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The 3 Witnesses AGAINST the Koine Greek abuse of John 3:16's usage of PAS

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1) One can’t Be Born again, unless they repent of their own Human Volition. The Hebrew and Greek of the Matter.

The Greek word for this is metanoia: and means the following: change of mind, repentance
Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.

This word occurs 22 times in the New testament and is ALWAYS referenced from the POINT of man, of HIS OWN Volition, changing his mind towards God.

The HEBREW word for REPENT in the Old Testament is šu·ḇū
It has 1056 occurrences and binds to PERSONAL VOLITION of HUMAN WILL in its perpetual usages when referenced accordingly so to humans.

In exhaustive study this word is a veritable treasure trove of the use of ;Human Autonomous Volition!
break, build, circumcise, dig, do anything, do evil, feed, lay down,
A primitive root; to turn back (hence, away) transitively or intransitively, literally or figuratively (not necessarily with the idea of return to the starting point); generally to retreat; often adverbial, again -- ((break, build, circumcise, dig, do anything, do evil, feed, lay down, lie down, lodge, make, rejoice, send, take, weep)) X again, (cause to) answer (+ again), X in any case (wise), X at all, averse, bring (again, back, home again), call (to mind), carry again (back), cease, X certainly, come again (back), X consider, + continually, convert, deliver (again), + deny, draw back, fetch home again, X fro, get (oneself) (back) again, X give (again), go again (back, home), (go) out, hinder, let, (see) more, X needs, be past, X pay, pervert, pull in again, put (again, up again), recall, recompense, recover, refresh, relieve, render (again), requite, rescue, restore, retrieve, (cause to, make to) return, reverse, reward, + say nay, send back, set again, slide back, still, X surely, take back (off), (cause to, make to) turn (again, self again, away, back, back again, backward, from, off), withdraw.

2) The Latin and Aramaic Facts of the matter

Jesus is the Drawing of God unto Omnis men

"John 3:16 in Latin is Sic enim Deus dilexit mundum, ut Filium suum unigenitum daret: ut omnis qui credit in eum, non pereat, sed habeat vitam aeternam"

The Latin Vulgate, also known as the editio vulgate or Biblia Vulgata, is a Latin translation of the Bible that was completed in the late 4th century. Pope Damasus I commissioned St. Jerome to create the translation in 382, and Jerome finished it around 400. Jerome's version was based on original Greek manuscripts and earlier Vulgate versions, and used the common language of the time. The Vulgate was the official Bible of the Catholic Church for over a thousand years and was the standard version during the Middle Ages.

This version of the Bible was the most sacred version of scripture available only 300 or so Years after the Eye witnesses and is known to be a Hard and Stringent reference for Scholars! It is a trump card in many disputes!

But, if that's not enough.... John 3:16 was NOT ACTUALLY SPOKEN IN Koine Greek.

It was Spoken in the Galilean dialect of Aramaic! In Aramaic the word used for WHOSOEVER had no other choice but to be "(Aramaic) or renash (Aramaic)"... which literally means... MANKIND!

It is known that there were Aramaic texts that the Koine Greek writings were checked against in the First Century AD!

3: And... To finally bury this silly straining of the Koine Greek word PAS..... There is a biblical fact that FEW NON-Scholars ever study out!

The physical BLOOD LINE of Messiah PER the Synoptic Gospels


Matthew's Bloodline is a SPIRITUAL Bloodline that goes all the way back to Abraham and Stops... Because it is JOSEPH'S Blood line of Semite origin, through DAVID.

Luke the Physician's Bloodline IS JESUS' actual HUMAN BLOODLINE through MARY!


Luke 23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

It goes all the way through EVE the Created MOTHER of ALL Carnal LIFE.

Jesus' Blood, according to LUKE is literally intended for ALL OF MANKIND, just as Jesus said in HIS Native Tongue.


This makes a Biblically strong Scriptural point involving the DNA of the matter. IMO
 
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1) One CAN'T Be Born again, unless they REPENT of their own Human Volition! The Hebrew and Greek of the Matter!

Hello,

Scholar's know that "whosoever", simply means, " everyone who..." and they also know that "whosoever", meaning "everyone who" says "born again" probably doesn't understand the mistranslation of "born again" which should be understood in the original meaning as "begotten from above".

To be begotten from above has nothing to do with repentance and everything to merely BELIEVE according to the will of God!
When "we" BELIEVE" we receive Him! Repentance comes later after receiving Him, which is to BELIEVE HIM.

John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons(children) of God, even to them that believe on his name:
1:13 Which were born(BEGOTTEN), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

NOT by their own "human volition" but of God!

Scholars also know that that the spirit of God wrote the OT and NT through the hands of Hebrew people, while the words of the NT are written in street Greek, they are filled with Hebraic expressions throughout.

Whether "whosoever" simply meaning "everyone who..." is in Hebrew as "kol" or Greek as "pas" both are consistent to mean "EVERYONE WHO..."



2) The Latin and Aramaic Facts of the matter!

Jesus is the Drawing of God unto Omnis men!

"John 3:16 in Latin is Sic enim Deus dilexit mundum, ut Filium suum unigenitum daret: ut omnis qui credit in eum, non pereat, sed habeat vitam aeternam"

The Latin Vulgate, also known as the editio vulgate or Biblia Vulgata, is a Latin translation of the Bible that was completed in the late 4th century. Pope Damasus I commissioned St. Jerome to create the translation in 382, and Jerome finished it around 400. Jerome's version was based on original Greek manuscripts and earlier Vulgate versions, and used the common language of the time. The Vulgate was the official Bible of the Catholic Church for over a thousand years and was the standard version during the Middle Ages.

This version of the Bible was the most sacred version of scripture available only 300 or so Years after the Eye witnesses and is known to be a Hard and Stringent reference for Scholars! It is a trump card in many disputes!

But, if that's not enough.... John 3:16 was NOT ACTUALLY SPOKEN IN Koine GREEK!

It was Spoken in the Galilean dialect of Aramaic! In Aramaic the word used for WHOSOEVER had no other choice but to be "(Aramaic) or renash (Aramaic)"... which literally means... MANKIND!

It is known that there were Aramaic texts that the Koine Greek writings were checked against in the First Century AD!

Latin and Aramaic versions came from the Greek manuscripts BEFORE them. No scholars appeal to the Vulgate or Aramaic for the simple "Whosoever" which simply means "Everyone who..." as shared in the response above. That's just silly.

God personally chose to have His words written in Koine Greek, the street Greek of the time.

3: And... To finally bury this silly straining of the Koine Greek word PAS..... There is a biblical fact that FEW NON-Scholars ever study out!

The physical BLOOD LINE of Messiah PER the Synoptic Gospels!


Matthew's Bloodline is a SPIRITUAL Bloodline that goes all the way back to Abraham and Stops... Because it is JOSEPH'S Blood line of Semite origin, through DAVID.

Luke the Physician's Bloodline IS JESUS' actual HUMAN BLOODLINE through MARY!


It goes all the way through EVE the Created MOTHER of ALL Carnal LIFE!

Jesus' Blood, according to LUKE is literally intended for ALL OF MANKIND, just as Jesus said in HIS Native Tongue!


Good Luck to anyone that tries to Biblically tamper with that Scriptural point of DNA!

Scholars know there is no such thing as the doctrine of men who made up "Synoptic" Gospels and that false teaching/belief.

Each Gospel presents Yeshua/Jesus specifically in a different way making up the view which leads to the Revelation(making known) of the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Matthew presents him as King
Mark presents him as Servant
Luke presents him as the ideal Man
John presents him as God

Matthew shows His lineage through Joseph which is the regal line. There's no such thing as a "spiritual bloodline", that's made up too.
Luke shows His lineage through Mary his natural line.

The original post didn't bury anything except false doctrine made up by men who don't understand the simplicities of begotten from above and whosoever/everyone who...!

Hope this helps!

Blessings,
Love Fountain
 
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Hello,

Scholar's know that "whosoever", simply means, " everyone who..." and they also know that "whosoever", meaning "everyone who" says "born again" probably doesn't understand the mistranslation of "born again" which should be understood in the original meaning as "begotten from above".

To be begotten from above has nothing to do with repentance and everything to merely BELIEVE according to the will of God!
When "we" BELIEVE" we receive Him! Repentance comes later after receiving Him, which is to BELIEVE HIM.

John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons(children) of God, even to them that believe on his name:
1:13 Which were born(BEGOTTEN), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

NOT by their own "human volition" but of God!

Scholars also know that that the spirit of God wrote the OT and NT through the hands of Hebrew people, while the words of the NT are written in street Greek, they are filled with Hebraic expressions throughout.

Whether "whosoever" simply meaning "everyone who..." is in Hebrew as "kol" or Greek as "pas" both are consistent to mean "EVERYONE WHO..."





Latin and Aramaic versions came from the Greek manuscripts BEFORE them. No scholars appeal to the Vulgate or Aramaic for the simple "Whosoever" which simply means "Everyone who..." as shared in the response above. That's just silly.

God personally chose to have His words written in Koine Greek, the street Greek of the time.



Scholars know there is no such thing as the doctrine of men who made up "Synoptic" Gospels and that false teaching/belief.

Each Gospel presents Yeshua/Jesus specifically in a different way making up the view which leads to the Revelation(making known) of the King of kings and Lord of lords.

Matthew presents him as King
Mark presents him as Servant
Luke presents him as the ideal Man
John presents him as God

Matthew shows His lineage through Joseph which is the regal line. There's no such thing as a "spiritual bloodline", that's made up too.
Luke shows His lineage through Mary his natural line.

The original post didn't bury anything except false doctrine made up by men who don't understand the simplicities of begotten from above and whosoever/everyone who...!

Hope this helps!

Blessings,
Love Fountain
Hello, Love Fountain,

I appreciate the time you took to share your personal opinions on my personal opinions on this matter.

All Blessings to you in Jesus to you.
Grip

I will add this if it assists. Repent means Change one’s mind.

Mankind can change their mind towards Jesus.

Only Jesus can change hearts from that point forward.
 
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So John 3:16 still doesn't say, "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that everybody without exception should not perish but have everlasting life." Your post seems to be saying that the Greek word "pas", here translated "whoever" or "whosoever", always means "everybody without exception". However, exactly the same Greek word is used in Matthew 3:5:

“Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him” (Mt 3:5 NKJV)

Does that mean that absolutely every inhabitant of Judea, Jerusalem and the region around the Jordan went out to John the Baptist? As Charles Spurgeon wrote: "Does “the whole world” there mean everyone? If so, how was it, then, that there were some who were “of God?” The words “world” and “all” are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture; and it is very rarely that “all” means all people, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts — some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted his redemption to either Jew or Gentile."
 
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So John 3:16 still doesn't say, "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that everybody without exception should not perish but have everlasting life." Your post seems to be saying that the Greek word "pas", here translated "whoever" or "whosoever", always means "everybody without exception". However, exactly the same Greek word is used in Matthew 3:5:

“Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him” (Mt 3:5 NKJV)

Does that mean that absolutely every inhabitant of Judea, Jerusalem and the region around the Jordan went out to John the Baptist? As Charles Spurgeon wrote: "Does “the whole world” there mean everyone? If so, how was it, then, that there were some who were “of God?” The words “world” and “all” are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture; and it is very rarely that “all” means all people, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts — some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted his redemption to either Jew or Gentile."
Question…

When Jesus said Be Ye Perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect, Did Jesus say to only Love friends and family, or to also Love our enemies?
 
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Question…

When Jesus said Be Ye Perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect, Did Jesus say to only Love friends and family, or to also Love our enemies?
Sorry, I don't understand your question. When Jesus said, "Be Ye Perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect," that is what He said. Likewise, when He told Christians to love their enemies, then that is what He said. The only thing I can think of is that you mean that Jesus meant that everybody, nor just His followers, should love their enemies?
 
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Sorry, I don't understand your question. When Jesus said, "Be Ye Perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect," that is what He said. Likewise, when He told Christians to love their enemies, then that is what He said. The only thing I can think of is that you mean that Jesus meant that everybody, nor just His followers, should love their enemies?
I believe that Jesus intended His blood to all mankind. This would demonstrate the Fathers Love for all (Omnis) humanity.

This demonstrates that Love is God’s highest desire for Creation to have amongst itself.

The burden of Changing one's mind from self to God is on each person. They can Believe in Gods Love which is already there for them, or, they can forsake it.

The work of the Human Heart is Gods work. This is my opinion on the matter.
 
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1) One CAN'T Be Born again, unless they REPENT of their own Human Volition! The Hebrew and Greek of the Matter!

The Greek word for this is metanoia: and means the following: change of mind, repentance
Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.

This word occurs 22 times in the New testament and is ALWAYS referenced from the POINT of man, of HIS OWN Volition, CHANGING HIS MIND TOWARDS GOD!

The HEBREW word for REPENT in the Old Testament is šu·ḇū
It has 1056 occurrences and binds to PERSONAL VOLITION of HUMAN WILL in its perpetual usages when referenced accordingly so to HUMANS!

In exhaustive study this word is a veritable treasure trove of the use of ;Human Autonomous Volition!
break, build, circumcise, dig, do anything, do evil, feed, lay down,
A primitive root; to turn back (hence, away) transitively or intransitively, literally or figuratively (not necessarily with the idea of return to the starting point); generally to retreat; often adverbial, again -- ((break, build, circumcise, dig, do anything, do evil, feed, lay down, lie down, lodge, make, rejoice, send, take, weep)) X again, (cause to) answer (+ again), X in any case (wise), X at all, averse, bring (again, back, home again), call (to mind), carry again (back), cease, X certainly, come again (back), X consider, + continually, convert, deliver (again), + deny, draw back, fetch home again, X fro, get (oneself) (back) again, X give (again), go again (back, home), (go) out, hinder, let, (see) more, X needs, be past, X pay, pervert, pull in again, put (again, up again), recall, recompense, recover, refresh, relieve, render (again), requite, rescue, restore, retrieve, (cause to, make to) return, reverse, reward, + say nay, send back, set again, slide back, still, X surely, take back (off), (cause to, make to) turn (again, self again, away, back, back again, backward, from, off), withdraw.

2) The Latin and Aramaic Facts of the matter!

Jesus is the Drawing of God unto Omnis men!

"John 3:16 in Latin is Sic enim Deus dilexit mundum, ut Filium suum unigenitum daret: ut omnis qui credit in eum, non pereat, sed habeat vitam aeternam"

The Latin Vulgate, also known as the editio vulgate or Biblia Vulgata, is a Latin translation of the Bible that was completed in the late 4th century. Pope Damasus I commissioned St. Jerome to create the translation in 382, and Jerome finished it around 400. Jerome's version was based on original Greek manuscripts and earlier Vulgate versions, and used the common language of the time. The Vulgate was the official Bible of the Catholic Church for over a thousand years and was the standard version during the Middle Ages.

This version of the Bible was the most sacred version of scripture available only 300 or so Years after the Eye witnesses and is known to be a Hard and Stringent reference for Scholars! It is a trump card in many disputes!

But, if that's not enough.... John 3:16 was NOT ACTUALLY SPOKEN IN Koine GREEK!

It was Spoken in the Galilean dialect of Aramaic! In Aramaic the word used for WHOSOEVER had no other choice but to be "(Aramaic) or renash (Aramaic)"... which literally means... MANKIND!

It is known that there were Aramaic texts that the Koine Greek writings were checked against in the First Century AD!

3: And... To finally bury this silly straining of the Koine Greek word PAS..... There is a biblical fact that FEW NON-Scholars ever study out!

The physical BLOOD LINE of Messiah PER the Synoptic Gospels!


Matthew's Bloodline is a SPIRITUAL Bloodline that goes all the way back to Abraham and Stops... Because it is JOSEPH'S Blood line of Semite origin, through DAVID.

Luke the Physician's Bloodline IS JESUS' actual HUMAN BLOODLINE through MARY!


Luke 23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

It goes all the way through EVE the Created MOTHER of ALL Carnal LIFE!

Jesus' Blood, according to LUKE is literally intended for ALL OF MANKIND, just as Jesus said in HIS Native Tongue!


Good Luck to anyone that tries to Biblically tamper with that Scriptural point of DNA!
Why all the exclamation points? It makes your OP seem like a scornful reprimand instead of polite discussion.
 
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Why all the exclamation points? It makes your OP seem like a scornful reprimand instead of polite discussion.
Away from lap top. Will fix the rest asap.
 
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Thank you! I’ll fix it.
I noticed that your replies in the thread don’t appear to be impolite. They actually seem very polite, and I do agree with the necessity of repentance. Matthew 7:21-27 comes to mind.
 
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I noticed that your replies in the thread don’t appear to be impolite. They actually seem very polite, and I do agree with the necessity of repentance. Matthew 7:21-27 comes to mind.
I cleaned it up. If you see any more possible constructive criticisms, I'm fully open to them. Thank you.

Matthew 7:21-27 does get at the "heart" of the matter. That's a heavy set of 7 verses.
 
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Sorry, I don't understand your question. When Jesus said, "Be Ye Perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect," that is what He said. Likewise, when He told Christians to love their enemies, then that is what He said. The only thing I can think of is that you mean that Jesus meant that everybody, nor just His followers, should love their enemies?
David and @Love Fountain , my siblings in Jesus @BNR32FAN pointed out that my usages of punctuation made my words seem aggressive. I have fixed the Opening Post. If my word structure was found offensive by either of you, I apologize. Deepest love and respect to all of you in Jesus Christ.

All love to you in the Name of Jesus Christ, Siblings in Him
 
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I believe that Jesus intended His blood to all mankind. This would demonstrate the Fathers Love for all (Omnis) humanity.

This demonstrates that Love is God’s highest desire for Creation to have amongst itself.

The burden of Changing one's mind from self to God is on each person. They can Believe in Gods Love which is already there for them, or, they can forsake it.

The work of the Human Heart is Gods work. This is my opinion on the matter.
Well, do you also believe the every single person who has ever lived will eventually be saved? If not, and if, as you believe, Jesus intended His blood to all mankind, how could He possibly be satisfied if just one sinner was not saved:

“He shall see the labor of His soul, [and] be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.” (Isa 53:11 NKJV)
 
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