Half of US clergy backs Trump — with only 23% backing Harris: survey

Mike from NJ · Sep 19, 2024

HARK! said:
What kind of business experience does Harris have?

I'd say a person who had 6 bankruptcies is less wise about business than someone who has no business experience.

Vambram · Sep 19, 2024

expos4ever said:
Speak for yourself, please. I am a Christian, and I certainly would dismiss the view of any clergyman who supported such a profoundly morally compromised candidate as Donald Trump.

And I will dismiss the view of any clergyman who supports a profoundly morally compromised person such as Kamala Harris.

HARK! · Sep 19, 2024

Mike from NJ said:
I'd say a person who had 6 bankruptcies is less wise about business than someone who has no business experience.

I'd go along with that, if I measured the level of a man's success by how many times he failed along his ascent to greatness.

How many times did Edison fail before he gave us a light bulb? :idea:

Hans Blaster · Sep 19, 2024

HARK! said:
It only takes one to wipe out the grid. If that happens it is estimated that 90% of Americans will die off in the first year.

O groovy. Nuclear paranoia.

HARK! said:
I'm prepared. Do you feel lucky?

Why would I bother? I expect my house to be inside the fireball if Putin ever takes that shot.

Hans Blaster · Sep 19, 2024

HARK! said:
They've been burning up their outdated gear in Ukraine. They're saving their good stuff for what is to come.

Oh sure they are, sure they are. We could talk about tanks. Let's talk about tanks.

The latest and greatest Russian tank is the T-14 Armata. It is their answer to the M1 Abrams US tank and similar tanks from Europe. So far none have seen combat in Ukraine, but that is more because only a couple dozen have been produced and have never been shown to be combat effective. (There was an attempt by the Russian state/media to suggest it would be sent to Ukraine, but it never appeared.) Instead they began the war using T-90 and T-80 tanks. (In each case, the number ir roughly the year the original version was designed. Most of these have many updated variants over the years, so a T-80 is not necessarily operating with 45 year-old technology.) As the war ground on, they started using more and more T-72 tanks and then T-64 tanks taken out of the storage yards and rehabbed. The same has happened with armored fighting vehicles.

TL;DR: Far from saving their best stuff for later, Russia has been dragging their old junk out of storage and putting it combat.

HARK! · Sep 19, 2024

Hans Blaster said:
Far from saving their best stuff for later, Russia has been dragging their old junk out of storage and putting it combat.

I say tomAto. You say tomahto.

Hans Blaster · Sep 20, 2024

HARK! said:
I say tomAto. You say tomahto.

Russia has stopped producing new tanks for the most part and is putting their tank plants into more productive work repairing and upgrading tanks in the storage yards. The quality of Russian military gear has gone down with time, Ukraine's has gone up due to imports of NATO equipment. (And we're not even sending most of our best stuff.)

HARK! · Sep 20, 2024

Hans Blaster said:
Russia has stopped producing new tanks for the most part and is putting their tank plants into more productive work repairing and upgrading tanks in the storage yards. The quality of Russian military gear has gone down with time, Ukraine's has gone up due to imports of NATO equipment. (And we're not even sending most of our best stuff.)

That's interesting. I just read an article that said that Russia can outproduce the US, militarily, at the present time.

I'm not going to go digging for the article; but you might want to consider that.

Hans Blaster · Sep 20, 2024

HARK! said:
That's interesting. I just read an article that said that Russia can outproduce the US, militarily, at the present time.

I'm not going to go digging for the article; but you might want to consider that.

If only the US were the only supplier to Ukraine. (I do know that Russia has bigger production capacity for artillery shells than the US.)

Stephen3141 · Sep 20, 2024

HARK! said:
LOL!

Those are basically the same numbers.

The Christianity Today article includes quite a bit more information,
than you mention.

And, you should consider that these numbers probably are heavily weighted
by Protestant groups, rather than by Catholic or Orthodox groups.

My point in mentioning the added information, is that the numbers are essentially
the same as in 2020, when Trump lost the election. I don't think that these poll
numbers, are insightful, as to predicting this coming election outcome.

durangodawood · Sep 20, 2024

Mike from NJ said:
I'd say a person who had 6 bankruptcies is less wise about business than someone who has no business experience.

I dunno. 6 bankruptcies shows you know how to get out while ahead and leave others holding the bag.

rambot · Sep 20, 2024

HARK! said:
I don't know; but we Christians do.

Trump supporting Christians will change their understanding of Christ, so long as Trump and his politics can remain supported.
Christianity Today Editor: Evangelicals Call Jesus “Liberal” and “Weak”

Trump supporters didn't listen to those pastors either.

So long as pastors support Trump, Trump supporting Christians agree

HARK! · Sep 20, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
The Christianity Today article includes quite a bit more information,
than you mention.

And, you should consider that these numbers probably are heavily weighted
by Protestant groups, rather than by Catholic or Orthodox groups.

My point in mentioning the added information, is that the numbers are essentially
the same as in 2020, when Trump lost the election. I don't think that these poll
numbers, are insightful, as to predicting this coming election outcome.

I applaud what these Catholics have done: Major Catholic group launches ads attacking Kamala Harris over taxpayer-funded sex changes for kids

HARK! · Sep 20, 2024

Hans Blaster said:
If only the US were the only supplier to Ukraine. (I do know that Russia has bigger production capacity for artillery shells than the US.)

N. Korea isn't so shabby with their shell production either.

Hopefully this Administration has enough sense not to escalate this beyond a conventional war; but that prospect isn't looking very promising.

Hans Blaster · Sep 20, 2024

HARK! said:
N. Korea isn't so shabby with their shell production either.

Hopefully this Administration has enough sense not to escalate this beyond a conventional war; but that prospect isn't looking very promising.

All I see is empty rattling of the "nuclear sabre" by Putin. No one with power else is even discussing nuclear escalation as a path.

RileyG · Sep 21, 2024

HARK! said:
Half of US clergy backs Trump — with only 23% backing Harris: survey

One presidential candidate this year may have more than a prayer when it comes to support from America’s clergy, a new survey reveals.

nypost.com

Good.

RileyG · Sep 21, 2024

Hans Blaster said:
That's odd. I regularly hear whinging on this very site about how few "so-called" (as they are often tagged) Christians go to church regularly, or have a "Biblical worldview", or Catholics about the large number of their fellows that don't follow the Church's teachings on birth control or abortion.

Don't think "listening to clergy" on politics is super high in the pews.

Some people have their own views and don’t accept what religion tells them. Not shocking by any means.

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