Donald Trump's Story of his Helicopter Ride, is Fiction

Stephen3141 · Aug 10, 2024

'Angry' Trump Fumes At New York Times Over Reporting On His Helicopter Story

The former president reportedly "excoriated" the paper before blasting "Two Failing New York Times 'reporters'" on his Truth Social platform.

www.huffpost.com

Trump claimed recently that he was on a wild helicopter ride with a
former mayor of San Francisco, when the helicopter had to make an emergency
landing....

The former mayor denies that he has ever taken a helicopter ride
with Trump.

As with other Trump "stories", when journalists confront him with
the falseness of his story, he blows up in anger.

And THAT journalists continue to call Trump on his lying, Trump
claims is evidence that people are persecuting him.

Trump is one troubled candidate.

d taylor · Aug 10, 2024

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Not sure what they looked back in 89

Lukaris · Aug 10, 2024

Trump is probably starting to become senile and this is not good for conservatives. Of course, others might be getting their champagne glasses ready like:

Lackawanna County staffer who wished assassin killed Trump back on the job

Democratic county commissioners refuse to comment on why they didn't fire Rick Notari.

www.wvia.org

Trump’s confusion.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/09/trump-plane-crash-california-00173487

AlexB23 · Aug 10, 2024

Lukaris said:
Trump is probably starting to become senile and this is not good for conservatives. Of course, others might be getting their champagne glasses ready like:

Lackawanna County staffer who wished assassin killed Trump back on the job

Democratic county commissioners refuse to comment on why they didn't fire Rick Notari.

www.wvia.org

Trump’s confusion.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/09/trump-plane-crash-california-00173487

Yep, I found the article about the 1989 chopper crash, which Trump was not onboard.

Source:

3 Trump execs, 2 pilots die as helicopter crashes in Parkway median

(Published Wednesday, October 11, 1989)

pressofatlanticcity.com

Info about the helicopter itself, for aviation nerds:

AgustaWestland AW109 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Servus · Aug 10, 2024

Are they really grasping at a possible memory glitch over something from 35 years ago as evidence of dementia? And also going with the idea that a 90 year old has a better recollection?

Lukaris · Aug 10, 2024

AlexB23 said:
Yep, I found the article about the 1989 chopper crash, which Trump was not onboard.

Source:

3 Trump execs, 2 pilots die as helicopter crashes in Parkway median

(Published Wednesday, October 11, 1989)

pressofatlanticcity.com

Info about the helicopter itself, for aviation nerds:

AgustaWestland AW109 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Whatever opinion a person might have of Trump, I believe, before the assassination attempt, he was soundly alert. I still believe he is basically alert but this seems concerning and is a seriously awkward situation.

AlexB23 · Aug 10, 2024

Lukaris said:
Whatever opinion a person might have of Trump, I believe, before the assassination attempt, he was soundly alert. I still believe he is basically alert but this seems concerning and is a seriously awkward situation.

Agreed. Regardless of whether we support Trump or Kamala (for myself, a third party would be nice), Trump was more alert before the attempt, but seems to have gotten worse. Both Trump and Biden were born in the 1940s, and health problems start to arise when folks get up in age. We should pray for the elderly.

Lukaris · Aug 10, 2024

ozso said:
That happened in Atlantic City, NJ not San Francisco, CA. Are you sure it's the same

ozso said:
Are they really grasping at a possible memory glitch over something from 35 years ago as evidence of dementia? And also going with the idea that a 90 year old has a better recollection?

Trump seems to be mixing up 3 different flights in his recollection. He flew in 2018 with then CA governor Jerry Brown & Gavin Newsom observing & assessing forest fires. In 1990 there were genuine mechanical issues on a flight he shared with Los Angeles councilman Nate Holden . In 1989 3 executives in Trump’s business were killed in another helicopter crash. All articles so far linked have this info.

Servus · Aug 10, 2024

Lukaris said:
Whatever opinion a person might have of Trump, I believe, before the assassination attempt, he was soundly alert. I still believe he is basically alert but this seems concerning and is a seriously awkward situation.

Are you going with the notion that a bullet grazing his ear caused brain damage?

Lukaris · Aug 10, 2024

ozso said:
Are you going with the notion that a bullet grazing his ear caused brain damage?

Not at all, I voted for Trump in 2016 & 2020. I intend to vote the same in this election and I am not saying he is lying but does seem confused. I want to be wrong. I don’t think I could have the stamina he does at my age now (60).

FreeinChrist · Aug 10, 2024

Trump, himself, is doubling down about his story though shown to be false.

'Angry' Trump Fumes At New York Times Over Reporting On His Helicopter Story

The former president reportedly "excoriated" the paper before blasting "Two Failing New York Times 'reporters'" on his Truth Social platform.

www.huffpost.com

Read his Truth Social post quoted in the article. That is not the ravings of a reasonable person imho

Servus · Aug 10, 2024

Lukaris said:
Not at all, I voted for Trump in 2016 & 2020. I intend to vote the same in this election and I am not saying he is lying but does seem confused. I want to be wrong.

It's quite possible he got mixed up. But I don't see how the assassination attempt would have anything to do with it. Nor do I see how getting his wires crossed over something that happened 35 years ago amounts to anything. Really I'd think they'd be mocking him for getting Nate Holden mixed up with Willie Brown, saying something like "they all look alike to Trump".

ralliann · Aug 10, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
'Angry' Trump Fumes At New York Times Over Reporting On His Helicopter Story

The former president reportedly "excoriated" the paper before blasting "Two Failing New York Times 'reporters'" on his Truth Social platform.

www.huffpost.com

Trump claimed recently that he was on a wild helicopter ride with a
former mayor of San Francisco, when the helicopter had to make an emergency
landing....

The former mayor denies that he has ever taken a helicopter ride
with Trump.

As with other Trump "stories", when journalists confront him with
the falseness of his story, he blows up in anger.

And THAT journalists continue to call Trump on his lying, Trump
claims is evidence that people are persecuting him.

Trump is one troubled candidate.

So the governor lied.

truthpls · Aug 10, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
'Angry' Trump Fumes At New York Times Over Reporting On His Helicopter Story

The former president reportedly "excoriated" the paper before blasting "Two Failing New York Times 'reporters'" on his Truth Social platform.

www.huffpost.com

Trump claimed recently that he was on a wild helicopter ride with a
former mayor of San Francisco, when the helicopter had to make an emergency
landing....

The former mayor denies that he has ever taken a helicopter ride
with Trump.

As with other Trump "stories", when journalists confront him with
the falseness of his story, he blows up in anger.

And THAT journalists continue to call Trump on his lying, Trump
claims is evidence that people are persecuting him.

Trump is one troubled candidate.

One question, did anyone fact check the SF mayor's claim they never took the ride?

FreeinChrist · Aug 10, 2024

ralliann said:
So the governor lied.

No. Trump is confused.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/trump-says-records-bad-helicopter-flight-willie-19632289.php

Holden, 95, a former California senator, recounted for those publications a time in about 1990 when he and Trump rode a helicopter in New Jersey that had to make an emergency landing.

“Willie is the short Black guy living in San Francisco,” Holden told Politico. “I’m a tall Black guy living in Los Angeles.”.....

On Thursday night, the New York Times reported that Trump had once been on a helicopter ride with former California Gov. Jerry Brown — and had apparently confused the two political leaders.

Trump, former Gov. Brown and then-Gov.-elect Gavin Newsom took a helicopter ride together on Nov. 17, 2018, from Beale Air Force Base to visit Butte County, where the Camp Fire, California’s deadliest wildfire, had nearly wiped out the town of Paradise, killing 85 people. Both Jerry Brown and Gavin Newsom have said there was no emergency landing.

Ken Pimlott, who spent 30 years with Cal Fire, including as the agency’s fire chief during Gov. Jerry Brown’s administration, told the Chronicle Saturday that there was no disaster landing.

“I remember that day pretty well,” Pimlott said, referring to the destruction the Camp Fire had caused. Pimlott said he and other public safety leaders waited for the helicopter carrying Trump, Newsom and Brown to land at Chico airport after their flight to survey the fire.

“Marine One taxied probably 100 yards from us,” he said. “Throughout this entire process, no indication there was ever any issue whatsoever. The helicopter was generally on time, I mean everything was falling into schedule. There was no indication of any issues relative to the flight.”

Servus · Aug 10, 2024

FreeinChrist said:
No. Trump is confused.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/trump-says-records-bad-helicopter-flight-willie-19632289.php

Holden, 95, a former California senator, recounted for those publications a time in about 1990 when he and Trump rode a helicopter in New Jersey that had to make an emergency landing.
“Willie is the short Black guy living in San Francisco,” Holden told Politico. “I’m a tall Black guy living in Los Angeles.”.....

On Thursday night, the New York Times reported that Trump had once been on a helicopter ride with former California Gov. Jerry Brown — and had apparently confused the two political leaders.

Trump, former Gov. Brown and then-Gov.-elect Gavin Newsom took a helicopter ride together on Nov. 17, 2018, from Beale Air Force Base to visit Butte County, where the Camp Fire, California’s deadliest wildfire, had nearly wiped out the town of Paradise, killing 85 people. Both Jerry Brown and Gavin Newsom have said there was no emergency landing.
Ken Pimlott, who spent 30 years with Cal Fire, including as the agency’s fire chief during Gov. Jerry Brown’s administration, told the Chronicle Saturday that there was no disaster landing.

“I remember that day pretty well,” Pimlott said, referring to the destruction the Camp Fire had caused. Pimlott said he and other public safety leaders waited for the helicopter carrying Trump, Newsom and Brown to land at Chico airport after their flight to survey the fire.
“Marine One taxied probably 100 yards from us,” he said. “Throughout this entire process, no indication there was ever any issue whatsoever. The helicopter was generally on time, I mean everything was falling into schedule. There was no indication of any issues relative to the flight.”

It's pretty unlikely that Trump got Jerry Brown mixed up with Willie Brown just because he was in a helicopter with Jerry Brown nearly 30 years after the 1989/90 incident.

FreeinChrist · Aug 10, 2024

ozso said:
It's pretty unlikely that Trump got Jerry Brown mixed up with Willie Brown just because he was in a helicopter with Jerry Brown nearly 30 years after the 1989/90 incident.

He got Willie Brown mixed up with Nate Holden.

Yes, Trump was in a helicopter that nearly crashed, but with this politician

Nate Holden, 95, a former Los Angeles City Council member and state senator, said he had been on a helicopter ride with Trump that made an emergency landing.

www.seattletimes.com

Nate Holden, 95, a former Los Angeles City Council member and state senator, said in an interview with the Times that he had been on a helicopter ride with Trump around 1990 when the aircraft experienced mechanical trouble and was forced to make an emergency landing in New Jersey.

Recounting an episode that he had described earlier Friday to Politico, Holden said Trump had been seeking to develop the site of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles when it was part of Holden’s district. Trump wanted him to see his Taj Mahal casino, Holden said, so on a visit to Manhattan, he rode with Trump from his midtown skyscraper to a helipad, where the two took off for Atlantic City, accompanied by Trump’s brother Robert and by his executive vice president of construction and development, Barbara Res.

“He was trying to impress me,” Holden said. “We start flying to New Jersey. He said, ‘Look at the skyline! Look at how beautiful it is! And I’m part of it!’”

Holden said he wasn’t impressed. “I grew up in New Jersey,” he said. “It ain’t nothing new to me.”

“Anyway,” he continued, “we start flying to Atlantic City. He’s talking about how great things are. And about 15, 20 minutes in, the pilot yells, ‘Shut up! Shut up!’”

The hydraulic system had failed, he said. “Donald turned white as snow,” Holden recalled. “He was shaking.”

He was not in a helicopter with Willie Brown hearing bad stuff about Kamala Harris.

Servus · Aug 10, 2024

FreeinChrist said:
He got Willie Brown mixed up with Nate Holden.

Yes, Trump was in a helicopter that nearly crashed, but with this politician

Nate Holden, 95, a former Los Angeles City Council member and state senator, said he had been on a helicopter ride with Trump that made an emergency landing.

www.seattletimes.com

Nate Holden, 95, a former Los Angeles City Council member and state senator, said in an interview with the Times that he had been on a helicopter ride with Trump around 1990 when the aircraft experienced mechanical trouble and was forced to make an emergency landing in New Jersey.

Recounting an episode that he had described earlier Friday to Politico, Holden said Trump had been seeking to develop the site of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles when it was part of Holden’s district. Trump wanted him to see his Taj Mahal casino, Holden said, so on a visit to Manhattan, he rode with Trump from his midtown skyscraper to a helipad, where the two took off for Atlantic City, accompanied by Trump’s brother Robert and by his executive vice president of construction and development, Barbara Res.

“He was trying to impress me,” Holden said. “We start flying to New Jersey. He said, ‘Look at the skyline! Look at how beautiful it is! And I’m part of it!’”

Holden said he wasn’t impressed. “I grew up in New Jersey,” he said. “It ain’t nothing new to me.”

“Anyway,” he continued, “we start flying to Atlantic City. He’s talking about how great things are. And about 15, 20 minutes in, the pilot yells, ‘Shut up! Shut up!’”

The hydraulic system had failed, he said. “Donald turned white as snow,” Holden recalled. “He was shaking.”

He was not in a helicopter with Willie Brown hearing bad stuff about Kamala Harris.

It's likely Trump got Willie Brown mixed up with Nate Holden, but not Jerry Brown. It seems like they're adding Jerry Brown into it to make Trump look more mixed up than he actually was.

FreeinChrist · Aug 10, 2024

ozso said:
It's likely Trump got Willie Brown mixed up with Nate Holden, but not Jerry Brown. It seems like they're adding Jerry Brown into it to make Trump look more mixed up than he actually was.

Willie Brown was the mayor of San Francisco. That is in California. It appeared he confused a helicopter ride with Willie Brown with an actual helicopter ride with Jerry Brown in California in 2018.

This is what Trump said at the news conference and response:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/08/politics/trump-helicopter-story-willie-brown/index.html

Former President Donald Trump recounted a story to reporters on Thursday about being involved in a helicopter emergency landing with former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown.

Asked by a reporter about Vice President Kamala Harris’ previous relationship with Brown and whether it helped her career trajectory, Trump said he knew Brown “very well” and told a story about the alleged helicopter incident.

“I know Willie Brown very well. In fact, I went down in a helicopter with him. We thought maybe this is the end. We were in a helicopter going to a certain location together, and there was an emergency landing,” Trump told reporters gathered at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida for his first news conference since the Democratic ticket was announced.

“This was not a pleasant landing, and Willie was, he was a little concerned. So I know him, I know him pretty well. I mean, I haven’t seen him in years,” Trump continued.

Brown, however, rejected Trump’s account as “obviously wrong” during a phone call later Thursday with CNN, saying: “I’ve never been in a helicopter with him in my life.”

“He is trying his best to get some way to degrade Kamala,” the former mayor also said of Trump and his Democratic rival for the presidency. “There is no reason why her name ought to be mentioned anywhere near his lies, period.”

So Trump was confused.

He is 78 years old right?

The Barbarian · Aug 10, 2024

Wait. Trump LIED? He just made the story up? I'm so disillusioned.

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