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Colorado Supreme Court dismisses case against Christian cake baker

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CV NEWS FEED // The Colorado Supreme Court has dismissed a lawsuit filed against a Christian baker who refused to make a pro-transgender cake, on the grounds that the plaintiff did not follow the proper filing process.

This is the third such legal case in the past 12 years related to Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, and his right to free speech.

“Enough is enough. Jack has been dragged through courts for over a decade. It’s time to leave him alone,” stated Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) Senior Counsel Jake Warner in an October 8 press release after the decision. “Free speech is for everyone.”

ADF attorneys have been representing Phillips since the first lawsuit was filed against him in 2012. Phillips refused to create a custom cake in celebration of a same-sex wedding on the grounds that such an action violated his Christian beliefs. The Colorado Civil Rights Commission filed a lawsuit against Phillips in response. That case escalated to the US Supreme Court, which sided with Phillips in 2018.

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Before the 1960s, the unwritten rule was that the owner of a business had the right to refuse service to anybody, at any time, for any reason. But after the civil rights laws were passed banning the refusal of service to Blacks (which was a good thing, don't get me wrong), the rule has expanded to the point where the owner of a business has no right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

And, just like in many cases, once the prevailing culture replaces self-control with self-indulgence, the rules become distorted, and things that were supposed to protect consumers from unfair discrimination become things that favor certain subsets of the population over others, and hurts business owners in the process, instead.

Remember "No shirt, no shoes, no service"? That's still in effect, but it's about the only one.
 
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Before the 1960s, the unwritten rule was that the owner of a business had the right to refuse service to anybody, at any time, for any reason. But after the civil rights laws were passed banning the refusal of service to Blacks (which was a good thing, don't get me wrong), the rule has expanded to the point where the owner of a business has no right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

And, just like in many cases, once the prevailing culture replaces self-control with self-indulgence, the rules become distorted, and things that were supposed to protect consumers from unfair discrimination become things that favor certain subsets of the population over others, and hurts business owners in the process, instead.

Remember "No shirt, no shoes, no service"? That's still in effect, but it's about the only one.
I see people in places of business with profanity and vulgar phrases on their shirts I find highly offensive.
 
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Before the 1960s, the unwritten rule was that the owner of a business had the right to refuse service to anybody, at any time, for any reason. But after the civil rights laws were passed banning the refusal of service to Blacks (which was a good thing, don't get me wrong), the rule has expanded to the point where the owner of a business has no right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

And, just like in many cases, once the prevailing culture replaces self-control with self-indulgence, the rules become distorted, and things that were supposed to protect consumers from unfair discrimination become things that favor certain subsets of the population over others, and hurts business owners in the process, instead.

Remember "No shirt, no shoes, no service"? That's still in effect, but it's about the only one.
It's more complex than that. Most businesses can't discriminate against classes of people, though the list differs from state to state. Colorado is on safe ground to include LGBT people in that. The issue is forced expression. While you can walk into a tee shirt shop and buy any shirt they have, getting them to create a special one with "gay people are great" may violate the 1st amendment, because you are trying to force them to create a message they disagree with. The Supreme Court hasn't yet ruled on whether cake makers are included. In the original case, a gay couple could have bought any existing cake in the shop. The question was whether sponsoring a custom cake for a gay wedding was forced by the anti-discrimination law. Had the Supreme Court looked at the merits, they would have had to decide whether this constituted forced expression. The specifics of the case made that a difficult call, though the current Supreme Court likely would have ruled in favor of the cake maker. That assumes that they don'[t decide to rule anti-discrimination laws unconstitutional as a whole, which is certianly possible given the nature of this court.
 
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I see people in places of business with profanity and vulgar phrases on their shirts I find highly offensive.
I agree. It's unprofessional.
 
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More than just cake bakers have been harassed and or sued for not doing something they didn't want to do.
Florists, photographers, pizza parlors etc.
 
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