Ten Kingdoms In The End Times

I don’t know who these ten kingdoms are, but perhaps these represent the whole world with the exception of the Elect who will not bow to the Antichrist.

—Selah

jasmine_childoftheking said:

I had the same thought. Though Jesus did say that even the elect will be deceived. Perhaps that will be at the start of the Tribulation. Then midpoint, they might realize the truth.

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But we need to remember that those chosen in Christ have been: predestined, called, justified, and will eventually be glorified (Romans 8:30). They belong to Christ. He will lose not one. (John 10:28).

[Matthew 24:24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

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Selah

jasmine_childoftheking said:

I had the same thought. Though Jesus did say that even the elect will be deceived. Perhaps that will be at the start of the Tribulation. Then midpoint, they might realize the truth.

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Where does Jesus say that the elect will be deceived? I know where He said that if it were possible the elect would be deceived:

“"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.” (Mr 13:22 NKJV)

That's rather different to saying that the elect would be deceived.

@Selah said:

My understanding is that these are ten kingdoms that rule at the very end; they rule for that one “hour of temptation“ with the Antichrist. The Antichrist beast must appear first and it is the Antichrist who will give them their power.

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No, the 10 = a Completion of the reunification of Rome (the E.U.) and thus notice in Dan. 7:7-8 the Little Horn arises after the 10, meaning he is born in the 10 (E.U.) and Dan. 8:9 mandates he must be born in Greece, and Greece is in the E.U.

The part about ruling ONE HOUR (42 months) with the Beast, simply means as a Beast over Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region (THE MANY). It has nothing to do with them n0t already having power per se, the rule of the 7 Headed 10 Horned Beast ONLY PERTAINS unto Israel, that is why the British Empire nor the Ottoman Empire were Beasts.

Remember, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing.

1Thessalonians 5:3- When they say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them...and THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE.
Amos 5:8-9-8 Seek him that makes the seven stars (by allegory 7 angels of the Gentile Church-Revelation 1:20) and Orion (Jewish Church-the remnant-Isaiah1:9 & Amos 5:2-3), and turns the shadow of death into the morning, and makes the day dark with night: that calls for the waters of the sea (Gentile peoples/believers), and pours them out upon the face of the earth: The Lord is His name: 9-That strengthens the spoiled against the strong, so that the spoiled shall come against the fortress.

Zephaniah 1:12-18
12 And it shall come to pass at that time(the current time), that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The Lord will not do good, neither will he do evil.
13 Therefore their goods shall become a booty, and their houses a desolation (Mat.24:15-25): they shall also build houses, but not inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, but not drink the wine thereof.
14 The great Day of the Lord is near, it is near,and hastes greatly (i.e.the 7th and last Day, or 7th and last millennium) even the voice of the Day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly(Revelation 6:13-17)
15 That Day is a Day of WRATH(Revelation 11:18), a Day of trouble and distress, a Day of wasteness and desolation, a Day of darkness and gloominess, a Day of clouds and thick darkness,
16A Day of Trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the Day of the Lord's WRATH (the CURRENT 7th Day); but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of His jealousy: for He shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Get ready

Oseas said:

No dear Alex, the BRICS will NEVER be what you are imagining it comes to be. The 10 horns -10 kings- from which will rise up the little horn, the eleventh horn, they are not linked with Gentile peoples by no manner of means.

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Interesting that BRICS is mentioned.

I tell you something else that is interesting, look at the G10, and that has 11 members.

jasmine_childoftheking said:

I do not believe this has been discussed. So I thought I would pose the question that got me thinking.

Daniel and Revelation talks about ten kingdoms. There's been a lot of debate about what the ten kingdoms might be. Is it talking about the whole world? If it is, how could it be with only seven continents? Would some some of the continents like Europe and Asian be broken up?

So what could Daniel and Revelation be referring to when it talks about ten kingdoms in the last days?"

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I believe they could be Technocratic leaders. These are leaders in industry, finance, etc. These 10 horns/kings serve Daniel's 4th Kingdom. In Revelation 17 it is shown they don't have "royal power" until they receive it from the Beast.

Revelation 17 11As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction. 12And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast.

jasmine_childoftheking said:

I do not believe this has been discussed. So I thought I would pose the question that got me thinking.

Daniel and Revelation talks about ten kingdoms. There's been a lot of debate about what the ten kingdoms might be. Is it talking about the whole world? If it is, how could it be with only seven continents? Would some some of the continents like Europe and Asian be broken up?

So what could Daniel and Revelation be referring to when it talks about ten kingdoms in the last days?"

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Something I was researching might give us an idea. In the Old Testament, during the reign of Hezekiah, Israel’s most righteous king after David, the Assyrian Empire was conquering the Middle East and claiming its role as the first “world” empire. Assyria stretched from Persia and Media in the east to Scythia in the north, to Anatolia in the west, and Egypt in the south.

The reason this is relevant is because all these kingdoms often revolted against Assyria. A frequent revolutionary was Babylonia. Assyria was a destroyer of nations and cultures, insisting the Assyrian gods killed the gods of the other nations. The nations resented Assyria for it, even though they were doing what God designed them for: They were destroying idols and setting the stage for God to show His glory to the nations.

After God destroyed 185,000 of Sennacherib’s soldiers outside Jerusalem, the king of Judah at that time revolted against Egypt and aligned with Babylon. After the Assyrian army was destroyed, the Babylonian alliance threw off the Assyrian yoke and later conquered the territories occupied by the Assyrians. Funny how a conqueror can feel like a liberator. Does that sound familiar?

So, if we consider that Iran’s Islamic jihad forces are the antitype of the Assyrian army, we can expect nations they occupy will be the ten-horned beast. Iranians (Persians) hate them. Armenians (Scythians) hate them. Lebanon hates them. Jordan hates them. Syria hates them. Egypt paid a large price for normalization with Israel. The Yemeni hate them. The Kurds (Anatolia) hate them. Saudi Arabia is seeking normalization with Israel. And the United States hates them (9/11).

The key thing that must happen first is for God to demonstrate His glory in the destruction of the “Assyrian” army outside Jerusalem. Revelation 12:16, IMO likens it to the earth swallowing them up (a nod to the rebellion at Korah, where Dathan tried to lead the Israelites back to Egypt). In the days of Hezekiah, when Sennacherib besieged Jerusalem, Isaiah warned him not to flee to Egypt or seek Pharaoh for help. God Is going to glorify Himself in the destruction of that massive army.

That is why all eyes are on Lebanon. The northern horde of Joel 2 will come through Lebanon and/or Syria. Check Zechariah 11-12. Lebanon burns and then nations besiege Jerusalem. Then God judges those nations and pours out His Spirit on the house of Judah and the house of Jerusalem. Then we will see the ten-nation alliance throw off the “Assyrian” yoke and establish “peace” through a united global governance and censorship. Just like Babylon.

These are my interpretations and nothing I’m holding too tight to. Looking forward to your thoughts.

My current take on the ten horns. I’m flexible, of course, and not certain on the eastern two. Could be Iraq and Iran. Jordan could be noncombatant, as has been the case in recent history. It’s military also isn’t the biggest in the region.

My thoughts are that these kingdoms will unite against Islamist jihad regimes. After the northern horde falls (Joel 2), I think they might go on a witch hunt to snuff out remaining regimes throughout the world. I think Muslim countries will have the biggest heartburn with this, which would explain why the eleventh horn supplants three other horns. Somehow, there still only remains ten horns instead of 8. This tells me two others are replaced.

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My current take on the ten horns. I’m flexible, of course, and not certain on the eastern two. Could be Iraq and Iran. Jordan could be noncombatant, as has been the case in recent history. It’s military also isn’t the biggest in the region.

My thoughts are that these kingdoms will unite against Islamist jihad regimes. After the northern horde falls (Joel 2), I think they might go on a witch hunt to snuff out remaining regimes throughout the world. I think Muslim countries will have the biggest heartburn with this, which would explain why the eleventh horn supplants three other horns. Somehow, there still only remains ten horns instead of 8. This tells me two others are replaced.

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Let me give you my take on these things, based on what the scriptures say.
The beast from the sea, Rev 13, having 7 heads, 10 horns and 10 crowns upon his horns, is one of the 4 beasts that Daniel saw rise up from the sea.

Dan 7:3 KJV And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

These 4 beasts rise collectively in the last days. The beast from the sea that has 7 heads is the 7th head found within the great image. This great image represents what will befall Daniel's people in the last days:

Dan 2:28 KJV But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

Dan 2:38 KJV And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

The beasts shall rule over where soever the "children of men dwell". At the time of Nebuchadnezzar, the children of Israel dwelt within the confines of his kingdom, having conquered the Assyrians, the kingdom that took the 10 tribes into exile. By the time of the 1st advent, Jews dwelt throughout the Roman empire. And now (today) dwell throughout the whole world. They will be summoned to return in the last days with the building of the third temple. Coming to the temple of God three times a year, is a divine imperative upon all Jewish males to go to "the place where God shall put his name", according to the book of Deuteronony.

But on one of their 3 yearly mandated pilgrimage to Jerusalem, they (the elect remnant) will be scattered into the 4 winds of heaven:

Eze 5:10 KJV Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.

The whole remnant represents the elect remnant chosen to salvation. This will happen when the Deliverer comes to Zion, (Jerusalem) and turns away ungodliness from Jacob, and then all Israel (the whole remnant) will be saved.

Rom 11:25-26 KJV 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Mat 24:30-31 KJV 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL THE TRIBES of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his ELECT from the FOUR WINDS, from one end of heaven to the other.

The 4 beasts of Daniel 7 represent the kingdoms where the elect children of Israel will be scattered in the last days, when the Deliverer comes to Zion. The realms (dominions) of the four beasts are represented by the 4 kings that shall rise up in the last days when the combined "one world government" of the great image of Daniel 2 are broken at the same time (into the kingdoms of the 4 beasts).

Dan 2:45 KJV Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

The 4th kingdom of the 10 horns/ toes, shall unite the 4 kingdoms of Daniel 2 into a unified attack upon Israel. The great image (kingdom) shall be seen (briefly) when this 7th head unites them together. The little horn supplants/ uproots three of the 10 horns of this 7th head.

Dan 7:20 KJV And of the ten horns that were in his HEAD, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

But it will be at the rising of the 4 beasts/ kingdoms, that one beast will subdue the other 3:

Dan 7:24 KJV And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The supplanting of the 3 horns is not the same as the subduing of the other 3 kingdoms. Notice what it said in Dan 7:24: "... another shall rise after THEM..." The "them" refers to the kingdom of the 10 horns, ANOTHER shall rise AFTER them! That will be the 4th king (reigning over the 4th kingdom/ beast). These 4 kings will rise up with the destruction of the great image by the great stone kingdom of Christ. He will then subdue the other 3 kingdoms:

Dan 7:12 KJV As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Who is the 4th beast of these 4 kings that shall arise at this time? He is the ram that has two horns, one higher than the other. That is the kingdom of the Medes and Persians.

Dan 8:20 KJV The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

Rev 13:11 KJV And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

This beast that comes out of the earth is that "another king that rises after the little horn (and 10 horns) " The three horns that are uprooted(supplanted) are the kingdoms of the 10 horn kingdom that will unite to resurrect the kingdom of the Medes and Persians. Then, after the appearance of Christ and the stone kingdom destroys the united empire of the great image, this 4th king will rise and subdue the other 3 kingdoms of Daniel 7. This is portrayed by the beast of Rev 17 that has no crowns. The absence of crowns symbolizes the absence of God- given authority to rule.

Rev 17:12-17 KJV 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

The children of men shall be given into the hand of this 4th beast for time, times, and the dividing of time... the last 3.5 years of Daniel's 70th week.

Dan 7:25 KJV And HE shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into HIS HAND until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Who is this "HE" and "HIS HAND" to whom the saints of the most High will be given unto?

He is none other than the king that shall arise of verse 24:

Dan 7:24 KJV "...and another shall rise after them; and HE shall be diverse from the first, and HE shall subdue three kings.

Be Blessed
The PuP

jasmine_childoftheking said:

I do not believe this has been discussed. So I thought I would pose the question that got me thinking.

Daniel and Revelation talks about ten kingdoms. There's been a lot of debate about what the ten kingdoms might be. Is it talking about the whole world? If it is, how could it be with only seven continents? Would some some of the continents like Europe and Asian be broken up?

So what could Daniel and Revelation be referring to when it talks about ten kingdoms in the last days?"

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The divided kingdom in Daniel's vision probably refers to the breaking up of Alexander the Great's Macedonian Empire after his death.

The ten horns are called ten kings in St. John's apocalyptic vision, which shows the city of Rome as a harlot intoxicated on the blood of Christian martyrs riding on a monstrous beast which represents Roman imperial power. The seven heads represent the seven hills of Rome and a succession of seven kings; but the ten horns are ten kings who had not as of then received power.

I don't know who the ten horns refer, I'm not sure there is sufficient material to work with. The identity of the harlot and the beast she rides is simple enough, because we have the angel telling John what they represent.

The imagery of ten horns echoes Daniel's vision, but in the case of Daniel's vision we can see how the Macedonian Empire was divided into smaller states, with a single state "the little horn" becoming powerful (the Seleucids) and the Syrian Wars as the referent in the contest between the kings of the north and south leading to the abomination when Antiochus profaned the Temple in Jerusalem. The history of Rome is far more complicated, it fell far more gradually for one, first in the West in the 5th century through the Germanic Migration period and invasions, but in the East the Roman Empire contined on for another thousand years before it ended with the conquest of Constantinople by the Ottomans in 1453.

It's unclear how the ten horns in Revelation 17 relates to Roman hegemony and the things John is talking about in the Apocalypse, and it is possible that it is just one of those things in the Bible that leaves us scratching our heads--though there are certainly all manner of speculative hypotheses about what they mean.

I am, speaking personally, quite okay with some things in Scripture being unknowble. This is especially true of such a complicated book like the Apocalypse where we rarely get solid answers to the questions we might pose to it.

-CryptoLutheran

jasmine_childoftheking said:

So let's just say that the Ten Kingdoms is talking about the whole world, which possibly could be. So let's say that these Ten Kingdoms are-

1. North America

2. South America

3. Pacific (which would consist of Australia, New Zealand and the pacific Islands)

4. Western Europe

5. Eastern Europe

6. Great Britain

7. East Asia

8. South Asia

9. Africa

10. Middle East

Anything is possible. But I'm sure we'll find out when it happens.

One of the bowl judgments say that the Euphrates River dries up, making a pathway for the kings of the east. So would the kings of the east be Asia, India, and Russia, perhaps?

For Armageddon, the armies of the kings of the earth would most likely be coming from different directions.

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But wouldn't this just be an arbitrary list? Why give Great Britain its own number, but swallow up Australia, New Zealand, and all the Pacific Islands into one?

If a list is arbitrary, then any arbitrary choices we make are as good as any other.

Also, why assume that it's referring to an as-of-yet future? It could be, but a Futurist assumptive framework of the Apocalypse is not a foregone conclusion.

This is why it can be problematic to assume too much about St. John's Apocalypse. The work is notoriously difficult, perhaps even impossible, to parse. And it can often end up being a Rorschach Ink Blot Test, where everyone sees something different. Which, obviously, isn't very helpful and not a very good way to engage in biblical exegesis.

-CryptoLutheran