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I was quoting Karl Marx. You know?...the father of communism in his book about communism?
I know who you were quoting. It was utter balderdash. YOu'll note I explained the basic premise of communism. And then you don't address the meat of the argument.

We are talking about Elon Musk, not Mark Zuckerberg. Please stay on topic.
Please address the point.
It is actually 80% less of what Twitter was. Get your facts straight.
ROFL! Great. Just great.

Thank you for the correction that illustrates my counterpoint better.
Mainly because it went private
Making stuff up ain't gonna work.
X now worth only 25% of what Elon Musk paid for it

What caused X’s value to decrease?​

The value of X's shares actually increased by about 22 per cent immediately following Musk’s announcement to acquire the company, then known as Twitter.
Oh! Interesting. The share value INCREASED FAscinating.

However, share prices began to fall again following several controversial decisions by Musk: chief among them was the decision to rebrand Twitter to X, changing the company’s name and logo.

Some experts expressed concern with the decision at the time, arguing that the Twitter brand was too recognisable to change.

Musk also completely revamped the platform’s verification system.
OH! Poor decision making eh? I guess he figured people would love racist people spouting off nonsense and it gettin pushed onto them.

Elon didn't buy it to make a profit.
Ahhh...what we can make ourselves believe...that a billionaire would CHOOSE to lose 40 billion of value.

Of course he bought it to make a profit...and to satisfy some silly pecadillos (he always wanted a company named "X").
 
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I know who you were quoting. It was utter balderdash. YOu'll note I explained the basic premise of communism. And then you don't address the meat of the argument.


Please address the point.

ROFL! Great. Just great.

Thank you for the correction that illustrates my counterpoint better.

Making stuff up ain't gonna work.
X now worth only 25% of what Elon Musk paid for it

Oh! Interesting. The share value INCREASED FAscinating.


OH! Poor decision making eh? I guess he figured people would love racist people spouting off nonsense and it gettin pushed onto them.


Ahhh...what we can make ourselves believe...that a billionaire would CHOOSE to lose 40 billion of value.

Of course he bought it to make a profit...and to satisfy some silly pecadillos (he always wanted a company named "X").
You still have not answered the question as to your definition of a "living wage."
 
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You still have not answered the question as to your definition of a "living wage."
My thinking is that MIT could answer that question better than me.

So here is the website. Figure out what MIT got wrong and talk to them about it.

Living Wage Calculator

Too often these "what is a living wage" argument is just a thinly veiled excuse to keep workers poor.
 
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My thinking is that MIT could answer that question better than me.

So here is the website. Figure out what MIT got wrong and talk to them about it.

Living Wage Calculator

Too often these "what is a living wage" argument is just a thinly veiled excuse to keep workers poor.
So what is the living wage for San Francisco?
 
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So what is the living wage for San Francisco?
So what's stopping you from finding out on your own and then getting back to the discussion of whether a worker deserves the right to unionize and fight for a higher wage.
 
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So what's stopping you from finding out on your own and then getting back to the discussion of whether a worker deserves the right to unionize and fight for a higher wage.
Because there is a huge gap that defines what a "living wage" is, so I am not going to argue with your Strawman. As far as I am concerned, the "living wage" in San Francisco is sky-high thanks to democratic policies. Regardless, I challenge you to provide evidence that Elon Musk deliberately tried to deny former Twitter employees their "living wages" solely for political reasons, regardless of the fact that Twitter employees were being paid far higher than what you'd consider to be a "living wage. Otherwise, you'd be jumping into a conversation that is beyond the scope of the topic solely to create an off-topic argument.

So again, I ask, what is the "living wage" in San Fransisco? Otherwise, how else can you demonstrate that Elon Musk was deliberately denying it to the former Twitter employees he fired?

Also, don't think I did not notice that you jumped into a conversation between myself and @loveofourlord . Their inability to respond is not in invitation for you to act like a hero to come to their rescue. I say this because you have demonstrated no supporting evidence, just baseless arguments for arguments sake.
 
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Because there is a huge gap that defines what a "living wage" is, so I am not going to argue with your Strawman. As far as I am concerned, the "living wage" in San Francisco is sky-high thanks to democratic policies. Regardless, I challenge you to provide evidence that Elon Musk deliberately tried to deny former Twitter employees their "living wages" solely for political reasons, regardless of the fact that Twitter employees were being paid far higher than what you'd consider to be a "living wage. Otherwise, you'd be jumping into a conversation that is beyond the scope of the topic solely to create an off-topic argument.

So again, I ask, what is the "living wage" in San Fransisco? Otherwise, how else can you demonstrate that Elon Musk was deliberately denying it to the former Twitter employees he fired?

Also, don't think I did not notice that you jumped into a conversation between myself and @loveofourlord . Their inability to respond is not in invitation for you to act like a hero to come to their rescue. I say this because you have demonstrated no supporting evidence, just baseless arguments for arguments sake.
Lol.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him click a link to the evidence he's requesting.
 
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Lol.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him click a link to the evidence he's requesting.
Your "evidence" explains how a "living wage" is calculated. It doesn't tell me what the "living wage" is in San Francisco. I am being told that Elon Musk deliberately refused to provide a living wage to his employees and you jumped into the conversation like some kind of hero. So the burden of proof is on you to show me the numbers, not the formula. I am not doing your homework for you. I don't blame you though. Because I am fairly certain that Twitter employees were being paid very handsomely above the "living wage."
 
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Your "evidence" explains how a "living wage" is calculated. It doesn't tell me what the "living wage" is in San Francisco. I am being told that Elon Musk deliberately refused to provide a living wage to his employees and you jumped into the conversation like some kind of hero. So the burden of proof is on you to show me the numbers, not the formula. I am not doing your homework for you. I don't blame you though. Because I am fairly certain that Twitter employees were being paid very handsomely above the "living wage."
I linked to the page with the numbers on it.
 
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So what's stopping you from finding out on your own and then getting back to the discussion of whether a worker deserves the right to unionize and fight for a higher wage.

So based on the agreed definition of "living wage" Twitter employees' salaries well exceeded the "living wage." So please point to the evidence that proves Elon Musk fired 80% of the Twitter staff because he wanted to deny people of a living wage.
 
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So based on the agreed definition of "living wage" Twitter employees' salaries well exceeded the "living wage." So please point to the evidence that proves Elon Musk fired 80% of the Twitter staff because he wanted to deny people of a living wage.
Huh. I honestly don't recall arguing that point...ever.
I injected myself into a conversation you were having with someone else in Post 37. I didn't argue about a "living wage" so much as "comparing the worker's wage to those higher up.
 
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Huh. I honestly don't recall arguing that point...ever.
I injected myself into a conversation you were having with someone else in Post 37. I didn't argue about a "living wage" so much as "comparing the worker's wage to those higher up.
That was the argument you blindly jumped into. I hope you enjoyed whatever you were trying to accomplish. Whatever that was.
 
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