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A centralized government does not make a totalitarian state.
Maybe but it seems centralizing things is a big part of it. I looked at a couple of definitions which seems to say centralising is part of the political system. That makes sense in that you can't get control without centralising. Not centralising means having independent pockets of authority and power that can potentially defy the State.

The State doesn't like other groups or institutions to be free from the controlling arm of the State. The insitution of the family is a good example. In totalitarian systems the family breakdoown is one of the first to go. The State takes over more and more of the role of parents, welfare of the child. Parents lose their rights.

Then marriage, Insitutions like education, law and health, then religion is undermined. Corporations and media fall in line with the State properganda machine and bit by bit the tenticles of the State take over, Centralising just about everything through the State.
Until "Devolution" the UK was considered a quintessential centralized state with little power in the regions or provinces as opposed to the Westminster government.
Yes but it was also Britain that fought for the rights of individuals through acts like the Magna Carta. You could say even in Britain, Europe and even the US history had a centralised rule through the Church at one stage and was totalising in some ways especially with religious laws and knowledge.

But thats to Enlightenment things changed and I think a key is knowledge, transparency and the free exchange of knowledge where we can know the States business and question that.
This is in contrast to federal or decentralized states like yours and mine.
You means like ours use to be. Democracy and freedoms are crumbling.
Totalitarianism is about the demand of submission to the state and its leaders. Centralized government is not a slippery slope to totalitarianism.
Ok but demand and submission is what is happening now more and more. So it must be heading towards totalitarianism. Though we have also seen in recent decades a massive bloating of government especially administration, welfare and human services which is centralising just about every area of life into basically one bread basket, the State.
Oh my. Perhaps you should try shorter posts. They are easier to write and edit.
Lol, no I've tried that too. Don't worry I usually start out big and then wind back from that. I say what I have to say, the arguements and explainations and then start to get more specific.

I always believe that if your going to make a claim you need to explain it. An arguement is never simple especially when it comes to social, cultural and political issues. I guess thats why politics can go on and on and never get any resolution lol. But I try to stick to the facts as well as in the end thats all that is going to prove the difference.
Not interested, not relevant.
OK I won't argue the point. But I would ask why is it not relevant. Is not a governments ideological beliefs that underpin their policies important. I would have thought it the most important.

Isn't that exactly what the Left are doing right now as their only tactic for winning the election is showing they have a different political ideological basis for governance as opposed to the crazy MAGA supporters. One of DEI, joy, moderation and hope as opposed to division, extremism and the loss of freedoms and democracy under Trump.
 
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I am saying good on the Dems for making a Infrastructure Bill. But so what. If you want to compare both parties as to their ability to implement Acts and make promises to do stuff then neither side wins.

One does in this case, given only one of the two parties successfully passed their promised infrastructure bill.

OK I get you now.
Great, so we agree that in addition to failing to live up to campaign promises about infrastructure, Donald also failed in his promises about building a wall and getting Mexico to pay for ti. Almost as if there's a way to compare the two parties and their ability to keep promises.
 
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Maybe but it seems centralizing things is a big part of it. I looked at a couple of definitions which seems to say centralising is part of the political system. That makes sense in that you can't get control without centralising. Not centralising means having independent pockets of authority and power that can potentially defy the State.
I suggest you find a definition of "totalitarianism" and post it. Until then you don't seem to be getting the point.
The State doesn't like other groups or institutions to be free from the controlling arm of the State. The insitution of the family is a good example. In totalitarian systems the family breakdoown is one of the first to go. The State takes over more and more of the role of parents, welfare of the child. Parents lose their rights.

Then marriage, Insitutions like education, law and health, then religion is undermined. Corporations and media fall in line with the State properganda machine and bit by bit the tenticles of the State take over, Centralising just about everything through the State.
"Law" is the state, education is a function of the state, and marriage is a contract regulated by the state. It has been like that for a very long time. None of this is about "centralizing" the power of the state.
Yes but it was also Britain that fought for the rights of individuals through acts like the Magna Carta.
A central or decentralized government is not related to the level of individual rights.
You could say even in Britain, Europe and even the US history had a centralised rule through the Church at one stage and was totalising in some ways especially with religious laws and knowledge.
Finally, in some cases, you are getting close to totalitarians states with theocracies. (And no this is no part of the US at any time).
But thats to Enlightenment things changed and I think a key is knowledge, transparency and the free exchange of knowledge where we can know the States business and question that.

You means like ours use to be. Democracy and freedoms are crumbling.
Did Australia end federalism when I wasn't looking?
Ok but demand and submission is what is happening now more and more. So it must be heading towards totalitarianism. Though we have also seen in recent decades a massive bloating of government especially administration, welfare and human services which is centralising just about every area of life into basically one bread basket, the State.
A large bureaucracy is not an indicator of totalitarianism. Please post that definition and justify your claim.
Lol, no I've tried that too. Don't worry I usually start out big and then wind back from that. I say what I have to say, the arguements and explainations and then start to get more specific.
In the interest of brevity, I will stop now.
I always believe that if your going to make a claim you need to explain it. An arguement is never simple especially when it comes to social, cultural and political issues. I guess thats why politics can go on and on and never get any resolution lol. But I try to stick to the facts as well as in the end thats all that is going to prove the difference.

OK I won't argue the point. But I would ask why is it not relevant. Is not a governments ideological beliefs that underpin their policies important. I would have thought it the most important.

Isn't that exactly what the Left are doing right now as their only tactic for winning the election is showing they have a different political ideological basis for governance as opposed to the crazy MAGA supporters. One of DEI, joy, moderation and hope as opposed to division, extremism and the loss of freedoms and democracy under Trump.
 
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I suggest you find a definition of "totalitarianism" and post it. Until then you don't seem to be getting the point.
Ok, well here is what popped up in google top of the page
a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
The next result says In the broadest sense, totalitarianism is characterized by strong central rule that attempts to control and direct all aspects of individual life through coercion and repression.
"Law" is the state,
Law is the State but Rule of Rule is the principle that stops the State from abusing their power with Lawfare. Proper processes that ensure equal and fair application of the law.

We have examples of lawfare committed by the present Biden/Harris aministration and of Harris herself as DA.
education is a function of the state,
Yes that puts them in a position to abuse their power by controlling what is taught. Just as the current administration is doing.
and marriage is a contract regulated by the state. It has been like that for a very long time.
Only really since the 'No fault' divorce law and other stipulations like SSM. But as we can see with these changes that it was more than just a political decision but also an ideological one.

But I noticed you missed the most important one 'family'. It is this institution that relates to marriage, parenting and child rearing. It is this institution that is most relevant when undermined that leads to more centralised control of the State of the private sphere. Which the Left have a history of undermining and destroying. Thus unsurping more control over our lives.
None of this is about "centralizing" the power of the state.
That you will have to take that up with the definitions I linked above.
A central or decentralized government is not related to the level of individual rights.
Yes it is in many situations. For example the State may deem certain identities have rights over others which then upholds one groups rights over another. It is the State that is the moral dictator on this and not any independent determination. They are centralising power by the fact that they have stepped into an ideological situation and dictated how society should be ordered.
Finally, in some cases, you are getting close to totalitarians states with theocracies. (And no this is no part of the US at any time).
As I said we can analyse how certain State behaviours that tell us how they are cultivating centralised control over the nation. It doesn't have to be full on totalitarianism to be cultivating totalitarianism. There are certain red flags we can identify on the road to totalitarianism.

That video I linked is a good example of how the Left is cultivating totalitarianism. One example is the culling of free speech which we see happening in State institutions and the manipulation of the media and narratives with State propaganda.
Did Australia end federalism when I wasn't looking?
Once again its not necessarily about full on totalitarianism but cultivating such on the road to full on totalitarianism. But even abuse of power and taking over aspects of our lives is part of the problem. Governments are more complicated and Federal power has been scaled back in many areas. But if anything Federalism is more conducive of control that decentralised government.
A large bureaucracy is not an indicator of totalitarianism. Please post that definition and justify your claim.
It can be. The more a State controls more aspects of peoples lives the more a bureaucracy is needed. Like the Welfare State or even the forced ideology of DEI. Since DEI ideological has been endoreced by the State HR and Human services administrators have risen 10 fold to implement the policies and codes of conducts that uphold it.

This is an example of how 'Ideology' and not 'reality' is used as the basis for how we should order society that is taken on by the State as a belief and not fact to enforce a certain social order. The Welfare state can also be all consuming, dictating obligations and regulations to exist within the welfare State. For which a growing number of people have become dependent and have little choice.

But let me say also that it doesn't just have to be about full on totalitarianism or totalitarianism at all. There are many ways to enforce control and all are wrong if they are based on ideology rather than reality, objective reality and lived reality.

Carl Friedrich’s Path to “Totalitarianism”
In the totalitarian system, “true authority” is replaced by the party line, the social control exercised by the party over its members through the law of anticipated reactions, and over society by a combination of ordinary bureaucratic means, legal coercion, anticipated reactions, and importantly, terror.

The modern state is the bureaucratic order. It is a state with a democratic deficit, which operates on the basis of output legitimacy rather than legitimacy derived from input processes, such as the activity of elected legislators with significant control over the actions of bureaucrats. This image is sharply different from the idea of democracy governed by the rule of law in which the discretionary power of bureaucrats was limited as much as possible, so that the actions of the state were outcomes of legally organized processes of representation.

The most visible feature of totalitarian ideology: its anti-liberalism and collectivist anti-individualism.


The Bureaucratic Danger in Academia
A striking feature of the modern university has been the expansion of non-academic personnel vis-à-vis teaching and research faculty. The figures speak for themselves. Let’s take the US: 450,000 faculty and 270,000 administrators were employed by universities in 1975.2 By 2009 there were 728,977 full-time faculty (a 63 per cent increase) and 890,540 administrators (a 231 per cent increase).

This reflects the universities attempt to emulate the corporate form, which celebrates executive chains of command, technical solutions above collegial deliberation and continuous programme/performance reviews.

The Bureaucratic Danger in Academia

The following article is of particular relevance in how the modern State uses the power of imagination and narratives to re-engineer and create new meanings, new histories and new ways of thinking that subvert and control society through the Institutions, agencies and corporations to conform with the States ideology and social order.

This is exactly what we are seeing with the Lefts manipulation of the narratives, the media and social order in the public and now private spheres.

Totalitarian bureaucracy and Bauman's sociological imagination
It is argued that Bauman's interrogation of the Holocaust's true historical meaning encapsulates the best aspects of a truly sociological imagination — or what Arendt defines as "the power of narratives to release new meanings", "thinking without a banister", "enlarged thought" and "training the imagination to go visiting" (Arendt cited in Taylor, Barr and Steele 2002: 48).
 
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[emphsis mine -- HB] Ok, well here is what popped up in google top of the page
a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
The next result says In the broadest sense, totalitarianism is characterized by strong central rule that attempts to control and direct all aspects of individual life through coercion and repression.
You found one, and I don't object to "britannica's" defininition, but I do to you emphases. I have edited the bolding to show the parts of totalitarianism that is important. What differentiates it from other forms of government, centralized or federal. I hope this pointless discussion of basic political science terms is complete.
Law is the State but Rule of Rule is the principle that stops the State from abusing their power with Lawfare.
I don't care for salad, and that was a mess. That creation of law is a power of the state from the invention of states and government has not changed.
Proper processes that ensure equal and fair application of the law.

We have examples of lawfare committed by the present Biden/Harris aministration and of Harris herself as DA.
We do not.
Yes that puts them in a position to abuse their power by controlling what is taught. Just as the current administration is doing.
The current [Biden] administration does not control US school curricula, nor has any prior administration. Curricula are set by state officials and local officials
Only really since the 'No fault' divorce law and other stipulations like SSM. But as we can see with these changes that it was more than just a political decision but also an ideological one.
Again, this is a mess. No fault divorce laws did not change the power of the state to regulate marriage contracts.
But I noticed you missed the most important one 'family'. It is this institution that relates to marriage, parenting and child rearing. It is this institution that is most relevant when undermined that leads to more centralised control of the State of the private sphere. Which the Left have a history of undermining and destroying. Thus unsurping more control over our lives.
I did not miss one. The only families altered by the changes you decry are those where one spouse would like to escape an abusive, loveless, or disfunctional marriage and cannot due to restrictive divorce laws. The rest of this "damage" is all in your head.
That you will have to take that up with the definitions I linked above.
I did. You get the wrong emphases.
Yes it is in many situations. For example the State may deem certain identities have rights over others which then upholds one groups rights over another. It is the State that is the moral dictator on this and not any independent determination.
That is not how anti-descrimination laws work. At all.
They are centralising power by the fact that they have stepped into an ideological situation and dictated how society should be ordered.

As I said we can analyse how certain State behaviours that tell us how they are cultivating centralised control over the nation. It doesn't have to be full on totalitarianism to be cultivating totalitarianism. There are certain red flags we can identify on the road to totalitarianism.

That video I links is a good example of how the Left is cultivating totalitarianism. One is example is the culling of free speech which we see happening in State institutions and the manipulation of the media and narratives with State propaganda.

Once again its not necessarily about full on totalitarianism but cultivating such on the road to full on totalitarianism. But even abuse of power and taking over aspects of our lives is part of the problem. Governments are more complication and Federal power has been scaled back in many areas. But if anything Federalism is more conducive of control that decentralised government.

It can be. The more a State controls more aspects of peoples lives the more a bureaucracy is needed. Like the Welfare State or even the forced ideology of DEI. Since DEI has become an ideological worldview the State endorces the rise of HR and Human services administrators have rised 10 fold to enforce the policies and codes of conducts that uphold it.

This is an example of how 'Ideology' and not 'reality' is used as the basis for how we should order society that is taken on by the State as a belief and not fact to enforce a certain social order. But the Welfare state can also be all consuming, dictating obligations and regulations to exist within the welfare State. For which a growing number of people have become dependent and have little choice.

But let me say also that it doesn't just have to be about full on totalitarianism or totalitarianism at all. There are many ways to enforce control and all are wrong if they are based on ideology rather than reality, objective reality and lived reality.
This is all just deeply disconnected from reality. A "welfare state" is not totalitarian. Good grief.
Carl Friedrich’s Path to “Totalitarianism”
In the totalitarian system, “true authority” is replaced by the party line, the social control exercised by the party over its members through the law of anticipated reactions, and over society by a combination of ordinary bureaucratic means, legal coercion, anticipated reactions, and importantly, terror.

The modern state is the bureaucratic order. It is a state with a democratic deficit, which operates on the basis of output legitimacy rather than legitimacy derived from input processes, such as the activity of elected legislators with significant control over the actions of bureaucrats. This image is sharply different from the idea of democracy governed by the rule of law in which the discretionary power of bureaucrats was limited as much as possible, so that the actions of the state were outcomes of legally organized processes of representation.

The most visible feature of totalitarian ideology: its anti-liberalism and collectivist anti-individualism.

I don't know who this guy is or why I should care. This "party line" stuff leading to totalitarianism has nothing to do with America's political parties. (Unless you'd like to discuss "MAGA", but I suspect you don't.)
The Bureaucratic Danger in Academia
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Utterly irrelevant and off-topic.
 
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You found one, and I don't object to "britannica's" defininition, but I do to you emphases. I have edited the bolding to show the parts of totalitarianism that is important. What differentiates it from other forms of government, centralized or federal. I hope this pointless discussion of basic political science terms is complete.
Like I said it doesn't matter whether we term it totalitarianism its about the unjustified control and abuse of power by a State over its people. Even if that is partial and in some areas and not others. Any political party who is abusing power in some ways is at risk of further abusing power in all ways.
I don't care for salad, and that was a mess. That creation of law is a power of the state from the invention of states and government has not changed.
How is that word salad in saying that 'Rule of Law' helps prevent the State abusing the law.
We do not.
Actually we have plenty. For example

On May 15, 2024, the Judiciary Committee’s Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government held a hearing highlighting the weaponization of the rule of law through the use of lawfare tactics and exposing the two-tiered justice system that extends from the highest offices in the Department of Justice to the offices of politically ambitious state and local prosecutors.
https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/2024-07-09 Lawfare - How the Manhattan District Attorneys Office and a New York State Judge Violated the Constitutional and Lega.pdf

Biden’s warfare — legal, economic and social

The Failure of Lawfare Exposed Biden
With President Biden’s announcement on Sunday that he is withdrawing from the 2024 race, it’s worth emphasizing that Democrats and their praetorian press have been well aware of Biden’s senescence since the start of his term. The Democrats’ 2024 strategy was to hide it, through lawfare.

How Lawfare Became Biden’s Campaign Strategy

New Report Details the Extent of the FBI's Weaponization of Law Enforcement Against Traditional Catholics
New Report Details the Extent of the FBI's Weaponization of Law Enforcement Against Traditional Catholics

Former analyst decries CIA politicization of intelligence, new levels of activism under Biden
Politicization of intelligence at the CIA reached new levels of activism under President Biden, according to an academic analysis of recent political influence within the agency.
Former analyst decries CIA politicization of intelligence, new levels of activism under Biden?utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=subscriber&utm_id=desktop

Then we have Harris herself as DA.

Harris and the First Amendment
The Supreme Court rebuked her use of lawfare in California.

Judge rips Harris' office for hiding problems
San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris' office violated defendants' rights by hiding damaging information. The judge concluded that prosecutors had failed to fulfill their constitutional duty.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Judge-rips-Harris-office-for-hiding-problems-3263797.php

As California attorney general, Harris used her office’s criminal-enforcement powers to go after David Daleiden for exposing Planned Parenthood’s involvement in illegal fetal-tissue trafficking, including raiding his apartment. Harris also weaponized her office as California attorney general to pursue Americans for Prosperity and other groups over their dissent from left-wing climate orthodoxy.

Harris’s effort to force nonprofits to disclose their donor lists was
later found to violate the First Amendment, but not before a court found that Harris’s office “systematically failed to maintain the confidentiality” of those records. In California, Harris pushed to jail parents for truancy, using a law whose passage she advocated.

As a senator,
Harris grilled a judicial nominee on his membership in the long-standing, mainstream Catholic group the Knights of Columbus.
During the Brett Kavanaugh hearings, Harris ran with the most scurrilous smears against him, reading into the Congressional Record
the ludicrous and since-discredited gang-rape charge peddled by Michael Avenatti.


During the George Floyd riots, she supported a fund to bail out rioters, making it more difficult for order to be restored and exacerbating the violence, the thwarting of government business, and destruction of property of innocent people.

Finally, there is Harris’s record as a criminal prosecutor. There is an enormous paper trail of criticism of Harris for, among other things, defending unjust convictions, withholding evidence, and protecting prosecutorial misconduct.
Kamala Harris Is Still a Dangerous Authoritarian | National Review
 
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Like I said it doesn't matter whether we term it totalitarianism its about the unjustified control and abuse of power by a State over its people. Even if that is partial and in some areas and not others. Any political party who is abusing power in some ways is at risk of further abusing power in all ways.
Then why have you been trying to justify your bad definition of totalitarian for multiple rounds of reply.
How is that word salad in saying that 'Rule of Law' helps prevent the State abusing the law.

Because this "sentence" is nonsensical. It means nothing:

"Law is the State but Rule of Rule is the principle that stops the State from abusing their power with Lawfare."

Which I will note was something you wrote in reply to my rejection of your prior notion that governments were taking over law. That is nonsense because as I noted it is governments that create law in the first place and have done so for ALL OF RECORDED HISTORY.
 
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Then why have you been trying to justify your bad definition of totalitarian for multiple rounds of reply.
First its not my definition so your creating a strawman. The difference of opinion was about whether centralisation is a part of Totalitarianism. I gave a couple of links that support centralisation as part of Totalitarianism.
Because this "sentence" is nonsensical. It means nothing:

"Law is the State but Rule of Rule is the principle that stops the State from abusing their power with Lawfare."

Which I will note was something you wrote in reply to my rejection of your prior notion that governments were taking over law. That is nonsense because as I noted it is governments that create law in the first place and have done so for ALL OF RECORDED HISTORY.
You said "law is the State'. In other words the State is in a position to oversee the law which is a position of power over the law. I said the principle of 'Rule of Law' prevents the State (or should do) from abusing that position in overseeing the Law.

When I say "taking over the law" I mean abusing the principle of 'Rule of Law'. That is taking over the law. Appointing partisan judges and DA's, controlling the institutions of power, controlling information, bypassing due process, applying the law unfairly against political opponents.
 
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The difference of opinion was about whether centralisation is a part of Totalitarianism. I gave a couple of links that support centralisation as part of Totalitarianism.
It certainly makes running a totalitarian society easier if there’s a central-power motif, but it isn’t strictly necessary.
Some totalitarian governments work hand-in-glove with the religions, some adopt a laisssez-faire attitude toward religion; the former is easier but corrupts both the religions and the politics until despotism is the best that society can hope for until revolution.
 
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It certainly makes running a totalitarian society easier if there’s a central-power motif, but it isn’t strictly necessary.
Some totalitarian governments work hand-in-glove with the religions, some adopt a laisssez-faire attitude toward religion; the former is easier but corrupts both the religions and the politics until despotism is the best that society can hope for until revolution.
Yeah centralisation certainly does make it easier because basically its about total control of all aspects of life. To even be able to do that a State would by necessity have to centralise the system so that all areas come back to the State for it to even be in total control. Otherwise allowing independent pockets of resistence will defy and undermine the States control.

So for example the media is not free press but is dictated and manipulated by the State as to what information is allowed. The centralisation of education where the State has more influence over what is taught by training academic and teacher agents in the ideology. Which is then taken to the young and next generation.

You can't have free press as this will undermine the propaganda. So the State centralises media through controlling the narrative they allow. This is done usually with favourable treatment as opposed to losing opportunities for going against the States propaganda.

But certainly its not the only means to total control. But one I think necessary logically.
 
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First its not my definition so your creating a strawman. The difference of opinion was about whether centralisation is a part of Totalitarianism. I gave a couple of links that support centralisation as part of Totalitarianism.
Your emphasis on totalitarianism is on the centralization of government. As should be well known to any junior high government student, centralization versus devolution is about the relative strength of regional governments. You give definitions of totalitarianism and focus on exactly the wrong thing, rather than the distinctive feature of demanding total submission to the state and the leader. It has no relation to the subject of this thread.
You said "law is the State'. In other words the State is in a position to oversee the law which is a position of power over the law. I said the principle of 'Rule of Law' prevents the State (or should do) from abusing that position in overseeing the Law.

This part started when you listed several things that the state was "taking over". And the creation of law was *always* a power of the state. If you wanted to talk about the failure of rule of law, then you should have really used that phrase.
When I say "taking over the law" I mean abusing the principle of 'Rule of Law'. That is taking over the law. Appointing partisan judges and DA's, controlling the institutions of power, controlling information, bypassing due process, applying the law unfairly against political opponents.
Again, this has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.
 
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Your emphasis on totalitarianism is on the centralization of government. As should be well known to any junior high government student, centralization versus devolution is about the relative strength of regional governments. You give definitions of totalitarianism and focus on exactly the wrong thing, rather than the distinctive feature of demanding total submission to the state and the leader. It has no relation to the subject of this thread.
Actually you have been trying to create stawmen. I said that totalitarianism is basically about control, total control. Thats inherent in its naming. I also said that it can take varying forms in that being achieved and that control, and abuse of power is not even only about totalitarianism.

But I emphasised centralisation as an important part for logical reasons and gace my reasons. You then proceeded to create a strawman by fixating on my use of centralisation by making out that this was my only definition.
This part started when you listed several things that the state was "taking over". And the creation of law was *always* a power of the state. If you wanted to talk about the failure of rule of law, then you should have really used that phrase.
I think your engaging in petty semantics. Rule of Law goes hand in hand with the system of government when it comes to law making. One without the other is useless. The three arms of government is based around upholding Rule of Law.
Again, this has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.
Of course it does. A State can be partisan and push laws through by rigging the system and bypassing the proper processes that uphold Rule of Law. Which is exactly what the current administration is doing.

So the choices in the type of people Harris chooses who support partisan politics is an indication of how they will treat the Constitution.
 
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Actually you have been trying to create stawmen. I said that totalitarianism is basically about control, total control. Thats inherent in its naming. I also said that it can take varying forms in that being achieved and that control, and abuse of power is not even only about totalitarianism.
Steve, you've been making bad arguments constructed from bad definitions of "totalitarian" for almost two weeks now.
But I emphasised centralisation as an important part for logical reasons and gace my reasons. You then proceeded to create a strawman by fixating on my use of centralisation by making out that this was my only definition.
It is my argument that you emphasized the wrong part because your understanding is poor. This is backed by many previous posts on this thread. (Which is not about the definition of totalitariansim anyway.)
I think your engaging in petty semantics. Rule of Law goes hand in hand with the system of government when it comes to law making. One without the other is useless. The three arms of government is based around upholding Rule of Law.
Semantics are unavoidable given your sloppy use of words. None of these argument ever had any real connection to the VP either.
Of course it does. A State can be partisan and push laws through by rigging the system and bypassing the proper processes that uphold Rule of Law. Which is exactly what the current administration is doing.

So the choices in the type of people Harris chooses who support partisan politics is an indication of how they will treat the Constitution.
It has nothing to do with the thread, because the things you describe are not happening.
 
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Steve, you've been making bad arguments constructed from bad definitions of "totalitarian" for almost two weeks now.
Thats your opinion and I have given support for what I have said. You its actually not my arguement. The experts agree that totalitarianism can take several forms so this idea of bad definitions is a strawman because there is no specific definition apart from the broad tenents like centralisation.

Its ironic you say I emphasized centralisation as a tenet of totalitarianism when most of the definitions use centralisation as one of the main ingredients. Was it really that bad an arguement. I wonder if your playing games for the sake of undermining me rather than argueing the point.

I suggest you go and look at the video I linked to get educated on what exactly totalitarianism means in todays world. How it is cultivated and the principles involved.
It is my argument that you emphasized the wrong part because your understanding is poor. This is backed by many previous posts on this thread. (Which is not about the definition of totalitariansim anyway.)
Well its my arguement that I didn't. How do you know the other aspects I also mentioned is not about Totalitarianism. Can you show me they are not. I mentioned particular examples about how this current govenemnt is engaging in behaviour that can cultivate totalitarianism.

It wasn't totalitarian but the cultivation of totalitarianism. Your making logical fallacies all over the place. Including one of semantics. and strawmen to avoid the actual point I was making about the current administration.

Argue back that the examples I gave of abusing Rule of Law and government is not the type of behabiour that can cultivate totalitarianisn tendencies rather than going on about definitions.

The whole point is whether its totalitarianism or not the behaviour is abusing and controlling. Thats the point you need to address and get over definitions. Control and abuse is control and abuse no matter which way its served.
Semantics are unavoidable given your sloppy use of words. None of these argument ever had any real connection to the VP either.
Yes they did. They are not sloppy words. I explained that I was talking about the type of behaviour or thinking that cultivates totalitarianism. Its obviously not a totalitarian State at present. Your conflating what I said as being complete totalitarianism. You need to take a step back and look at what I am actually saying and not what you think I am saying.

In regards to semantics yes we need to understand the meanings. But as totalitarianism has a number of meanings we need to investigate than which is what I am doing. Your getting stuck on just the semantics.
It has nothing to do with the thread, because the things you describe are not happening.
Did you watch that video. You complain about the wrong definitions and understandings and yet you cannot even investigate the issue from the evidence I am linking. How about you view the evidence I linked first before making claims its not happening.

Like I have said several times now your making fallacies, strawmen and misrepresentations. Conflating that I am speaking about the current administration is totalitarian when I am saying they are displaying totalitarian behaviours and thinking in their policies and ideology for which I linked evidence.
 
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