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What do you think about the Alpha Course?

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If you are not a fan, are there other introductory courses for enquires you would recommend?

And what about follow-up courses?
This alpha course aint new . I learned of it a long long time ago .
I sure had nothing to do with it .
And yes i do have a solution .
The follow up course is to put down all other books and etc
and pick up THE BIBLE and let us learn for ourselves .
A plumber would not pick up a book written by heart surgeons about how to be a plumber
he or she would have picked up the real deal the manuel , the book , that taught plumbing .
Well its high time christains do the same .
Pick up the bible and read it daily and often .
 
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My church ran a session of the Alpha course a few years ago, just before COVID.

Positives: The small group discussions were wonderful. I got to know some people in my church whom I'd only known superficially before. And we got to spend an evening once a week discussing our beliefs and faith practices for an hour or two, which is something I long for in church, but which I have almost never found in church. Additionally, my congregation is a bit weak on the theological basics and Christian education, so Alpha helped to fill in some of those gaps.

Negatives: Some of the assertions in Nicky Gumbel's videos differed from our church's practice of Christianity, so we had to make some adjustments. We omitted some videos; for a couple of other videos, our priest made a supplementary statement after we watched the video and before we broke into our small groups.

Overall: I really like the idea of Alpha, even though I was uncomfortable with some of the details. I'd be interested to hear from other people who either a) used the Alpha framework, but with different videos and/or different workbooks; or b) have used Alpha-like programs from different sources.

There's an alternative course for Progressive Christians called Living the Questions. It's worth looking into.


Personally, I'd like to see a wider range of voices. Like Richard Rohr or David Bentley Hart. But it's closer to most Mainline churches, than the Alpha Course: LtQ is focused on spiritual and intellectual growth more than trying to convert people to a particular point of view.
 
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yea rather , we better get back into the bible . they have infiltrated every realm with a common goal
for a common cause , AND IT AINT GOD FIRST , CHRIST FIRST either .
Its god is humanity and creation , NOT HE who created but rather the created itself , and it will not correct sins or false paths .
BIBLE TIME .
 
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I feel one possible drawback (of Alpha and other courses) might be for new ministers, it could undermine their confidence in putting together a presentation of the Gospel message. They are using someone else's framework. More experienced ministers can pick and choose what to use. But then there's those that attend for it simply being an Alpha Course, and the meal, and the friendliness, not because its a presentation of the Gospel, like lets do an Alpha Course again darling, we enjoyed it the last time. I have heard of that happening, folks that have done multiple Alpha Courses across different churches and even denominations!
 
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There's an alternative course for Progressive Christians called Living the Questions. It's worth looking into.


Personally, I'd like to see a wider range of voices. Like Richard Rohr or David Bentley Hart. But it's closer to most Mainline churches, than the Alpha Course: LtQ is focused on spiritual and intellectual growth more than trying to convert people to a particular point of view.
IMO John Shelby Spong who presents part of the material for LtQ ceased to be a christian in any meaningful sense (even in a mainline context) he wanted to create an alternative version of christianity. Richard Rohr, is proponent of the new spirituality, not Historic Christianity. The term "progressive" can be a slippery one indeed when it includes folks like Spong. Even though he references more historical positions like Abelard's. I have to wonder to what purpose? I think he just want to promote his own books and make people think he still had some ties to a historical tradition. I know John MacArthur might not be suitable for every church either.

I know its good to encourage a faith that engages with the contemporary world, but there will be times when a christian finds himself against the world, for the world as it it were. Believe me I have had more difficulties with fundamentalists in certain areas over the years, but I don't consider myself either fundy, or liberal.
 
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I feel the main drawback might be for new ministers, it could undermine their confidence in putting together a presentation of the Gospel message. They are using someone elses framework. More experienced ministers can pick and choose what to use. But then there's those that attend for it simply being an Alpha Course, and the meal, and the friendliness, not because its a presentation of the Gospel, like lets do an Alpha Course again darling, we enjoyed it the last time. I have heard of that happening, folks that have done multiple Alpha Courses across different churches and even denominations!
I feel the main draw back is the fact that most ministirs were put into office LONG before they were well trained up
and if they were trained up it was with and in the denominations of men
not sound biblical doctrine .
Any NEW ministir should big time have his senses long aware to discern between good and evil .
We really should have stayed in the bible my dear friend . This message is not to condemn
its to point the church in the right BOOK again .
Ps , many years ago i examined the alpha course . I ran so fast from it and never looked back .
Just like many years ago i was in a christain book store
and was reading from the purpose drivin life , FLED IT and never looked back .
But i aint ever fled from the BIBLE . man that truth has always FULLFILLED ME .
People might want to start asking questions rather than being so darn fast to condemn me .
And by all means i Encourage and exhort all to test what i say . But DO IT with the bible
and not with denominatial teachings or feelings please .
 
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I feel the main drawback might be for new ministers, it could undermine their confidence in putting together a presentation of the Gospel message. They are using someone elses framework. More experienced ministers can pick and choose what to use. But then there's those that attend for it simply being an Alpha Course, and the meal, and the friendliness, not because its a presentation of the Gospel, like lets do an Alpha Course again darling, we enjoyed it the last time. I have heard of that happening, folks that have done multiple Alpha Courses across different churches and even denominations!
what is the gospel my friend and what does it entail .
Lets start with that very simple question .
 
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IMO John Shelby Spong who presents part of the material for LtQ ceased to be a christian in any meaningful sense (even in a mainline context) he wanted to create an alternative version of christianity. Richard Rohr, is proponent of the new spirituality, not Historic Christianity. The term "progressive" can be a slippery one indeed when it includes folks like Spong. Even though he references more historical positions like Abelard's. I have to wonder to what purpose? I think he just want to promote his own books and make people think he still had some ties to a historical tradition. I know John MacArthur might not be suitable for every church either. What is interesting is that years ago, I thought every Fundamentalist had Spong on a list to warn their churches about, and I was surprised to discover any I spoke to had never heard of him at all. Makes me wonder if much of the criticism he received wasn't actually from Fundamentalists, but perhaps from within the liberal christian tradition?

I know its good to encourage a faith that engages with the contemporary world, but there will be times when a christian finds himself against the world, for the world as it it were. Believe me I have had more difficulties with fundamentalists in certain areas over the years, but I don't consider myself either fundy, or liberal.
What if i told you that most fundamentalists are NOT TRULY at all fundamentalist .
That rather they are fundamentally devoted to whatever said leader or group
taught them .
What if i told you that though society has used evil men
as an example of fundamentalist , IT USED MEN who were never FUNDAMNETAL to the FAITH at all .
THOUGH they did all claim the bible , THEY DID NOT FOLLOW IT
they followed false men who taught them wacked out stuff .
What if the real goal is to make men who say THE BIBLE was inspired by GOD
and those who trust in the sciptures seem as though THEY ARE DANGEROUS .
WHEN IN TRUTH those who do so and not by the doctrines of men , but they read it for themselves
Are far from dangerous .
what would you say if i told you a true fundamental
would follow JESUS TO THE T , they would never harm a soul
they would hold to THE BIBLE and not what men say about the bible .
You see the real truth is , men have come to make it seem as though
those who hold to the bible just might be the dangerous ones .
We bess get ourselves in the bible and read it for ourselves . cause i aint never seen a delusion
take hold like this one has .
 
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IMO John Shelby Spong who presents part of the material for LtQ ceased to be a christian in any meaningful sense (even in a mainline context) he wanted to create an alternative version of christianity. Richard Rohr, is proponent of the new spirituality, not Historic Christianity. The term "progressive" can be a slippery one indeed when it includes folks like Spong. Even though he references more historical positions like Abelard's. I have to wonder to what purpose? I think he just want to promote his own books and make people think he still had some ties to a historical tradition. I know John MacArthur might not be suitable for every church either.

I know its good to encourage a faith that engages with the contemporary world, but there will be times when a christian finds himself against the world, for the world as it it were. Believe me I have had more difficulties with fundamentalists in certain areas over the years, but I don't consider myself either fundy, or liberal.
And to you what is a fundy my friend . cause i can bet most folks dont even know what a true fundamental really is .
They just been given a list of bad folks
and all the while society has used certain truths they say , about the bible
as a means to make those who might stand and not budge from the bible , seem as though they are dangerous .
What would say if i told you
that clever men who desired power and control
KNEW that they had to transform christendom as well as the false relgioins from within
in order to get them to merge as one , under govt all mighty and NOT GOD .
And what would you do if i said satan is using these power hungry men to simply build an empire for the beast
and to prepare a unified religoin by means of a love that all humanity and its religoins can be found to agree upon .
We getting dupe my dear friend . Satan has not been sleeping at all . He has been DECEIVING .
 
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IMO John Shelby Spong who presents part of the material for LtQ ceased to be a christian in any meaningful sense (even in a mainline context) he wanted to create an alternative version of christianity. Richard Rohr, is proponent of the new spirituality, not Historic Christianity. The term "progressive" can be a slippery one indeed when it includes folks like Spong. Even though he references more historical positions like Abelard's. I have to wonder to what purpose? I think he just want to promote his own books and make people think he still had some ties to a historical tradition. I know John MacArthur might not be suitable for every church either.

I know its good to encourage a faith that engages with the contemporary world, but there will be times when a christian finds himself against the world, for the world as it it were. Believe me I have had more difficulties with fundamentalists in certain areas over the years, but I don't consider myself either fundy, or liberal.
Feel free to ask me any question . i am telling us all things can easily be cleared up
and a lot faster than we realize . in the meantime i encourage all to get into the bible and really begin
to learn for ourselves .
 

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FUndamentalist when it comes to protestant christianity, they can often be more or less modern like the some of the liberals they disagree with. Its a term that yes, anyone who believes the Bible can be unfairly branded with nowadays. Its really the extreme ends of fundamentalism that are the problems, some groups become personality cults as you say. ALthough I mentioned a book by MacArthur, I wonder if even his church is not immune at times from the problem of the personality cult. I don't think he would want to encourage it though.
 
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