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Kirchenkampf

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I've been reading some Bonhoeffer, Barth, Bultmann, and Tillich and became more interested in the situation with the Christian church in Nazi Germany.

see Kirchenkampf - Wikipedia for a start.

"Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw wrote that, while many ordinary people were apathetic, after years of warning from Catholic clergy, Germany's Catholic population greeted the Nazi takeover with uncertainty, while among German Protestants, there was more optimism that the Nazi takeover would bring about a strengthened Germany might bring with it "inner, moral revitalisation". However, within a short period, the Nazi government's tensions with the Christian Churches was to become a source of dissatisfaction in more religious circles."

Such optimism proved disastrous.

"Nazis criticized Christian notions of "meekness and guilt" on the basis that they "repressed the violent instincts necessary to prevent inferior races from dominating Aryans"

In Hitler's eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest."

Fifth stage (1939 to 1945)​

  • More clergy were imprisoned
  • Clergy were drafted into the military
  • Church publications were censored or banned
  • Services and functions restricted or banned

Christian churches can either support or threaten political regimes. One group gets persecuted while the other gets rewarded.
 

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I've been reading some Bonhoeffer, Barth, Bultmann, and Tillich and became more interested in the situation with the Christian church in Nazi Germany.

see Kirchenkampf - Wikipedia for a start.

"Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw wrote that, while many ordinary people were apathetic, after years of warning from Catholic clergy, Germany's Catholic population greeted the Nazi takeover with uncertainty, while among German Protestants, there was more optimism that the Nazi takeover would bring about a strengthened Germany might bring with it "inner, moral revitalisation". However, within a short period, the Nazi government's tensions with the Christian Churches was to become a source of dissatisfaction in more religious circles."

Such optimism proved disastrous.

"Nazis criticized Christian notions of "meekness and guilt" on the basis that they "repressed the violent instincts necessary to prevent inferior races from dominating Aryans"

In Hitler's eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest."

Fifth stage (1939 to 1945)​

  • More clergy were imprisoned
  • Clergy were drafted into the military
  • Church publications were censored or banned
  • Services and functions restricted or banned

Christian churches can either support or threaten political regimes. One group gets persecuted while the other gets rewarded.
You could also read Dietrich von Hildebrand, in particular this:
 
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I've been reading some Bonhoeffer, Barth, Bultmann, and Tillich and became more interested in the situation with the Christian church in Nazi Germany.

see Kirchenkampf - Wikipedia for a start.

"Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw wrote that, while many ordinary people were apathetic, after years of warning from Catholic clergy, Germany's Catholic population greeted the Nazi takeover with uncertainty, while among German Protestants, there was more optimism that the Nazi takeover would bring about a strengthened Germany might bring with it "inner, moral revitalisation". However, within a short period, the Nazi government's tensions with the Christian Churches was to become a source of dissatisfaction in more religious circles."

Such optimism proved disastrous.

"Nazis criticized Christian notions of "meekness and guilt" on the basis that they "repressed the violent instincts necessary to prevent inferior races from dominating Aryans"

In Hitler's eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest."

Fifth stage (1939 to 1945)​

  • More clergy were imprisoned
  • Clergy were drafted into the military
  • Church publications were censored or banned
  • Services and functions restricted or banned

Christian churches can either support or threaten political regimes. One group gets persecuted while the other gets rewarded.

Is this a current political theme? Liberals had been hard at work for a hundred years before Nietzsche and the Nazis exposed the true state of religion in Germany. I would suggest that the current German state has a good fit with Christian goals e.g. care of the sick, poor, elderly, exiled, and unborn but that the foundations of faith are missing in many German's lives. This is a rot that needs reversing if we are to avoid a collapse into the kind of paganism that the Nazis modeled all too well. Not that I think such a collapse would look like that in the modern German context. It would probably look more like a degeneration into an ineffective moral relativism.

The kind of church that collaborates is only the church in name and does not persist when the bad times pass. The oppressed and persecuted church may be wounded or slaughtered in Christ's name but their legacy is forever.
 
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Is this a current political theme? Liberals had been hard at work for a hundred years before Nietzsche and the Nazis exposed the true state of religion in Germany. I would suggest that the current German state has a good fit with Christian goals e.g. care of the sick, poor, elderly, exiled, and unborn but that the foundations of faith are missing in many German's lives. This is a rot that needs reversing if we are to avoid a collapse into the kind of paganism that the Nazis modeled all too well. Not that I think such a collapse would look like that in the modern German context. It would probably look more like a degeneration into an ineffective moral relativism.

The kind of church that collaborates is only the church in name and does not persist when the bad times pass. The oppressed and persecuted church may be wounded or slaughtered in Christ's name but their legacy is forever.
I hope it is not a current theme anywhere. Except I guess China.

I am not even familiar with the church situation in Germany now. I am almost finished with A Layman's Guide to Protestant Theology by William E Hordern. In the larger context of things we are not so far removed from WWII. The power of populism is frightening and how it can appropriate religion.
 
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I hope it is not a current theme anywhere. Except I guess China.

I am not even familiar with the church situation in Germany now. I am almost finished with A Layman's Guide to Protestant Theology by William E Hordern. In the larger context of things we are not so far removed from WWII. The power of populism is frightening and how it can appropriate religion.
If not Hitler then pick on China.

It's invidious and tiresome

Christianity has such a baby footprint in China,
nobody pays attention to take it seriously.
If it tries to spread we will smash it.

Secret societies tho, are always frowned on.

As for westerners-


State religion is a danger, as shown in the past and present. Populism × religion is a very weak reed.
in comparoson.
 
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The Confessing Church in Germany was largely ineffective at resisting Hitler.

There are lessons in this history. The Religious Right in Germany enabled the rise of Hitler, setting the ground work in their theological capitulation decades before WWII.
 
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