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d taylor
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No need to post verses because you will not believe them or can not believe them. As you have demonstrated in these posting you have your beliefs set and the way you see verses is not from a faith based vision, but from a obedience view point.
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I have been in this conversation defending my point with Bible verses and logical thinking. I have been partaking knowing that there may be a verse or verses that bring me to a new understanding. And so, I have stayed in the conversation to hopefully come to a new understanding or impart one to you.
I have used many verses from different books in the bible to back up my points. I try to understand the Bible in its entirety.
So please, show me a verse where it says that someone who is born again can then become an atheist or hate God and want nothing to do with God and still be saved?
We can evaluate the verse together.
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All areas of belief, eternal Life, born again, discipleship, etc.. can be explored here: https://faithalone.org/
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I find that hard to believe not many on this forum come to a new understanding because look at the number of pages in a thread of one trying to persuade another.
It seems you are moving the goalpost in your argument because at first, your thoughts about Christians who "sin" and that they never truly believed in God or are saved.
Can you articulate which sins don't lead to death? What sin leads to death in your view?
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I was hoping for a bible verse.
Threads can be long because we are discussing opposite viewpoints.
I have not moved the goalposts. I have always said that we will sin. That is the battle of the spirit and flesh as in Romans. We are fleshly beings. But sin will become less and less and a person who is born again will hate sin and love righteousness. So, when they do sin, they will feel grieved in the spirit because they are not honouring God and this grief will drive them to righteousness.
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When the poster(1tonne) started editing my post to make it look like i was agreeing with his beliefs. That is when i had enough of him and his work base theology.
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I want to thank you, most emphatically, for recommending David Bentley Hart in your post last month. (I see, from a quick CF search, that you've recommended him in other threads as well.) I am now a couple of chapters into his book That All Shall Be Saved, and I find it so refreshing that he's engaging -- with an appropriately emphatic moral awareness -- eschatological questions that have tormented me for forty-plus years. I can't assess his arguments until I've read further into the book (and any detailed assessment would have to happen in the Controversial Christian Theology forum, I think), but the early chapters are promising.
I'm also encouraged that he's Eastern Orthodox, formerly Episcopalian. He's a person who is rooted in Christian Tradition, and thus is standing in a stronger place to criticize part of Christian Tradition. (He's not a "tradition-is-just-the-words-of-men" kind of person.)
Thank you again. I'm in your debt.
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