About Christians Who Follow Donald Trump

Stephen3141 · Aug 18, 2024

2024 Archives - Christianity Today

www.christianitytoday.com

An interesting article by Christianity Today, on the relationship of Christianity
and political figures.

Christianity has never been about identifying with a political party or figure.

Donald Trump is anything, but Christian, in his lifestyle.

Yet, the younger generations often cringe at the word "Evangelical", because
they associate it now with Donald Trump.

There is the common misunderstanding that a Christian, to appear to NOT
be leftist or an atheist or a communist, must support Trump.

This article asked some hard quesitons about what Christians want to identify with.
And whether or not those identifications are destructive, or even Christian.

The overall conclusion is that Trump is a disastrous leader, for American
Evangelicals. And, is one of the most divisive personalities in the history
of America. And, that Christians must break this political identification
between Trump, and Christianity.

A_JAY · Aug 18, 2024

"The implication that to be a Christian one must adopt a particular political ideology or partisan identity is awfully close to the Galatian heresy the apostle Paul called a different gospel altogether (Gal. 1:6–7)."

Adam56 · Aug 18, 2024

I don’t go around wearing a MAGA hat but I’m voting for Trump in November. Not because he’s some godly Christian man but his policies seem better.

Adam56 · Aug 18, 2024

You might add that this leader asks his supporters to wave away his sexual abuse of women, his criminal charges for seeking to use mob violence to keep him in power, his hush money to a porn star, his incitements to violence, his lies, his cruelty, his narcissism, and his dismissal of personal moral character as weakness.

This article already made a mistake. Trump never advocated for violence he advocated the opposite, for civil protesting.

Maria Billingsley · Aug 18, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
2024 Archives - Christianity Today

www.christianitytoday.com

An interesting article by Christianity Today, on the relationship of Christianity
and political figures.

Christianity has never been about identifying with a political party or figure.

Donald Trump is anything, but Christian, in his lifestyle.

Yet, the younger generations often cringe at the word "Evangelical", because
they associate it now with Donald Trump.

There is the common misunderstanding that a Christian, to appear to NOT
be leftist or an atheist or a communist, must support Trump.

This article asked some hard quesitons about what Christians want to identify with.
And whether or not those identifications are destructive, or even Christian.

The overall conclusion is that Trump is a disastrous leader, for American
Evangelicals. And, is one of the most divisive personalities in the history
of America. And, that Christians must break this political identification
between Trump, and Christianity.

Sadly, I have dropped the label of Evangelical as well and I am in my 60's. I am a Christian not an Evangelical any more. I do hope they haven't poisoned the harvest of this age to the point of no return.

AlexB23 · Aug 18, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
2024 Archives - Christianity Today

www.christianitytoday.com

An interesting article by Christianity Today, on the relationship of Christianity
and political figures.

Christianity has never been about identifying with a political party or figure.

Donald Trump is anything, but Christian, in his lifestyle.

Yet, the younger generations often cringe at the word "Evangelical", because
they associate it now with Donald Trump.

There is the common misunderstanding that a Christian, to appear to NOT
be leftist or an atheist or a communist, must support Trump.

This article asked some hard quesitons about what Christians want to identify with.
And whether or not those identifications are destructive, or even Christian.

The overall conclusion is that Trump is a disastrous leader, for American
Evangelicals. And, is one of the most divisive personalities in the history
of America. And, that Christians must break this political identification
between Trump, and Christianity.

I agree with this statement. Trump is no god, neither is Kamala. Only Jesus is God, and we should not put much trust into things of this world.

1 John 5:19 (NKJV): "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one."

eleos1954 · Aug 18, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
2024 Archives - Christianity Today

www.christianitytoday.com

An interesting article by Christianity Today, on the relationship of Christianity
and political figures.

Christianity has never been about identifying with a political party or figure.

Donald Trump is anything, but Christian, in his lifestyle.

Yet, the younger generations often cringe at the word "Evangelical", because
they associate it now with Donald Trump.

There is the common misunderstanding that a Christian, to appear to NOT
be leftist or an atheist or a communist, must support Trump.

This article asked some hard quesitons about what Christians want to identify with.
And whether or not those identifications are destructive, or even Christian.

The overall conclusion is that Trump is a disastrous leader, for American
Evangelicals. And, is one of the most divisive personalities in the history
of America. And, that Christians must break this political identification
between Trump, and Christianity.

We aren't electing a god ... we are electing a person that we believe will best lead the country and address our country's challenges.

All people are faulty ... our society is made up of many religions and some/many with no religion at all. The important thing is ... we need to keep church and state separate ... beyond that ... we should look at what policies the candidates are putting forth and HOW those policies will be implemented.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Aug 18, 2024

If you want an authentic Christian political reaction to America or any western liberal democracy, you'd find that Christians couldn't support any of the establishment parties and that any Christian political action would be far too radical because it would challenge the liberal and secular priors of establishment parties all throughout the West. Christianity isn't tied to Trump, but I can understand why Christians would vote for him based on his sympathy for them. The democrats and leftists more broadly hold contempt for traditional Christianity and it's values. This doesn't mean Trump perfectly represents right leaning Christians but he's the best choice they have even if he ultimately would undermine Christianity as well.

That's just the problem, it doesn't matter who you vote for, Christianity will still be undermined. One will just do it more slowly and maybe give the religious right some crumbs.

Mark Quayle · Aug 18, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
2024 Archives - Christianity Today

www.christianitytoday.com

An interesting article by Christianity Today, on the relationship of Christianity
and political figures.

Christianity has never been about identifying with a political party or figure.

Donald Trump is anything, but Christian, in his lifestyle.

Yet, the younger generations often cringe at the word "Evangelical", because
they associate it now with Donald Trump.

There is the common misunderstanding that a Christian, to appear to NOT
be leftist or an atheist or a communist, must support Trump.

This article asked some hard quesitons about what Christians want to identify with.
And whether or not those identifications are destructive, or even Christian.

The overall conclusion is that Trump is a disastrous leader, for American
Evangelicals. And, is one of the most divisive personalities in the history
of America. And, that Christians must break this political identification
between Trump, and Christianity.

What makes anyone think that voting for Trump and against the other option is the same thing as "identifying with" Trump?

Trump, as far as I can see, has done more to correct the downfall of this country, than any other recent president, so I will vote for him again unless I see reason not to.

I don't particularly identify with him except, maybe, with his disrespect for liberal media. And that, I love about him! Watching the media's prickly way of dealing with Trump is like watching the actions of a cat being harassed by a mockingbird. I love it when a cat's dignity is damaged, because a cat's dignity is all self-assumed. The media is false.

The fact that Trump sounds like a self-important drunk in a bar room doesn't change the fact that he has done more for this country than I think even Ted Cruz could have done, and certainly more than any democrat in my experience, to include JFK; and that he has done so in the face of worse opposition from even those in his own party, than any president in history, is more than admirable.

Adam56 · Aug 18, 2024

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
If you want an authentic Christian political reaction to America or any western liberal democracy, you'd find that Christians couldn't support any of the establishment parties and that any Christian political action would be far too radical because it would challenge the liberal and secular priors of establishment parties all throughout the West. Christianity isn't tied to Trump, but I can understand why Christians would vote for him based on his sympathy for them. The democrats and leftists more broadly hold contempt for traditional Christianity and it's values. This doesn't mean Trump perfectly represents right leaning Christians but he's the best choice they have even if he ultimately would undermine Christianity as well.

That's just the problem, it doesn't matter who you vote for, Christianity will still be undermined. One will just do it more slowly and maybe give the religious right some crumbs.

Vambram · Aug 18, 2024

AlexB23 said:
I agree with this statement. Trump is no god, neither is Kamala. Only Jesus is God, and we should not put much trust into things of this world.

1 John 5:19 (NKJV): "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one."

I do not know of ANY Christians whom are voting for Donald Trump that come anywhere close to attempting to try to say that Trump is a god. That article is filled with baseless and ignorant opinions.

AlexB23 · Aug 18, 2024

Vambram said:
I do not know of ANY Christians whom are voting for Donald Trump that come anywhere close to attempting to try to say that Trump is a god. That article is filled with baseless and ignorant opinions.

There are a few Christians who worship Trump like a god, or come close, but luckily, I have not met any Christians like that. I do trust Christianity Today, but it would be nice if the articles were labeled better (as in "Opinion piece" or "current events"). Seems that the article is 80% opinion piece at least. I do not like any of the two candidates, but it would have been nice if a libertarian or third party supporter wrote the article. It does seem that the author, Russell Moore, supports 3rd party conservatives.

Oh wait, I actually like this guy. Moore supports 3rd party apparently, though he is a Calvinist.

Quote from Moore: "Christians should vote for 'a conservative independent or third-party candidate.' Moore stated that he could not support the former because he "stirs up racial animosity" and could not support the latter for her support of abortion."

Here is info about the author of the article. He is Baptist at least:

Russell D. Moore - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Vambram · Aug 19, 2024

AlexB23 said:
There are a few Christians who worship Trump like a god, or come close, but luckily, I have not met any Christians like that. I do trust Christianity Today, but it would be nice if the articles were labeled better (as in "Opinion piece" or "current events"). Seems that the article is 80% opinion piece at least. I do not like any of the two candidates, but it would have been nice if a libertarian or third party supporter wrote the article. It does seem that the author, Russell Moore, supports 3rd party conservatives.

Oh wait, I actually like this guy. Moore supports 3rd party apparently, though he is a Calvinist.

Quote from Moore: "Christians should vote for 'a conservative independent or third-party candidate.' Moore stated that he could not support the former because he "stirs up racial animosity" and could not support the latter for her support of abortion."

Here is info about the author of the article. He is Baptist at least:

Russell D. Moore - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Russel Moore is incorrect. Donald Trump does NOT stir up racial animosity. In my opinion, that is a lie which the mainstream media attempts to try to constantly push.

AlexB23 · Aug 19, 2024

Vambram said:
Russel Moore is incorrect. Donald Trump does NOT stir up racial animosity. In my opinion, that is a lie which the mainstream media attempts to try to constantly push.

I might want to sleep on this, as it is getting late here. We will just see what happens on election day. The MSM has pushed lies on both sides of the aisle. I have no idea who to trust nowadays, and it seems that 3rd party is more trustworthy on my end. Seems that the left can be pretty racist as well, focusing on identity politics. In other words, both sides are not perfect. Either way, we are in the End Times, and the train will eventually derail. If we go with the left, the train may derail quickly (just look at that woke Olympics ceremony, or LGTV stuff getting into our churches). If we go with Trump, the train would derail as well in a different way, but I am not sure how fast the decline would be. The old adage is at play here: "Darned if we do, darned if we don't".

Tuur · Aug 19, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
2024 Archives - Christianity Today

www.christianitytoday.com

An interesting article by Christianity Today, on the relationship of Christianity
and political figures.

Christianity has never been about identifying with a political party or figure.

Donald Trump is anything, but Christian, in his lifestyle.

Yet, the younger generations often cringe at the word "Evangelical", because
they associate it now with Donald Trump.

There is the common misunderstanding that a Christian, to appear to NOT
be leftist or an atheist or a communist, must support Trump.

This article asked some hard quesitons about what Christians want to identify with.
And whether or not those identifications are destructive, or even Christian.

The overall conclusion is that Trump is a disastrous leader, for American
Evangelicals. And, is one of the most divisive personalities in the history
of America. And, that Christians must break this political identification
between Trump, and Christianity.

This is an argument I've seen made ever presidential election since at least the 1980s. The name of the GOP candidate is simply replaced with another one. Each time it overlooks what is never reported: evangelicals are split between the GOP and the DNC. You don't hear about that because the term "evangelical" has been conveniently defined along what some think are political lines. But the definition of evangelicals is simple: evangelicals evangelize. They are big on missions. And there are significant numbers that tend to vote for DNC candidates.

You don't hear much about that. Nor do you read articles claiming they are following the DNC candidate or damaging reception to the Gospel in how they vote. Curious thing, that.

Frankly I take the article to be yet another attempt to shame Christians who are considering voting against a DNC candidate. Christianity Today could run an article on how Christians voting for candidates who support things like abortion on demand harms the faith, but I won't hold my breath. Cynical? You bet.

Richard T · Aug 19, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
2024 Archives - Christianity Today

www.christianitytoday.com

An interesting article by Christianity Today, on the relationship of Christianity
and political figures.

Christianity has never been about identifying with a political party or figure.

Donald Trump is anything, but Christian, in his lifestyle.

Yet, the younger generations often cringe at the word "Evangelical", because
they associate it now with Donald Trump.

There is the common misunderstanding that a Christian, to appear to NOT
be leftist or an atheist or a communist, must support Trump.

This article asked some hard quesitons about what Christians want to identify with.
And whether or not those identifications are destructive, or even Christian.

The overall conclusion is that Trump is a disastrous leader, for American
Evangelicals. And, is one of the most divisive personalities in the history
of America. And, that Christians must break this political identification
between Trump, and Christianity.

Yesterday I looked more closely at what it means to call someone a "fool" as Matthew 5:22 discusses. The Greek word is basically a moron. Here is what one word study says. "Silly, stupid, foolish, from which the Eng. word "moron" is derived. Used of persons meaning morally worthless (Matt. 5:22). It is a more serious reproach than raká <G4469>, raca, which scorns a man by calling him stupid, whereas mōrós scorns him concerning his heart and character." (Complete Word Study Dictionary)

I'll leave the reader to decide if they want to agree if calling Trump or Harris a moron is a righteous act.

Besides this, the article does not mention anything about the alternatives. No mention of the abortion mobile clinic at their party convention, the anti-israel protesters or the many other contrasts between Trump and Harris.

Trump's politics too are not another gospel. It is a political platform, that actually has some sense on immigration, trade, the qualifications of judges and yes even the economy. When you compare the politics, policy and experience by all means, vote against who is lacking.

Yarddog · Aug 19, 2024

Adam56 said:
I don’t go around wearing a MAGA hat but I’m voting for Trump in November. Not because he’s some godly Christian man but his policies seem better.

What policies?

AlexB23 · Aug 19, 2024

Richard T said:
Yesterday I looked more closely at what it means to call someone a "fool" as Matthew 5:22 discusses. The Greek word is basically a moron. Here is what one word study says. "Silly, stupid, foolish, from which the Eng. word "moron" is derived. Used of persons meaning morally worthless (Matt. 5:22). It is a more serious reproach than raká <G4469>, raca, which scorns a man by calling him stupid, whereas mōrós scorns him concerning his heart and character." (Complete Word Study Dictionary)

I'll leave the reader to decide if they want to agree if calling Trump or Harris a moron is a righteous act.

Besides this, the article does not mention anything about the alternatives. No mention of the abortion mobile clinic at their party convention, the anti-israel protesters or the many other contrasts between Trump and Harris.

Trump's politics too are not another gospel. It is a political platform, that actually has some sense on immigration, trade, the qualifications of judges and yes even the economy. When you compare the politics, policy and experience by all means, vote against who is lacking.

Yeah, seeing that the author of the article is part of the 3rd party, I am surprised that he did not mention any 3rd party candidates, or any pro-life Democrats, or moderate Republicans.

Mark Quayle · Aug 19, 2024

AlexB23 said:
Quote from Moore: "Christians should vote for 'a conservative independent or third-party candidate.' Moore stated that he could not support the former because he "stirs up racial animosity" and could not support the latter for her support of abortion."

I hope Moore didn't vote for Obama, then...

AlexB23 · Aug 19, 2024

Mark Quayle said:
I hope Moore didn't vote for Obama, then...

He does not like any candidate, so Mr. Moore seems like a good guy.

He seems like one of the true independents, or centrists in this country. My buddy @chevyontheriver is another good centrist guy here. I do not harbor any hatred for the left or for the right, but just want to see the good old days where both parties worked together like what happened from roughly 1970-2010.

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