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That's the scary scenario. In Belfast and Armagh and Derry, it just went on and on: bombings, assassinations, hit and run shootings, heavy-handed military reprisals, vigilante justice, vengeance and revenge killings.....and in the end, nobody won. Not the Provisional Irish Republican Army, not the Royal Ulster Constabulary, not the Irish National Liberation Army, not the Ulster Defence Association, not the Red Hand Commandos, Ulster Volunteer Force, or the British Army. All that happened was, the reprisals simply went on and on, until the various parties basically got sick of fighting, and decided to just.....quit.
We've seen it. It shouldn't surprise us that it could happen. Beruit was a jewel of a city before it got to be a bombed out city.
That's what I see happening here. The sides will break down street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, the barricades will go up, the windows will be filled with snipers, the Molotov cocktails will fly, the kids will grow up thinking that hurling rocks at the people on the other side of the fence is normal behavior, and when the Army or the National Guard moves in to restore order, whoever opposes them will be doing more than hurling brickbats and firebombs---they'll be setting off booby traps and bombs to drive them back out. And it will just go on and on and on. Ireland's Troubles went on for approximately 30 years, more or less, which is pretty much an eternity for people who are caught in the crosshairs of the various hostile factions.
Scares me to think that such an outcome is probable now.
The only way I see a different scenario in this between Ulster and the United States is that in our case, we have China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, and the militant jihadist groups of your choice, all waiting to pounce once we're weak enough that we can't fight them off. A foreign military intervention into an American "Troubles" is a very likely possibility; while Antifa and the Students for Justice in Palestine are swapping potshots with the Illinois Sons of Liberty and the Patriot Front in the streets of Chicago, China could land several hundred ships bearing thousands of troops in California and Oregon, and from there start moving inland, with the excuse being that America's nuclear arsenal presents a threat to world peace and stability, so they're moving in to "restore stability and order".
Who could actually blame them. Shades of 'The Man in the High Castle'.
It could happen. Even worse would be if, say, China and Russia decided to squabble with each other over who gets what, and start battling each other on American soil. Or one of their proxies, say, Iran, with Russia's backing, or North Korea with China's backing, decides that things aren't moving fast enough, and go to an extreme, setting off a nuclear or biological weapon somewhere. Any way you slice this, it ain't gonna be pretty, and if you aren't scared, you ought to be. :(
Maybe Russia takes Canada and the North and East while China takes the West and South. Or maybe the UN takes over with Russian and Chinese troops.
 
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I think the Democrats as a party need to just be destroyed and something new be created to replace them. I'm thinking the same about the Republicans. They feed off each other.
We should do that, wipe a clean slate for our country, and put more moderates into leadership, and also get rid of the electoral college, as none of the EC is independent.
 
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We should do that, wipe a clean slate for our country, and put more moderates into leadership, and also get rid of the electoral college, as none of the EC is independent.
Well, we can't just wipe a clean slate for our country without a revolution. Institutions have a right to their own existence, even if they are nasty. I guess the Mafia is a special case there.

As to the electoral college, it serves a vital role in making sure the small states get representation. Little North Dakota with two Senators and one Representative gets three electoral votes , way more than it's tiny population would suggest. And that's a good thing. Otherwise candidates would skip the small states and just camp in California.
 
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Well, we can't just wipe a clean slate for our country without a revolution. Institutions have a right to their own existence, even if they are nasty. I guess the Mafia is a special case there.

As to the electoral college, it serves a vital role in making sure the small states get representation. Little North Dakota with two Senators and one Representative gets three electoral votes , way more than it's tiny population would suggest. And that's a good thing. Otherwise candidates would skip the small states and just camp in California.
Simple solution: We need Jesus to return, and destroy the kingdom of Satan. There is no way of improving our country, as things will get worse in the End Times. We can try to make things better, and we could maybe have a few decades of peace and prosperity, but eventually, things will get way worse. The EC is broken though, so we need an even ratio of electors per 100,000 people across the board for electors.
 
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The EC is broken though, so we need an even ratio of electors per 100,000 people across the board for electors.
We have proportional representation in the US House of Representatives. We do not have proportional representation in the US Senate. And since the Electoral College uses states votes as # house + # senate that is only sort of proportional. But proportional representation isn't all it's cracked up to be. It doesn't necessarily respect minority rights. And it would require doing away with the Senate..
 
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We have proportional representation in the US House of Representatives. We do not have proportional representation in the US Senate. And since the Electoral College uses states votes as # house + # senate that is only sort of proportional. But proportional representation isn't all it's cracked up to be. It doesn't necessarily respect minority rights. And it would require doing away with the Senate..
Yeah, there is no good solution to this. We live in a fallen world, man. We have to somehow respect minorities, as well as respect the majority. Our system has worked okay for a while. Could it be possible to weight the averages between the popular vote and the EC votes? So, say if a candidate won 54% of the popular vote, but 48% of the electoral vote, then, could we take the average of 54% and 48%, and say the candidate won with 51% of the combined vote?
 
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Yeah, there is no good solution to this. We live in a fallen world, man. We have to somehow respect minorities, as well as respect the majority. Our system has worked okay for a while. Could it be possible to weight the averages between the popular vote and the EC votes? So, say if a candidate won 54% of the popular vote, but 48% of the electoral vote, then, could we take the average of 54% and 48%, and say the candidate won with 51% of the combined vote?
It actually works OK now. It's just that the Democrats really really didn't like it working against them. It's standard Democratic Party response to losing elections. It was pioneered successfully in the Coleman vs Franken Senate contest in Minnesota and then unsuccessfully in the Bush vs Gore election. Democrats tend to get huge minorities in some states and think that should carry the day. If they wanted to win in the EC they should do it by winning the greater number of precincts and districts. A map of districts won is typically mostly all one color all over the country with major cities the other color. It's very non-random.
 
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It actually works OK now. It's just that the Democrats really really didn't like it working against them. It's standard Democratic Party response to losing elections. It was pioneered successfully in the Coleman vs Franken Senate contest in Minnesota and then unsuccessfully in the Bush vs Gore election. Democrats tend to get huge minorities in some states and think that should carry the day. If they wanted to win in the EC they should do it by winning the greater number of precincts and districts. A map of districts won is typically mostly all one color all over the country with major cities the other color. It's very non-random.
What about gerrymandering? What happens if the Democrats gerrymander, and then the Republican loses? But yes, I do see your point.
 
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What about gerrymandering? What happens if the Democrats gerrymander, and then the Republican loses? But yes, I do see your point.
We should set up a program that draws districts based on shortest boundary length. Which would be the opposite of gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is the result of political parties seeking advantage and not of the need for districts or something fundamental in how the EC works..
 
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We should set up a program that draws districts based on shortest boundary length. Which would be the opposite of gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is the result of political parties seeking advantage and not of the need for districts or something fundamental in how the EC works..
Yep, and that system should be run entirely by computer also.
 
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I think the Democrats as a party need to just be destroyed and something new be created to replace them. I'm thinking the same about the Republicans. They feed off each other.
I've said for years that the Democrats should be disbanded, and the Republicans should be replaced with a Constitutional party, something that actually adheres to American law. In fact, we need to take all the power away from political parties---they have dominated our policies long enough. Politics is too serious a business to leave in the hands of politicians. Or political parties.
We've seen it. It shouldn't surprise us that it could happen. Beruit was a jewel of a city before it got to be a bombed out city.
It was known as "the Switzerland of the Middle East" prior to 1975. But not any more.
Maybe Russia takes Canada and the North and East while China takes the West and South. Or maybe the UN takes over with Russian and Chinese troops.
Well, I don't know how much power the UN actually has....it seems like the last time it had any swing at all was during the Korean War; maybe a few of those African revolutions in the 60s. And how much threat is presented by an organization that sends its troops to the front wearing bright blue helmets, riding in white personnel carriers???
Yep, and that system should be run entirely by computer also.
You mean like Skynet?
 
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That's the scary scenario. In Belfast and Armagh and Derry, it just went on and on: bombings, assassinations, hit and run shootings, heavy-handed military reprisals, vigilante justice, vengeance and revenge killings.....and in the end, nobody won. Not the Provisional Irish Republican Army, not the Royal Ulster Constabulary, not the Irish National Liberation Army, not the Ulster Defence Association, not the Red Hand Commandos, Ulster Volunteer Force, or the British Army. All that happened was, the reprisals simply went on and on, until the various parties basically got sick of fighting, and decided to just.....quit.

That's what I see happening here. The sides will break down street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, the barricades will go up, the windows will be filled with snipers, the Molotov cocktails will fly, the kids will grow up thinking that hurling rocks at the people on the other side of the fence is normal behavior, and when the Army or the National Guard moves in to restore order, whoever opposes them will be doing more than hurling brickbats and firebombs---they'll be setting off booby traps and bombs to drive them back out. And it will just go on and on and on. Ireland's Troubles went on for approximately 30 years, more or less, which is pretty much an eternity for people who are caught in the crosshairs of the various hostile factions.

The only way I see a different scenario in this between Ulster and the United States is that in our case, we have China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, and the militant jihadist groups of your choice, all waiting to pounce once we're weak enough that we can't fight them off. A foreign military intervention into an American "Troubles" is a very likely possibility; while Antifa and the Students for Justice in Palestine are swapping potshots with the Illinois Sons of Liberty and the Patriot Front in the streets of Chicago, China could land several hundred ships bearing thousands of troops in California and Oregon, and from there start moving inland, with the excuse being that America's nuclear arsenal presents a threat to world peace and stability, so they're moving in to "restore stability and order".

It could happen. Even worse would be if, say, China and Russia decided to squabble with each other over who gets what, and start battling each other on American soil. Or one of their proxies, say, Iran, with Russia's backing, or North Korea with China's backing, decides that things aren't moving fast enough, and go to an extreme, setting off a nuclear or biological weapon somewhere. Any way you slice this, it ain't gonna be pretty, and if you aren't scared, you ought to be. :(
Thank you for sharing this.
Given your military background, I've wanted to ask you what you thought could happen.

I fight becoming fearful, often. But it is a fight ...

(Psalm 91 helps)
 
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Thank you for sharing this.
Given your military background, I've wanted to ask you what you thought could happen.

I fight becoming fearful, often. But it is a fight ...

(Psalm 91 helps)
I DON'T have a military background but I survived a coup. It was out of the blue. There was one warning we got the evening before, but it was too cryptic for us to understand at the time. Only later did we get it that them telling us to get out of town was for our own benefit.

It was dangerous, but in retrospect the fears were the biggest thing. We holed up at the American embassy residence for a week before getting airlifted out. That 'normalcy bias' we all have keeps us from being mentally prepared, and then when not prepared we freak out.
 
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That is true. It seems like the Democrats in congress are far more left-wing compared to everyday Democrats. Pray that the Democrats learn to go back to a pro-life stance.
Unless they give up their pro-LGBT and anti-life stance, they will never return to pro-life stance. They go hand-in-hand.

The LGBT movement has the blood of the unborn on their hands.

Sad, but true.
 
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Unless they give up their pro-LGBT and anti-life stance, they will never return to pro-life stance. They go hand-in-hand.

The LGBT movement has the blood of the unborn on their hands.

Sad, but true.
The LGTV movement is dark, just like the abortion stuff. Both of those things need to stay out of church, and out of the world. Sadly, woke churches allow that stuff.
 
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The LGTV movement is dark, just like the abortion stuff. Both of those things need to stay out of church, and out of the world. Sadly, woke churches allow that stuff.
They're connected. Trust me. Sin begets sin.
 
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They're connected. Trust me. Sin begets sin.
Yep. Totally. Made some posts about the decline of our world, and I will release a devotional later this year about how we are in the End Times and this evil stuff will become more common
 
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