting things as we had software people building them.
 
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"Terrified" anonymous computer "experts," hard-core Democrats no doubt. Sadly most of the government computer code is of poor quality and not well documented. Contracts go to software companies that are well connected. Thus it take considerable time just to evaluate the process. That being said, the truth is that many people are going nuts over the audits. Democrats had the spending well covered up, now we know that taxpayer money from USAID and the State Department ended up funding transgender operas and comic books, a Sesame Street show in Iraq, condoms, and various types of transgender and DEI programs in foreign countries. The big steal from American taxpayers and their children and grandchildren in order to promote one party in America and terrorist organizations and Marxist-style government throughout the world.

I find this a bit odd, like you are viewing it without looking at the consequences. So let's try a different example: say that back in 2021 when Biden was in office, he had Bill Gates come in to help out -- and Bill Gates accessed all the taxpayer information, to include getting names, addresses, social security numbers, etc. (which likely violates the Privacy Act and other federal laws). In fact, not only did he access it, but he made copies of the data. Would you have been ok with that, or would you have some major concerns?

And if you would have issues with Bill Gates doing it, then I would think you should have issues with Elon Musk doing it, particularly as an unelected bureaucrat (regardless of the job he's doing) who has no reason to access taxpayer information.
 
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I find this a bit odd, like you are viewing it without looking at the consequences. So let's try a different example: say that back in 2021 when Biden was in office, he had Bill Gates come in to help out -- and Bill Gates accessed all the taxpayer information, to include getting names, addresses, social security numbers, etc. (which likely violates the Privacy Act and other federal laws). In fact, not only did he access it, but he made copies of the data. Would you have been ok with that, or would you have some major concerns?

And if you would have issues with Bill Gates doing it, then I would think you should have issues with Elon Musk doing it, particularly as an unelected bureaucrat (regardless of the job he's doing) who has no reason to access taxpayer information.
Oh, no. If Biden and Gates had done that, it would be treason! And MAGA would be shouting that from the rooftops.

But for Trump and Musk, it's okay. For...reasons....

-- A2SG, just like with facts, MAGA has its own logic.....
 
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