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Formal Debate Clubs Would Lead to Better Discussions of Politically Incorrect Subjects, on College Campuses

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There seems to be an misunderstanding on college campuses, that for
someone to present and defend a certain position on some topic,
that they must hold that position.

As the article says, often if a guest speaker is asked to come to a campus
to present "the other side" (an unpopular opinion, on some topic), they are
shouted sown by the students shouting insults at the speaker.

Note that the ancient Greeks, when they were teaching rhetoric and logic,
would assign one student to defend an idea/position, and another student
to defend the opposite position. (If you study Ancient Greek, you can find
standard situations that were given to students, when they were assigned
to defend or argue against certain opinions based on the situation.)

In this way, many positions on the same topic could be presented. And
there could be an orderly discussion of many positions, on the same
topic.
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Another misunderstanding on American college campuses, is that when
one position is presented on some topic, the opposite position also
must be presented. This leads to problems when trying to invite speakers
to come to a college campus, in order to make a presentation on some
topic.

Note that when a crowd shouts down a speaker, with whom it does not
agree, this is not a discussion. Treating a presentation by some speaker, as
if it is some entertainment venue, is not a structure for disciplined learning.
(Where would due process be, in the fair rule of law in America, if the gallery
were allowed to shout down the testimony of witnesses who were called to the
stand? There would be no due process of law.)

The younger generations in America have suffered an inferior education,
because they have not been exposed to serious discussions of many
politically incorrect (read, unpopular) positions on many topics.

The younger generations in America have suffered an inferior education,
because many of them have not been forced to analyze opinions that they
did not believe, and try to explain and defend them as an educational
exercise.
 

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There seems to be an misunderstanding on college campuses, that for
someone to present and defend a certain position on some topic,
that they must hold that position.

As the article says, often if a guest speaker is asked to come to a campus
to present "the other side" (an unpopular opinion, on some topic), they are
shouted sown by the students shouting insults at the speaker.

Note that the ancient Greeks, when they were teaching rhetoric and logic,
would assign one student to defend an idea/position, and another student
to defend the opposite position. (If you study Ancient Greek, you can find
standard situations that were given to students, when they were assigned
to defend or argue against certain opinions based on the situation.)

In this way, many positions on the same topic could be presented. And
there could be an orderly discussion of many positions, on the same
topic.
---------- ----------

Another misunderstanding on American college campuses, is that when
one position is presented on some topic, the opposite position also
must be presented. This leads to problems when trying to invite speakers
to come to a college campus, in order to make a presentation on some
topic.

Note that when a crowd shouts down a speaker, with whom it does not
agree, this is not a discussion. Treating a presentation by some speaker, as
if it is some entertainment venue, is not a structure for disciplined learning.
(Where would due process be, in the fair rule of law in America, if the gallery
were allowed to shout down the testimony of witnesses who were called to the
stand? There would be no due process of law.)

The younger generations in America have suffered an inferior education,
because they have not been exposed to serious discussions of many
politically incorrect (read, unpopular) positions on many topics.

The younger generations in America have suffered an inferior education,
because many of them have not been forced to analyze opinions that they
did not believe, and try to explain and defend them as an educational
exercise.
In high school around 2016 or so, we had Socratic debates, before the schools went woke.

Article (Student resource) on Socratic Seminars:
 
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There seems to be an misunderstanding on college campuses, that for
someone to present and defend a certain position on some topic,
that they must hold that position.
I feel that this all started when safe spaces were created.
 
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I feel that this all started when safe spaces were created.
Agreed. My college made one in 2018 or 2019 or so. I did not use it for gay stuff, but used it when no one was in it cos it was a quiet place to study away from the noise. The gay flags in the room were kinda hideous.

If schools really wanted a quiet place, they should not decorate it with gay propaganda. This woke stuff has got to go. In 2019, I was more leftist. Nowadays, I would not even use a safe space as a study hall.
 
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Debate in ancient Greece didn't accomplish much, it occurred during the period in which their philosophical schools were in decline. Likewise, western medieval Christians believed in scholastic debates, too, with similar results. Mostly it degenerated into insults.

Socrates didn't debate, he engaged in dialogues. Which is very different from debate.
 
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And yet the idea of getting rid of culture war nonsense altogether and focusing on studying and learning doesn't seem to occur to most people; strange. Maybe I had a somewhat unique college experience (I completed my undergraduate degree in a year and nine months, so I didn't have time to do anything else), but even the few signs I saw of potential activity like that on campus (e.g., the street preacher guy with the big sign that told various groups that they were going to hell because his reading of a Bible verse in isolation told him so) were so distasteful that nobody seemed to really want to engage. Occasionally the agitators were laughed at, but that was it.
 
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