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We've got to beware of heretical prosperity health/wealth "word of faith" preachers, friends - like Myers, Osteen, Copeland, Oprah (whose mysticism is indistiguishable from their teachings), et al. Please consider watching the whole 30 mins and note all the obvious heresies about Jesus and God that they slip in - like leaven. Be blessed!

 
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I don’t understand why some people believe in the Prosperity Gospel, given that in Luke Christ our True God says:

Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

This is not to say the rich cannot be saved, for the incident with the rich young needle where Christ first likens the entry of the rich into the Kingdom of God to a camel passing through the eye of a needle, but then when asked by his disciples “who then can be saved” replied “what is is impossible with man is possible with God.”

However the quest for earthly riches is avarice, a sinful passion we must struggle to overcome, and not endorse, much less endorse from the pulpit. I particularly object to those “megachurches” whose pastors, flush with cash, promise earthly riches will come to those who donate more money to them. I don’t see how such preaching is supposed to work in the context of the New Testament. And unfortunately, the influence of these people is spreading.
 
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I don’t understand why some people believe in the Prosperity Gospel, given that in Luke Christ our True God says:

Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

This is not to say the rich cannot be saved, for the incident with the rich young needle where Christ first likens the entry of the rich into the Kingdom of God to a camel passing through the eye of a needle, but then when asked by his disciples “who then can be saved” replied “what is is impossible with man is possible with God.”

However the quest for earthly riches is avarice, a sinful passion we must struggle to overcome, and not endorse, much less endorse from the pulpit. I particularly object to those “megachurches” whose pastors, flush with cash, promise earthly riches will come to those who donate more money to them. I don’t see how such preaching is supposed to work in the context of the New Testament. And unfortunately, the influence of these people is spreading.
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Agree 100%. I find it especially revealing that Roberts and Copeland would scoff at the apostle Peter for his humble estate.

Imagine what they must secretly think of Jesus Himself. Left perhaps a modest living to travel for 3 years from city to city, homeless, dining with strangers as a houseguest, sharing what financial support received with His disciples and the needy. No fancy robe or crown. No haughty display of opulence.

He would get hustled off the streets of America today - along with the "bums" and assorted misfits.

Surely a High Priest empathetic with the least of all of us - including me. Thank you Jesus!

Just knowing Him is bounty enough, eh?
 
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Joseph G said:
We've got to beware of heretical prosperity health/wealth "word of faith" preachers, friends - like Myers, Osteen, Copeland, Oprah (whose mysticism is indistiguishable from their teachings), et al. Please consider watching the whole 30 mins and note all the obvious heresies about Jesus and God that they slip in - like leaven. Be blessed!

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I wouldn't put Osteen, Myers, or Copeland in the same category as Oprah, but I agree that the Prosperity Gospel is unbalanced and as such, wrong and destructive. God does prosper us when He so chooses. But to put it into a formula that God is subject to is on the border of heresy--I just wouldn't quite go there, even if the doctrine is sometimes mixed in with blatantly corrupt or occultic doctrine. Thanks! :)
 
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Joseph G said:
Imagine what they must secretly think of Jesus Himself.
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I would expect most prosperity gospel preachers believe their own statements about Jesus Christ being very wealthy.
 
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Prosperity teaching is self-serving in many respects. Of course a ministry needs to appeal for funds. But Prosperity Teaching has at times called upon poor people to exercise "faith" to give without the minister paying a price for the failure of this "faith." In the meantime he swims in money, and appears to have little compassion for those who were misled into giving in "faith."
 
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