Olympic folks cannot tell male from female apparently

truthpls · Aug 10, 2024

"International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Thomas Bach said on Friday he is not aware of a ‘scientifically solid’ way to distinguish a man from a woman"

--"the IOC “would be more than pleased to look into” the situation, it does not have a way to probe the gender claims of either athlete at this time"

No ‘solid’ way to distinguish a man from a woman – IOC chief

Thomas Bach claims not to know how a person’s gender can be reliably determined

www.rt.com

Seriously? I never heard of such a problem in decades past. It seems to me one could take a person into a locker room and settle that issue in a minute?

PloverWing · Aug 10, 2024

Khelif and Lin pass the "take a person into a locker room" test. According to Bach: " 'We have two boxers who are born as a woman, who have been raised as a woman, who have a passport as a woman and who have competed for many years as a woman. This is the clear definition of a woman. There was never any doubt about them being a woman.' "

From what I've read, the IBA has not specified exactly what test they performed on Khelif and Lin. Until they do, it's hard to evaluate the validity of the test.

Source for quote: Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting: IOC president Thomas Bach defends boxers competing at Olympics

Hank77 · Aug 10, 2024

PloverWing said:
From what I've read, the IBA has not specified exactly what test they performed on Khelif and Lin. Until they do, it's hard to evaluate the validity of the test.

The 25-year-old was disqualified from the 2023 World Championships over a test that the International Boxing Association claims showed she had XY chromosomes.

Discussion: In world scientific literature at least fifteen successful pregnancies with pure gonadal dysgenesis XY have been described. In spite of the expectation of diminished uterine capacity, children are born to term with a normal delivery weight.

male/female?

truthpls · Aug 10, 2024

PloverWing said:
Khelif and Lin pass the "take a person into a locker room" test. According to Bach: " 'We have two boxers who are born as a woman, who have been raised as a woman, who have a passport as a woman and who have competed for many years as a woman. This is the clear definition of a woman. There was never any doubt about them being a woman.' "

Says who? The IOC? They admit not having any ability to tell female from male. Correct? A statement that someone was born a certain sex, when other big organizations tested them and they failed seems less than lame. Where is the locker room you claim the test was done exactly??

PloverWing said:
From what I've read, the IBA has not specified exactly what test they performed on Khelif and Lin. Until they do, it's hard to evaluate the validity of the test.

Nevertheless why would it be difficult to dispel doubt? Obviously the IOC would be the last people on earth to ask since they admit a total inability to tell the difference! You might as well ask a woodpecker or a rock.

truthpls · Aug 10, 2024

Hank77 said:
The 25-year-old was disqualified from the 2023 World Championships over a test that the International Boxing Association claims showed she had XY chromosomes.

Discussion: In world scientific literature at least fifteen successful pregnancies with pure gonadal dysgenesis XY have been described. In spite of the expectation of diminished uterine capacity, children are born to term with a normal delivery weight.

male/female?

So if that test is less than conclusive, how about asking them to pull down their drawers in a pee test room? How about simply prove they were born a certain gender rather than just say it? Etc

Hank77 · Aug 10, 2024

truthpls said:
So if that test is less than conclusive, how about asking them to pull down their drawers in a pee test room?

She tests XY.

truthpls said:
How about simply prove they were born a certain gender rather than just say it? Etc

There is no question about her genitalia and reproductive organs being female, that's been proven. Did you not understand -

Discussion: In world scientific literature at least fifteen successful pregnancies with pure gonadal dysgenesis XY have been described. In spite of the expectation of diminished uterine capacity, children are born to term with a normal delivery weight.

truthpls · Aug 10, 2024

Hank77 said:
She tests XY.

There is no question about her genitalia and reproductive organs being female, that's been proven. Did you not understand -

Discussion: In world scientific literature at least fifteen successful pregnancies with pure gonadal dysgenesis XY have been described. In spite of the expectation of diminished uterine capacity, children are born to term with a normal delivery weight.

You posted a general link about XY. How did that even address the 'genitalia' of a specific boxer? How about posting something about the actual person's genitalia?

578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports: A Nine-Month Tally - Women's Sports Policy Working Group

Every day, male athletes who "identify" as women win contests designed for females. But sports are not based on identity, they're based on biology.

womenssportspolicy.org

"578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports

*a.k.a Males Who Identify as Trans, or Transwomen"

That raises the question, if someone 'identifies' as a toddler, are they eligible for daycare subsidies?

Clare73 · Aug 10, 2024

truthpls said:
"International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Thomas Bach said on Friday
he is not aware of a ‘scientifically solid’ way to distinguish a man from a woman"

Check their chromosomes.

It's not complicated.

Hank77 · Aug 10, 2024

truthpls said:
You posted a general link about XY. How did that even address the 'genitalia' of a specific boxer? How about posting something about the actual person's genitalia?

578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports: A Nine-Month Tally - Women's Sports Policy Working Group

Every day, male athletes who "identify" as women win contests designed for females. But sports are not based on identity, they're based on biology.

womenssportspolicy.org

"578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports

*a.k.a Males Who Identify as Trans, or Transwomen"

That raises the question, if someone 'identifies' as a toddler, are they eligible for daycare subsidies?

My original post was not to you but to @PloverWing who posted this article about one of the boxers in question, Khelif. I believe my post was quite clear, one cannot get pregnant and give birth without female reproductive organs.

Source for quote: Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting: IOC president Thomas Bach defends boxers competing at Olympics

Hank77 · Aug 10, 2024

Clare73 said:
Check their chromosomes.

It's not complicated.

So a male can have female reproductive organs, get pregnant, and give birth to a normal child?

truthpls · Aug 10, 2024

Clare73 said:
Check their chromosomes.

It's not complicated.

I thought that was tried, but they got rid of the organization that did that? Then there is the other poster here who seems to be claiming that there are exceptions to that rule..?

truthpls · Aug 10, 2024

Hank77 said:
My original post was not to you but to @PloverWing who posted this article about one of the boxers in question, Khelif. I believe my post was quite clear, one cannot get pregnant and give birth without female reproductive organs.

Source for quote: Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting: IOC president Thomas Bach defends boxers competing at Olympics

Great, but who asked about that? The athlete that is the topic here was not determined by the IOC to be anything was he/she? They admitted they cannot tell, period. So what are you saying exactly? Are you saying the athlete has female genitalia? If so, you know that how?
I did not think it was rocket science to know male from female. For example, I could prove I am male in three seconds. Where is the mystery?

FireDragon76 · Aug 10, 2024

truthpls said:
"International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Thomas Bach said on Friday he is not aware of a ‘scientifically solid’ way to distinguish a man from a woman"

--"the IOC “would be more than pleased to look into” the situation, it does not have a way to probe the gender claims of either athlete at this time"

No ‘solid’ way to distinguish a man from a woman – IOC chief

Thomas Bach claims not to know how a person’s gender can be reliably determined

www.rt.com

Seriously? I never heard of such a problem in decades past. It seems to me one could take a person into a locker room and settle that issue in a minute?

RT is Russian propaganda.

truthpls · Aug 11, 2024

FireDragon76 said:
RT is Russian propaganda.

No scientific way to differentiate between men and women, Olympics official claims * WorldNetDaily * by Owen Klinsky, Daily Caller News Foundation

International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Thomas Bach suggested there is no scientific way to differentiate between men and women during a press conference on Friday.

www.wnd.com

Better? I actually find msnbc and cnn and some others to be propaganda.

Looking at policies of the IOC, I found this

"
the IOC Consensus Meeting agreed the following guidelines to be
taken into account by sports organisations when determining eligibility to compete
in male and female competition:
1. Those who transition from female to male are eligible to compete in the
male category without restriction.
2. Those who transition from male to female are eligible to compete in the
female category under the following conditions:
2.1. The athlete has declared that her gender identity is female. The
declaration cannot be changed, for sporting purposes, for a minimum
of four years."

https://stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf

So not only can they not tell man from woman, but it seems that what matters to the Olympic folks is what people declare they are! Then they have to stick by that for four years.

eleos1954 · Aug 11, 2024

truthpls said:
"International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Thomas Bach said on Friday he is not aware of a ‘scientifically solid’ way to distinguish a man from a woman"

--"the IOC “would be more than pleased to look into” the situation, it does not have a way to probe the gender claims of either athlete at this time"

No ‘solid’ way to distinguish a man from a woman – IOC chief

Thomas Bach claims not to know how a person’s gender can be reliably determined

www.rt.com

Seriously? I never heard of such a problem in decades past. It seems to me one could take a person into a locker room and settle that issue in a minute?

There are rare conditions where a person may have both XX and XY chromosomes however ...one example

Girls with Swyer syndrome have an XY chromosomal makeup (as boys normally do) instead of an XX chromosomal makeup (as girls normally do). Despite having the XY chromosomal makeup, girls with Swyer syndrome look female and have functional female genitalia and structures including a vagina, uterus and fallopian tubes.

Again .... very rare but these conditions do exist ... it's reported (Fact check on Algerian fighter Imane Khelif, DSDs, biology and Olympic boxing) this individual has DSD

Clare73 · Aug 11, 2024

Hank77 said:
So a male can have female reproductive organs, get pregnant, and give birth to a normal child?

New to me. . .

But he can't be without the Y chromosome.

truthpls · Aug 11, 2024

eleos1954 said:
There are rare conditions where a person may have both XX and XY chromosomes however ...one example

Girls with Swyer syndrome have an XY chromosomal makeup (as boys normally do) instead of an XX chromosomal makeup (as girls normally do). Despite having the XY chromosomal makeup, girls with Swyer syndrome look female and have functional female genitalia and structures including a vagina, uterus and fallopian tubes.

Again .... very rare but these conditions do exist ... it's reported (Fact check on Algerian fighter Imane Khelif, DSDs, biology and Olympic boxing) this individual has DSD

Right, but when hundreds of athletes are involved that is not a significant factor. One factor that is important is that men and women were created differently. The woman is basically the weaker vessel. We all were not created to be the same. There is a trend where the people who chose to identity as a female are winning a lot. That is not fair or godly. In the case of an athlete that was tested and found to be ineligible for a certain gender competition, it seems to me that it would be reasonable to prove whether they are one gender or the other.

eleos1954 · Aug 11, 2024

truthpls said:
Right, but when hundreds of athletes are involved that is not a significant factor. One factor that is important is that men and women were created differently. The woman is basically the weaker vessel. We all were not created to be the same. There is a trend where the people who chose to identity as a female are winning a lot. That is not fair or godly. In the case of an athlete that was tested and found to be ineligible for a certain gender competition, it seems to me that it would be reasonable to prove whether they are one gender or the other.

I would agree ... but like I said there are some very rare cases that could be disputed ... so in these rare cases there needs to be something in place to determine eligibility ... that is ... if a person has both XX and XY chromosomes.

The point is ... it needs to be biologically determined.

What happened was ... in the past gender was understood to be male or female ... the definition of that word was expanded to include "identify as" and this is what has caused all the chaos/confusion.

I may identify as a unicorn but that don't make me one.

truthpls · Aug 11, 2024

eleos1954 said:
I would agree ... but like I said there are some very rare cases that could be disputed ... so in these rare cases there needs to be something in place to determine eligibility ... that is ... if a person has both XX and XY chromosomes.

How many athletes in the Olympics or sports world can you name that have that? That seems to be a diversion from the issue. Women having to put up with men in their bathrooms and winning their competitions seems pretty cut and dry.

eleos1954 said:
The point is ... it needs to be biologically determined.

What happened was ... in the past gender was understood to be male or female ... the definition of that word was expanded to include "identify as" and this is what has caused all the chaos/confusion.

Demonic

eleos1954 said:
I may identify as a unicorn but that don't make me one.

Exactly. Male and female created He them.

JimR-OCDS · Aug 11, 2024

truthpls said:
Right, but when hundreds of athletes are involved that is not a significant factor. One factor that is important is that men and women were created differently. The woman is basically the weaker vessel. We all were not created to be the same. There is a trend where the people who chose to identity as a female are winning a lot. That is not fair or godly. In the case of an athlete that was tested and found to be ineligible for a certain gender competition, it seems to me that it would be reasonable to prove whether they are one gender or the other.

Swyer syndrome affects sexual development. People with this intersex condition have XY (male) chromosomes and functional female genitalia. With Swyer syndrome, ovaries or testes never develop, so you won’t go through puberty unless you have hormone replacement therapy.

Swyer Syndrome

People with Swyer syndrome have XY (male) chromosomes and have functional female genitalia. Learn more about living with Swyer syndrome.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Did Imane Khelif, go through puberty like a male would, or a female?

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