The Democrats’ Radical Shift From ‘Safe, Legal and Rare’ to Abortion Vans

Michie · Aug 22, 2024

The 2024 platform is a long way from 1992’s.

Planned Parenthood mobile van parked outside the Democratic National Convention offering free abortions and vasectomies. (photo: Screenshot / X Account of NYPost last visited on August 22, 2024.)

CHICAGO — Sixteen years ago feels like an eternity in terms of the Democratic Party’s messaging on abortion.

Speaking at a 2008 “Faith and Compassion” forum for Democratic presidential candidates, former president Barack Obama critiqued his party’s approach to the abortion issue.

“There is a moral dimension to abortion, which I think that all too often those of us who are pro-choice have not talked about or tried to tamp down,” he said.

That same evening, his opponent for the Democratic nomination, former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, said she believed abortion “should remain legal, but it needs to be safe and rare — and by rare, I mean rare.” Her husband, former president Bill Clinton, introduced the phrase into American politics during his presidential run in 1992.

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The Democrats’ Radical Shift From ‘Safe, Legal and Rare’ to Abortion Vans

The 2024 platform is a long way from 1992’s.

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Vambram · Aug 22, 2024

In my opinion, there is no doubt that the Democratic Party has sold its soul upon the altar of aborting and killing unborn babies.

Fantine · Aug 22, 2024

Stop blaming the DNC for what an independent non-profit does.

Obviously they are doing this because many states no longer have Planned Parenthoods to offer their low-cost services to out of towners.

As far as I can see, Democrats are invested in seeing women have the number of children they want when they are ready, by "planning." If every pregnancy was a wanted pregnancy abortions would never happen.

If women had access to sex education and contraception, almost every pregnancy would be wanted.

Restricting contraception will result in more unwanted pregnancies.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Aug 22, 2024

Fantine said:
Restricting contraception will result in more unwanted pregnancies.

Your faith is more of a suit isn't it? Only put it on when you pretend to be morally righteous in funding government programs.

It's obvious to everyone your death cult loves the presence of this independent non-profit. You do as well.

Vambram · Aug 22, 2024

Planned Parenthood might call itself an independent non-profit organization. But the real truth is out there. It is well known that Planned Parenthood receives millions of dollars from the government. Again, it is my opinion that the Democratic Party has sold its soul upon the altar of abortion killing unborn babies by the millions and millions.

Fantine · Aug 22, 2024

The government reimburses PP for allowed services--pap smears, birth control, cancer screenings--as they would any other medical facility.
Just a reminder that your opinion is not based on real truth.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Aug 22, 2024

Fantine said:
The government reimburses PP for allowed services--pap smears, birth control, cancer screenings--as they would any other medical facility.
Just a reminder that your opinion is not based on real truth.

Why is it your automatic instinct to defend planned parenthood? Which is primarily an abortion provider?

Vambram · Aug 22, 2024

Fantine said:
The government reimburses PP for allowed services--pap smears, birth control, cancer screenings--as they would any other medical facility.
Just a reminder that your opinion is not based on real truth.

The real truth is that the leadership of the Democratic Party LOVES abortions and is heavily influenced by Planned Parenthood and the Abortion Industry.

Fantine · Aug 22, 2024

The "truth" you hear from extremist propaganda is usually not the truth.

Vambram · Aug 22, 2024

I consistently hear from the leaders of the Democratic Party how important abortion is to them and how much value they themselves place on abortions.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Aug 22, 2024

Fantine said:
The "truth" you hear from extremist propaganda is usually not the truth.

What are you even talking about?

Fantine · Aug 22, 2024

I am a Democrat and I hear about "choice" and freedom.

They also defend rights to bear children. Even if IVF is needed.

Or to be parents even if you are single or a same-sex couple.

When you drive on bald tires you will get a flat. Much more expense and trouble. I have driven for 56 years. Roadside flats can almost always be prevented.

As can pregnancy...but people are aware of efforts to ban birth control and are concerned.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Aug 22, 2024

Fantine said:
I am a Democrat and I hear about "choice" and freedom.

Why do you defend the freedom to murder one's child as a Catholic? Does your identity as a Democrat override your faith?

Fantine said:
They also defend rights to bear children. Even if IVF is needed.

What does the Church teach about IVF?

Fantine said:
Or to be parents even if you are single or a same-sex couple.

Does your Church approve of same sex relationships?

Fantine said:
As can pregnancy...but people are aware of efforts to ban birth control and are concerned.

Why do you as a Catholic support birth control, contrary to your faith?

Fantine · Aug 22, 2024

I look at both parties:
The character (or complete lack) of their candidatesm.
Their position on all life and social justice issues, including poverty, racism, immigration, gun violence, unjust war and genocide, climate and environmental policy, human rights, and abortion.
I take my responsibility as a voter seriously.
When I consider all life issues, I find the Democratic Party wins by an enormous margin.
Personally, I would like some limits on abortion, but I also recognize that almost all abortions occur very early unless there are grave health issues.
But ignoring climate change will destroy our planet. Not stopping totalitarian Putin now--on his path to world domination--will do the same.
Ignoring the suffering around us to give taxes to the rich...so many things.
A just society would end more abortions than the dystopian nightmare which could face us with Project 2025.

Adam56 · Aug 22, 2024

Fantine said:
But ignoring climate change will destroy our planet.

Fantine · Aug 22, 2024

I'll listen to 95% of the world's climatologists and the collective knowledge of the world's nations.
I believe in science.

Tuur · Aug 23, 2024

Fantine said:
I'll listen to 95% of the world's climatologists and the collective knowledge of the world's nations.
I believe in science.

Slightly out of arm's reach, I have a book on astronomy that's over a century old. In one chapter is briefly mentions the Andromeda nebula. That was the science of the time. We now know what was thought to be a nebula is a galaxy. At the time that book was published, that our galaxy was one of many wasn't known.

You believe in science? Fair enough. But which science is to be believed? The one that describes a nebula in the constellation of Andromeda or the one that describes a galaxy? Both are science, both are based on collective knowledge of their times.

As for myself, I think the scientific method is a sound means of inquiry within the boundary of repeatable results, but I know what it "says" is subject to change without notice. "Collective" knowledge doesn't matter. What does is if the what is known holds up to scientific inquiry. Human anatomy flew into the face of the collective knowledge based on Galan's anatomy, and discrepancies in the observed motion of the planets didn't agree with the collective knowledge based on Ptolemy.

With climate, there are discrepancies. Elsewhere I mentioned that an observed high for Savannah, Georgia, in the 18th Century tied the all-time official high set in 1986. If temperature is increasing, shouldn't it be higher over two centuries later? Or is there some other mechanism going on? Or is it that temperature is increasing but the effects are not what is predicted? You do know increasing the daily low temperature can raise the average even if the high remains capped, right? But I keep up with readings going back to about 1940 for one location and it's been in an overall downward trend since around 2015 (would have to pull up the data to be sure as to the year). Why? I don't know, only that it is and doesn't agree with what we're told is "collective" knowledge.

Fantine · Aug 23, 2024

This is a forum not a courtroom.

Michie · Aug 23, 2024

Democrats Double and Triple Down on Abortion

EDITORIAL: The presence of a Planned Parenthood abortion van adjacent to the site of the Democratic National Convention spotlights the party’s total embrace of legal abortion, with no moral qualms.

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Aldebaran · Aug 23, 2024

Fantine said:
If women had access to sex education and contraception, almost every pregnancy would be wanted.

Don't they already get this in High School? Sex ed classes, along with birth control devices in the restrooms?

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