Why voting is loving your neighbor this election season

Michie · Oct 24, 2024

Up to 104 million Americans who consider themselves people of faith, including 32 million Christian churchgoers, are projected to abstain from voting in November, according to a recent survey. This number is a sad reflection of the state of the American church, and the blame is placed on both those in the pews and in the pulpit who have deceived themselves into believing that faith and politics should be separate.

If every Christian in America voted and supported candidates and policies that most aligned with biblical values, we would live in a fundamentally different country. The United States has a long history of Christian civic engagement and was forged by bold believers who were strong in their convictions and active in the political process.

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Why voting is loving your neighbor this election season

This number is a sad reflection of the state of the American church, and the blame is placed on both those in the pews and in the pulpit who have deceived themselves into believing that faith and

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Fantine · Oct 24, 2024

The party you describe as pro-life made the mistake of nominating a felon convicted of 34 charges, who lost $500 million lawsuits for tax evasion, who was only protected from many other indictments because of his hand-picked Supreme Court judges and $100 million of lawyers. But hey, maybe he's pro-life. He described himself as the father of IVF and said he would vote against a Florida referendum loosening their abortion restrictions.
The candidate you describe as pro-life asked during his previous term why he just couldn't call up the national guard to shoot protesters. Who wanted to deny FEMA relief to Californians hit by forest fires because they didn't vote for him. Who locked up immigrant children in cages separated from their families.
Is it any wonder that most Christians can't bring themselves to vote for him?
They oppose Harris because of her position on abortion, and that is their right. But the idea that any Christian could possibly think of Trump as a viable alternative is beyond my belief.

Michie · Oct 24, 2024

Fantine said:
The party you describe as pro-life made the mistake of nominating a felon convicted of 34 charges, who lost $500 million lawsuits for tax evasion, who was only protected from many other indictments because of his hand-picked Supreme Court judges and $100 million of lawyers. But hey, maybe he's pro-life. He described himself as the father of IVF and said he would vote against a Florida referendum loosening their abortion restrictions.
The candidate you describe as pro-life asked during his previous term why he just couldn't call up the national guard to shoot protesters. Who wanted to deny FEMA relief to Californians hit by forest fires because they didn't vote for him. Who locked up immigrant children in cages separated from their families.
Is it any wonder that most Christians can't bring themselves to vote for him?
They oppose Harris because of her position on abortion, and that is their right. But the idea that any Christian could possibly think of Trump as a viable alternative is beyond my belief.

Fantine- can you discern an author from an article from the poster of an article? I mean… lol.

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 24, 2024

Fantine said:
They oppose Harris because of her position on abortion, and that is their right. But the idea that any Christian could possibly think of Trump as a viable alternative is beyond my belief.

I do not blame many "up to 104 million Americans who consider themselves people of faith, including 32 million Christian churchgoers" for abstaining. Trump is a compulsive liar who admired Hitler and aspires to be Putin. Harris is a champion for the right to end life in the womb.

It comes down to an unspeakable choice between two dark and disturbing choices.
But with Harris at least the chances are good that we will continue as a democracy. With Trump and no guardrails, no "adults in the room with him", his expressed intention to use the military on "the enemy within" such as Pelosi and Adam Schiff, well there is good reason to be concerned about all our freedoms.

So I do not think "This number is a sad reflection of the state of the American church, and the blame is placed on both those in the pews and in the pulpit". Rather, the blame should b placed on the American people who brought these two candidates to prominence.

mourningdove~ · Oct 24, 2024

Michie said:
Up to 104 million Americans who consider themselves people of faith, including 32 million Christian churchgoers, are projected to abstain from voting in November, according to a recent survey. This number is a sad reflection of the state of the American church, and the blame is placed on both those in the pews and in the pulpit who have deceived themselves into believing that faith and politics should be separate.

If every Christian in America voted and supported candidates and policies that most aligned with biblical values, we would live in a fundamentally different country. The United States has a long history of Christian civic engagement and was forged by bold believers who were strong in their convictions and active in the political process.

Continued below.

Why voting is loving your neighbor this election season

This number is a sad reflection of the state of the American church, and the blame is placed on both those in the pews and in the pulpit who have deceived themselves into believing that faith and

www.christianpost.com

When the election is over, I want to hear NO complaints from the persons who did not vote. In choosing to not vote, they have chosen not 'to help'. Somehow they saw no difference between the two candidates, and so they did nothing. Fine. It is their option, of course. But along with choosing not to vote did they lose their right to complain, because they chose to do nothing to try to make things better.

This is an election where one candidate does offer 'a better' over 'a worse'. If persons cannot see this, perhaps they are not looking closely enough. And so maybe then it is best for them not to vote, and just live with the consequences that others have decided for them.

Fantine · Oct 24, 2024

Michie said:
Fantine- can you discern an author from an article from the poster of an article? I mean… lol.

The article wouldn't open earlier.

But Josh Hawley's wife? The Republican candidate cheered on an insurrection that sent her husband--in a very memorable video--running for his life.

Richard T · Oct 24, 2024

I am all for people voting but I do wonder if some people have attached idolatrous notions to these Presidential candidates and what they can do? Is there a command in the bible to vote or even to have representative democracy? Is it loving your neighbor to vote? Would a vote for Trump be loving to our Ukrainian neighbors? Is self-centeredness on America neighborly? Abortion rights absolutely are not loving, unless to save the life of the mother perhaps. Is busting the budget love? Anyway, I pray everyone does according to their conscience and not because of some external force or wild feeling that you are going to save America with either candidate. Saving a nation and good governance comes through prayer and trust in God first, perhaps voting is secondary to that.

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 29, 2024

Richard T said:
I am all for people voting but I do wonder if some people have attached idolatrous notions to these Presidential candidates and what they can do? Is there a command in the bible to vote or even to have representative democracy? Is it loving your neighbor to vote? Would a vote for Trump be loving to our Ukrainian neighbors? Is self-centeredness on America neighborly? Abortion rights absolutely are not loving, unless to save the life of the mother perhaps. Is busting the budget love? Anyway, I pray everyone does according to their conscience and not because of some external force or wild feeling that you are going to save America with either candidate. Saving a nation and good governance comes through prayer and trust in God first, perhaps voting is secondary to that.

What we need are people who can talk with those on the other side of the isle.

RileyG · Oct 29, 2024

Fantine said:
The party you describe as pro-life made the mistake of nominating a felon convicted of 34 charges, who lost $500 million lawsuits for tax evasion, who was only protected from many other indictments because of his hand-picked Supreme Court judges and $100 million of lawyers. But hey, maybe he's pro-life. He described himself as the father of IVF and said he would vote against a Florida referendum loosening their abortion restrictions.
The candidate you describe as pro-life asked during his previous term why he just couldn't call up the national guard to shoot protesters. Who wanted to deny FEMA relief to Californians hit by forest fires because they didn't vote for him. Who locked up immigrant children in cages separated from their families.
Is it any wonder that most Christians can't bring themselves to vote for him?
They oppose Harris because of her position on abortion, and that is their right. But the idea that any Christian could possibly think of Trump as a viable alternative is beyond my belief.

Do you believe people are capable of repentance?

RoBo1988 · Oct 29, 2024

Richard T said:
Anyway, I pray everyone does according to their conscience and not because of some external force or wild feeling that you are going to save America with either candidate. Saving a nation and good governance comes through prayer and trust in God first, perhaps voting is secondary to that.

I am soon becoming a protected class in this country - a retiree, so most of what happens will not affect me other than inflation.

I believe we are living in Isaiah 5:20-21 times. Anything I can do to stem the tide of debauchery, and perversion I will do, even if it means voting for a "convicted felon", since his opponent, promotes and celebrates it.

Jeremiah 29:7 calls us to participate in our community; in our country.

Richard T · Oct 31, 2024

RoBo1988 said:
I am soon becoming a protected class in this country - a retiree, so most of what happens will not affect me other than inflation.

I believe we are living in Isaiah 5:20-21 times. Anything I can do to stem the tide of debauchery, and perversion I will do, even if it means voting for a "convicted felon", since his opponent, promotes and celebrates it.

Jeremiah 29:7 calls us to participate in our community; in our country.

Well if they did the cost of living increase correctly, inflation should not affect retirees. Currently, at least there is an adjustment. I was not familiar with the Jer 29:7 verse. Thanks for sharing it.

Stephen3141 · Nov 2, 2024

Michie said:
Up to 104 million Americans who consider themselves people of faith, including 32 million Christian churchgoers, are projected to abstain from voting in November, according to a recent survey. This number is a sad reflection of the state of the American church, and the blame is placed on both those in the pews and in the pulpit who have deceived themselves into believing that faith and politics should be separate.

If every Christian in America voted and supported candidates and policies that most aligned with biblical values, we would live in a fundamentally different country. The United States has a long history of Christian civic engagement and was forged by bold believers who were strong in their convictions and active in the political process.

Continued below.

Why voting is loving your neighbor this election season

This number is a sad reflection of the state of the American church, and the blame is placed on both those in the pews and in the pulpit who have deceived themselves into believing that faith and

www.christianpost.com

The foundation of biblical values, requires first a sound view of our
shared reality, and what objective perception of that reality is,
and what truth is.

A personal opinion can only be asserted to be true, after rigorous
testing. And this rigorous method of testing is the method of the
fair rule of law in America, in a court of law.

That is, the fair rule of law in America is based on rigorously tested truth,
as evidence. Without this rigorously tested truth, there can be no justice
from the fair rule of law.
---------- ----------

Those who are anti-intellectual, and bypass the rigorous testing of truth,
cannot possibly uphold the fair rule of law in America.

Those who appeal to conspiracy theories as support for "truth", are
appealing to opinions that do not meet the rigorous test of truth. This is
why Trump's dozens of lawsuits claiming fraud in the 2020 election, were
rejected by judges as being "without merit" or "frivolous".

Being popular does not make a conspiracy theory true.
Being repeated hundreds of times a day, does not make a conspiracy
theory true.

Trump cannot tolerate fact checking during debates, becasue so much
of what he claims is ridiculous falsehoods.

As many of Trump's inner advisors have testified, in the past months,
Trump is not concerned with what is true, or false.

And with this attitude, he can NEVER uphold the fair rule of law in
America. The fair rule of law requires true evidence, as input.
---------- ----------

Making the argument that American christians should vote for a
candidate who upholds who upholds Christian values, is not particularly
relevant in this election (sorry to be so blunt). Trump is not a Christian,
and has shown that he lives a profligate life. Kamala Harris is not a
Christian, or at least has not run as one. (Biden is not a Catholic
Christian, even though he claimed to be one.)

What Christians need most of all, in America, is a candidate who upholds the
fair rule of law in America (so that Christians may have freedom of religion).
Harris has upheld the fair rule of law.
Trump has threatened judges and their families, and incited a lynch mob
at the Capital Building, which was ready to lynch democratically elected
members of the United States government. Trump lives as if he is ABOVE
the fair rule of law, not upholding it.
---------- ----------

There is nothing wrong, Mitchie, with your appeal for Christian to vote.
Christians should vote.

But, voting to keep the fair rule of law in America is the most important
thing for Christians, in deciding which candidate to vote for. And this is a
very clear choice.

So many of the conservative Republicans have broken with the MAGA
Republican Party, to vote for the candidate for law and order, which is
Kamala Harris. And, Harris has welcomed these conservative voters.
She has promised that her government will be a government of consensus,
and not of partisan politics.

This attitude is much more conservative that the MAGA conspiracy theories,
and the threats of violence is they do not get their way.

There is nothing radical, about this type of democratic consensus.
It is more conservative than Donald Trump. And much, much more lawful.

RoBo1988 · Nov 2, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
The foundation of biblical values, requires first a sound view of our
shared reality, and what objective perception of that reality is,
and what truth is.

A personal opinion can only be asserted to be true, after rigorous
testing. And this rigorous method of testing is the method of the
fair rule of law in America, in a court of law.

That is, the fair rule of law in America is based on rigorously tested truth,
as evidence. Without this rigorously tested truth, there can be no justice
from the fair rule of law.
---------- ----------

Those who are anti-intellectual, and bypass the rigorous testing of truth,
cannot possibly uphold the fair rule of law in America.

Those who appeal to conspiracy theories as support for "truth", are
appealing to opinions that do not meet the rigorous test of truth. This is
why Trump's dozens of lawsuits claiming fraud in the 2020 election, were
rejected by judges as being "without merit" or "frivolous".

Being popular does not make a conspiracy theory true.
Being repeated hundreds of times a day, does not make a conspiracy
theory true.

Trump cannot tolerate fact checking during debates, becasue so much
of what he claims is ridiculous falsehoods.

As many of Trump's inner advisors have testified, in the past months,
Trump is not concerned with what is true, or false.

And with this attitude, he can NEVER uphold the fair rule of law in
America. The fair rule of law requires true evidence, as input.
---------- ----------

Making the argument that American christians should vote for a
candidate who upholds who upholds Christian values, is not particularly
relevant in this election (sorry to be so blunt). Trump is not a Christian,
and has shown that he lives a profligate life. Kamala Harris is not a
Christian, or at least has not run as one. (Biden is not a Catholic
Christian, even though he claimed to be one.)

What Christians need most of all, in America, is a candidate who upholds the
fair rule of law in America (so that Christians may have freedom of religion).
Harris has upheld the fair rule of law.
Trump has threatened judges and their families, and incited a lynch mob
at the Capital Building, which was ready to lynch democratically elected
members of the United States government. Trump lives as if he is ABOVE
the fair rule of law, not upholding it.
---------- ----------

There is nothing wrong, Mitchie, with your appeal for Christian to vote.
Christians should vote.

But, voting to keep the fair rule of law in America is the most important
thing for Christians, in deciding which candidate to vote for. And this is a
very clear choice.

So many of the conservative Republicans have broken with the MAGA
Republican Party, to vote for the candidate for law and order, which is
Kamala Harris. And, Harris has welcomed these conservative voters.
She has promised that her government will be a government of consensus,
and not of partisan politics.

This attitude is much more conservative that the MAGA conspiracy theories,
and the threats of violence is they do not get their way.

There is nothing radical, about this type of democratic consensus.
It is more conservative than Donald Trump. And much, much more lawful.

Does the "rule of law" include supporting bail funds for violent rioters, destroying public and private property?

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