Spiritual Warfare - location and responsibilities of fallen angels

Tomexor said:

Hi,

I would like to present/pose a question. I am no authority on theology by any means, just person who has had spiritual attacks on him and fought spiritually for few years now. I think this is an important question, as it is the very enemy we are fighting against. The Satan,Lucifer and others. They are not some kind of metaphor. They are real.
If you believe in God, in Christ, then you also believe in existence of these entities.Please, pray about knowing following question to Holy Spirit, about getting to know the truth of the following question, and please, pray for discernment and protection against spiritual enemies reading it - do it for me, for Christian, newcomer into your midsts, I cannot stress it enough, please pray for it in such a way -
1.for knowing truth about following,
2.for discernment from the Holy Spirit,
3.for delivery from pride in yourself and
4.for protection against spiritual enemies.
Otherwise, don't read it.
I don't say it all out of despair, but for your own protection, believe me.

The question and my hypothesis is this:
What do you think high ranking fallen angels are doing? What are their tasks? I mean, the Kingdom of God is of transparency and the kingdom of Satan is concealment and working in the shadows. Practically speaking, I think that one good guess would be that some of them have some small regions under their authority in certain countries (most likely Christian ones) and are training spirit soldiers to work against Christians worldwide (as they are the only ones that they truly fear, because of power of Christ granted to us to throw demons/unclean spirits out). Against the Christian mindset, way of living, way of thinking, emotions. Trained on human beings (on their minds, bodies, spirits, emotions, thoughts, thought patterns). Basically teaching (imposing -would be better word) all basis of spiritual warfare to spirits/demons under their yoke, for them to be of better use for high-ups in hierarchy and sending them then worldwide (spirits that are attached to human beings).
Some form of demonic camp. I mean, those organized legions need some training, right? It’s spiritual warfare after all. Satan is pratical, extremely intelligent and crafty being and what truly prevents humans from really grasping it is their pride and ego, and conformity in their belief. It also prevents spiritual growth, as adversity is what makes us grow, but how can it, if we don't even accept the fact of enemy existing? If such places would be revealed worldwide, then the yoke might end sooner, and we all will be better afterwards. So, my guess for location of certain fallen angels and location of such camps - Christian Country, region when there are no deliverance services present. It’s good metrics for revealing such a scheme I think (God willing).
Beside that, thank you for what you are doing and thank you for being.
God bless you.
Tomek, Bilgoraj region (23-400), Poland

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Lucifer and the fallen angels were kicked out of heaven and cast to the earthly realm because they sinned ... sin is transgression of the law. God created all His intelligent beings with the freedom of choice ... live according to God's way or not to. The angels in heaven made their choices .... those who chose their way over God's way are confined to the earthly realm.

Luke 4:34
"What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!"

Luke 4:34Angels are a different kind of beings ... but they do have very strong spiritual powers (mind influence). There is a "dimension" where they reside that we can not see (described as gloomy darkness). As far as the fallen angels go .... God allows us to be tempted into sin by them .... they don't need a "training camp" .... they are very well aware of what sin is (transgression of the law) because they violated it themselves .... the fallen angels know their eternal fate has been sealed. There is no redemption for them .. the choices they made are for eternity and they know this.

"What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!"

.. the fallen angels intent is to draw away as many as possible from God ... tempting humans to sin (transgression of the law) and we often fall for it .... however .... even so we have the redemptive power of Jesus and if we are walking with Him He will send His holy Spirt to help us ward off the spiritual powers of the fallen angels and even overcome them. Without Jesus we are powerless against the influence of satan and his wicked angels.

It's about the mind .... our minds are influenced by both good and evil and we make choices. God allows satan and the fallen angels to tempt us into sin. Therein lies "the battle" we are up against every day.

The closer we walk with Jesus the more the power of evil influence (tempting us) is reduced ... the evil powers are however relentless and will never give up so we are to be continuously mindful of this and keep our minds focused on Jesus and His ways and walk in them.

James 1:14-15 King James Version (KJV)​

but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Spiritual influence by angels whether good or bad is most certainly real ... When we are spiritually attacked .... God will ultimately provide a way of escape (avoiding them) ... and or bearing these attacks (forgiving us when we acquiesce to them and turn back to God) and we confess and repent (turn away from them) and then continue on living in the battle field.

1 Corinthians 10:13
King James Version
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13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it (consequences of sin).

We are born into a "war zone" .... that war zone (battle field) is between God and satan and there are continuous battles going on .... however we do know who wins the war .... this war will continue and actually worsen until Jesus returns and ends it.

Until then ...

Ephesians 6:12

King James Version
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12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

It's not a physical battle between God and satan .... it's a battle for our minds ... do we have the mind/will to serve God and walk in His ways .... or not.

God is in complete control but does allow satan and the fallen angels to tempt us (into sin) Jesus himself was tempted .... we are tested as to what our motives are ... choose to serve God and walk in His ways .... or not ... now matter how powerful the temptation into sin is we do not have to yield to it ... yet often we do ... it is a very powerful influence.

Proverbs 17:3​

The crucible is for silver, and the furnace is for gold, and the Lord tests hearts (minds)

Satan and his demons (fallen angels) are constantly tempting human beings to sin against God, and the Bible gives us many examples. The devil “prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8). Satan fills people’s hearts with deceptive lies (Acts 5:3). He is “the tempter” (1 Thessalonians 3:5).

So ... the bible says satan and the fallen angels (demons) live in gloomy darkness .... all that we can gather from that ... is it is an unseeable realm for us.

So a "training camp" of some kind .... no .... satan and the fallen angels know very well what sin is (transgression of the law) and what their ultimate fate is.

Just as a personal side note .... it's interesting science knows about what they call "dark matter" .... they know it exists knows it has energy but can't see it .... I often wonder if this isn't the "gloomy darkness" the bible talks about ... who knows???

The war is between God and satan and mankind lives on the battlefield ... we look forward to the return of Jesus and when He ends this war for eternity .... AMEN!!!!!

Tomexor said:

Hi,

I would like to present/pose a question. I am no authority on theology by any means, just person who has had spiritual attacks on him and fought spiritually for few years now. I think this is an important question, as it is the very enemy we are fighting against. The Satan,Lucifer and others. They are not some kind of metaphor. They are real.
If you believe in God, in Christ, then you also believe in existence of these entities.Please, pray about knowing following question to Holy Spirit, about getting to know the truth of the following question, and please, pray for discernment and protection against spiritual enemies reading it - do it for me, for Christian, newcomer into your midsts, I cannot stress it enough, please pray for it in such a way -
1.for knowing truth about following,
2.for discernment from the Holy Spirit,
3.for delivery from pride in yourself and
4.for protection against spiritual enemies.
Otherwise, don't read it.
I don't say it all out of despair, but for your own protection, believe me.

The question and my hypothesis is this:
What do you think high ranking fallen angels are doing? What are their tasks? I mean, the Kingdom of God is of transparency and the kingdom of Satan is concealment and working in the shadows. Practically speaking, I think that one good guess would be that some of them have some small regions under their authority in certain countries (most likely Christian ones) and are training spirit soldiers to work against Christians worldwide (as they are the only ones that they truly fear, because of power of Christ granted to us to throw demons/unclean spirits out). Against the Christian mindset, way of living, way of thinking, emotions. Trained on human beings (on their minds, bodies, spirits, emotions, thoughts, thought patterns). Basically teaching (imposing -would be better word) all basis of spiritual warfare to spirits/demons under their yoke, for them to be of better use for high-ups in hierarchy and sending them then worldwide (spirits that are attached to human beings).
Some form of demonic camp. I mean, those organized legions need some training, right? It’s spiritual warfare after all. Satan is pratical, extremely intelligent and crafty being and what truly prevents humans from really grasping it is their pride and ego, and conformity in their belief. It also prevents spiritual growth, as adversity is what makes us grow, but how can it, if we don't even accept the fact of enemy existing? If such places would be revealed worldwide, then the yoke might end sooner, and we all will be better afterwards. So, my guess for location of certain fallen angels and location of such camps - Christian Country, region when there are no deliverance services present. It’s good metrics for revealing such a scheme I think (God willing).
Beside that, thank you for what you are doing and thank you for being.
God bless you.
Tomek, Bilgoraj region (23-400), Poland

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I like that you are inquisitive in trying to decipher what the fallen angels might be doing. I will attempt to add a little depth to give better context to this question.
First, some of the demons are bound in chains.
II Peter 2 "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;"
"And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Jude 6-7 (NASB)"

See When were the fallen angels who sinned imprisoned in the abyss?

Secondly, here is a take on a house divided against itself will not stand.
Luke 11:17-19 (KJV)
17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth. 18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub. 19 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.

My take is that Jesus knew that Satan's house was divided and it will not stand. To me it has to be. Satan the father of lies is the leader. Who really listens to a lying leader? Over centuries the demons know quite a bit. I imagine that their hierarchy and how they follow is based on fear and deception. They are somewhat out of control though there are different levels of demonic forces, likely the strong ones force their wills on the lower ones. Part of my reasoning is based on how you sometimes see things that do not make sense. An example would be a serial killer who in part is controlled by a spirit of murder. I have heard of such a serial killer before that after killing so many, they then take their own life. In some cases I think that the spirit of murder competes with the spirit of suicide. The latter is not too concerned with how many one kills, they are wanting suicide. So in a sense to me the devil's kingdom is sort of preprogrammed and not some vast network of perfect soldiers. They are still an alliance but not always working together.
I also tend to think that it is possible that Satan and the demons may believe they can achieve victory. I think some Satanists also believe this. That is why the demons keep trying so hard. The hatred and lack of God must set them in a frenzy.
A main purpose of God is to destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 3:8 (KJV)
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

God too has humiliated Satan and the fallen angels. They were above men, now they are below men. What Does the Bible Say About Are Humans Superior To Angels?

So while Satan tried to become God he got the lowest position, and a born again human is above the angels in Christ.
Part of your quest is about the ranks of demons and their organization. I do think there is some teaching on this as to what the principalities and rulers of darkness etc encompass. Some might for instance suggest that certain ones are over specific nations.

The main thing though is that we have the authority in the name of Jesus. Activated with faith, it is far more powerful. Because you have had to do spiritual warfare and know some things with certainty, perhaps you have a special calling to be able to help others beyond what is normal. I pray God reveals His will for this area and all others in your life. That you can find answers to all your questions and continue in God with a heart after Him. God bless!

Tomexor said:

Hi,

I would like to present/pose a question. I am no authority on theology by any means, just person who has had spiritual attacks on him and fought spiritually for few years now. I think this is an important question, as it is the very enemy we are fighting against. The Satan,Lucifer and others. They are not some kind of metaphor. They are real.
If you believe in God, in Christ, then you also believe in existence of these entities.Please, pray about knowing following question to Holy Spirit, about getting to know the truth of the following question, and please, pray for discernment and protection against spiritual enemies reading it - do it for me, for Christian, newcomer into your midsts, I cannot stress it enough, please pray for it in such a way -
1.for knowing truth about following,
2.for discernment from the Holy Spirit,
3.for delivery from pride in yourself and
4.for protection against spiritual enemies.
Otherwise, don't read it.
I don't say it all out of despair, but for your own protection, believe me.

The question and my hypothesis is this:
What do you think high ranking fallen angels are doing? What are their tasks? I mean, the Kingdom of God is of transparency and the kingdom of Satan is concealment and working in the shadows. Practically speaking, I think that one good guess would be that some of them have some small regions under their authority in certain countries (most likely Christian ones) and are training spirit soldiers to work against Christians worldwide (as they are the only ones that they truly fear, because of power of Christ granted to us to throw demons/unclean spirits out). Against the Christian mindset, way of living, way of thinking, emotions. Trained on human beings (on their minds, bodies, spirits, emotions, thoughts, thought patterns). Basically teaching (imposing -would be better word) all basis of spiritual warfare to spirits/demons under their yoke, for them to be of better use for high-ups in hierarchy and sending them then worldwide (spirits that are attached to human beings).
Some form of demonic camp. I mean, those organized legions need some training, right? It’s spiritual warfare after all. Satan is pratical, extremely intelligent and crafty being and what truly prevents humans from really grasping it is their pride and ego, and conformity in their belief. It also prevents spiritual growth, as adversity is what makes us grow, but how can it, if we don't even accept the fact of enemy existing? If such places would be revealed worldwide, then the yoke might end sooner, and we all will be better afterwards. So, my guess for location of certain fallen angels and location of such camps - Christian Country, region when there are no deliverance services present. It’s good metrics for revealing such a scheme I think (God willing).
Beside that, thank you for what you are doing and thank you for being.
God bless you.
Tomek, Bilgoraj region (23-400), Poland

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In my humble opinion, you give too much of your time on such things as fallen angels. We are not commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth to do this. We are commanded to spread His Gospel. As soon as your focus turns from the adversary to our Savior, I suspect all your visitations will disappear. I am certain of it.
Be blessed.

Richard T said:

My take is that Jesus knew that Satan's house was divided and it will not stand. To me it has to be. Satan the father of lies is the leader. Who really listens to a lying leader? Over centuries the demons know quite a bit. I imagine that their hierarchy and how they follow is based on fear and deception. They are somewhat out of control though there are different levels of demonic forces, likely the strong ones force their wills on the lower ones

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This is what i believe as well.

My wife had a dream earlier this year in which a demon attacked another woman (w) we know in real life ... And was also attacking the demon w was working with.

Upon praying about that dream, and my wife's observations and experiences in the dream: it became evident that the attacking demon, did not know it was being observed by my wife. For what its worth, the demon attacking w in the dream, my wife insists is the same demon that attacked her in a dream, 2 days before she miscarried.

Now, i know of a politician in real life who came up to me at church and introduced himself and his fiance to me. In them i felt the same spiritual presence as i felt in W, 12 years ago. It was creepy. I dont even know why he wanted to get to know me. (The only 2 people in my life ive ever felt a presence like that, in.)

A week before the election i was driving and saw one of his campaign posters, and i sensed that spirit around him, "on" his posters. I told it to leave him. The spirit protested and said "well i have to be able to influence someone"


And, as much as they are all liars.. that may be true. Mankind's collective sin means demons and higher ranking spirits are allowed to influence people and their leaders.

The politician is a christian, abet a liberal lgbt one (you have to be to win election in my state). I have seen him since then and did not feel that spirit on him. I also have not seen him with his fiance, but rather other women. (He did win with 66% of the vote)

I have half a mind to actually tell him these matters, not for the purpose of boasting about it but to warn him about W ans people like her who have spiritual power and miss use it.

johansen said:

This is what i believe as well.

My wife had a dream earlier this year in which a demon attacked another woman (w) we know in real life ... And was also attacking the demon w was working with.

Upon praying about that dream, and my wife's observations and experiences in the dream: it became evident that the attacking demon, did not know it was being observed by my wife. For what its worth, the demon attacking w in the dream, my wife insists is the same demon that attacked her in a dream, 2 days before she miscarried.

Now, i know of a politician in real life who came up to me at church and introduced himself and his fiance to me. In them i felt the same spiritual presence as i felt in W, 12 years ago. It was creepy. I dont even know why he wanted to get to know me. (The only 2 people in my life ive ever felt a presence like that, in.)

A week before the election i was driving and saw one of his campaign posters, and i sensed that spirit around him, "on" his posters. I told it to leave him. The spirit protested and said "well i have to be able to influence someone"


And, as much as they are all liars.. that may be true. Mankind's collective sin means demons and higher ranking spirits are allowed to influence people and their leaders.

The politician is a christian, abet a liberal lgbt one (you have to be to win election in my state). I have seen him since then and did not feel that spirit on him. I also have not seen him with his fiance, but rather other women. (He did win with 66% of the vote)

I have half a mind to actually tell him these matters, not for the purpose of boasting about it but to warn him about W ans people like her who have spiritual power and miss use it.

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It sounds like you have some great discernment but I do hope you know your authority in the name of Jesus so that you can insure the peace of God rules even more in those tough situations. I was once attacked in my sleep and Prayed to God for more power. That Wed night at the church a minister came to me and said that God wanted me to know that I already had the power. We all kind of know that, but like the disciples head knowledge in casting them out only goes so far. We really do have authority in Christ and we can stop all the activity we can believe for. God bless and thanks for sharing your experience and confirmation.