Mark of the beast vs social credit vs mind control

Roman57 · Jul 3, 2024

Some smeculate that mark of the beast will be social credit system. One reason I disagree with this is because it doesn't force compliance. It simply penalizes people for lack of compliance. So, if someone has low social credit, would they go to hell for still being registered in the system? Or will they go to heaven because its low? Now, if the mark of the beast is "high" social credit, as opposed to social credit as such, this would be a problem too because what counts into social credit is not only Christianity but also things like not jay walking, not being delinguent on loans, etc. So, in order for it to be the mark of the beast, it shouldn't be a total score but, instead, just a religion score. So as you see it quickly gets complicated.

A more extreme version of the theory is that, for non-compliance, they turn off the chip entirely instead of simply lowering social credit. This theory has some problems too. First of all, if they turn off someone's chip, would they still go to hell for having a chip on the first place, or would they go to heaven becausd it was turned off? If they still go to hell, then it no longer has to do with actual compliqnce. If they go to heaven, thdn it becomes the opposite to the scenatio we all fear. The real scary scenario is when the government tries to force us to get a chip. But here its the exact opplsite: we are the ones who wojld be trying to convince the government (through our behavior) that they should keep our chip on; and then if we ever want to repent off of having a chip, all we have to do is not comply, they turn it off, and we are on our watny to heaven. Yes, it would mean starvation, but the good thing is that said starvation can be postponed by us making a choice how long to wait before we disobey, which takes away the whole dread of irreversibility of taking the mark.

Now, here is the theory that i propose instead. Microchip will "not" be "evaluating" our behavior. What it will do instead is "influincuing" peoples behavior by sending pulses to the brain. Scientists discovered that there is a region in the brain that is responsible for spiritual experiences. So, by sending pulses that would stimulate that region, microchip can create new spiritual experiences. For example, it can cause people to go into meditation state similar to Buddhism and accomplish world peace this way. Or it can cause people to have spiritual experiences when they see the image of the antichrist, and so forth. Since those experiences are not congruent with Christianity, people will go to hell for having those. And they will not be able to repent of them because now we are not talking about social consequences but, instead, we are talking about biological influence on their brain. And, in this scenario, instead of turning off the chip, the antichrist will turn it on to even greater power: whatever is needed to alter their mind.

I also think that people that will take the microchip on the forehead will have more powerful spiritual experiences than people that will take it on the right hand, since forehead is closer to the brain. Yet, even taking it on the right hand will still cause spiritual experiences that are powerful enough to lose salvation. So, when people will be faced with beheading or starvation, and wont be strong enough to refuse the chip in light of this, they will choose to take it on the right hand, and, to make themselves feel better, they will tell themselves that at least they arent taking it on the forehead. This is reminiscent how right now people are taking biometric documents and are making themselves feel better that they aren't taking a chip (I will be honest: I took some biometric documents, but i amat the stage where i have to renew them and I am procrastinating about it) So, today, people take biometric documents and tell themselves at least they dont take the chip, and tomoffow they will take a chip on tveir right hand and tell themselves that at least they arent taking it on tve forehead. On the other hand, others, who were deceived into thinking antichrist is christ, will gladly take it on the forehead.

d taylor · Jul 4, 2024

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People just can not believe The Bible and The Bible states to receive a mark

He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

Roman57 · Jul 4, 2024

d taylor said:
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People just can not believe The Bible and The Bible states to receive a mark

He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

You ignore other verses, such as

Rev 14: 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Rev 14: 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

and also

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

d taylor · Jul 4, 2024

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Those verse state like the verse i posted that people will receive a mark on hand or forehead.

Roman57 · Jul 4, 2024

d taylor said:
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Those verse state like the verse i posted that people will receive a mark on hand or forehead.

Read verses that i posted till the end. The verse at the very bottom state that some will NOT receive the mark.

And the other verses i posted state that the ones that receive it will go to hell. So, unless you believe everyone will go to hell, then, again it means some won't receive it.

The word "cause" appatently has many meanings. Look at the verse that says if husband divorces his wife he "causes" her to commit adultery (Matt 5:32). He doesn't cause her to commit adultery in your meaning of the word: she can remain single if she chooses to. But she is subjected to social pressures to marry (at least back at that time), and he causes her to commit adultery in this sense. So cause can mean a social pressure, that one csn still resist. Similarly, people can choose not to get the mark, but they are subjected to pressures to get one. The same word "causes" is used in both cases.

Now, if Bible only had the verse you posted and not the verses I posted, then I can sed how you interpret the word cause the way you did. But, given the verses from Revelation that I posted, we clearly see that your use of the word cause implies conflict with those other verses, which implies that cause should be interpretted the way I did.

d taylor · Jul 4, 2024

Roman57 said:
Read verses that i posted till the end. The verse at the very bottom state that some will NOT receive the mark.

And the other verses i posted state that the ones that receive it will go to hell. So, unless you believe everyone will go to hell, then, again it means some won't receive it.

The word "cause" appatently has many meanings. Look at the verse that says if husband divorces his wife he "causes" her to commit adultery (Matt 5:32). He doesn't cause her to commit adultery in your meaning of the word: she can remain single if she chooses to. But she is subjected to social pressures to marry (at least back at that time), and he causes her to commit adultery in this sense. So cause can mean a social pressure, that one csn still resist. Similarly, people can choose not to get the mark, but they are subjected to pressures to get one. The same word "causes" is used in both cases.

Now, if Bible only had the verse you posted and not the verses I posted, then I can sed how you interpret the word cause the way you did. But, given the verses from Revelation that I posted, we clearly see that your use of the word cause implies conflict with those other verses, which implies that cause should be interpretted the way I did.

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The verses are simply stating, that the beast will have control of the buying and selling and if you want to participate in the system of the beast you will have to have his mark. Either on your forehead or hand.

Roman57 · Jul 4, 2024

d taylor said:
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The verses are simply stating, that the beast will have control of the buying and selling and if you want to participate in the system of the beast you will have to have his mark. Either on your forehead or hand.

The Chapter 13 talks about buying and selling; Chapter 14 talks about going to hell for taking the mark. Have you read Chapter 14, or did you only read 13?

d taylor · Jul 4, 2024

Roman57 said:
The Chapter 13 talks about buying and selling; Chapter 14 talks about going to hell for taking the mark. Have you read Chapter 14, or did you only read 13?

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Where did i ever say a person does not go to the lake of fire for having the mark. What i have been saying is, that you are applying contemporary times and current technology to the tribulation. When there is no reason to do this, just take The Bible as it is stated and The Bible states people will receive a mark on the forehead or hand.

I personally believe it will be a type of brand that can not be removed. If you think it is some kind of chip etc.. Fine but i will simply go with what The Bible states it will be a mark.

Roman57 · Jul 4, 2024

d taylor said:
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Where did i ever say a person does not go to the lake of fire for having the mark.

So you believe that

1) Everyone will take the mark

2) Everyone who takes the mark will go to hell

If you put 1 and 2 together, you get

3) Everyone will go to hell

However, you said later in the post that you don't apply it to today but to distant future. So are you saying that we can avoid hell since tribulation is nowhete near, but whatever future generation that would live during tribulation will be forced to go to hell? But then, isn't it still unfair to said future generation? Or are you saying it would be their fault because they didn't make it into the rapture or something like that?

d taylor · Jul 4, 2024

Roman57 said:
So you believe that

1) Everyone will take the mark

2) Everyone who takes the mark will go to hell

If you put 1 and 2 together, you get

3) Everyone will go to hell

However, you said later in the post that you don't apply it to today but to distant future. So are you saying that we can avoid hell since tribulation is nowhete near, but whatever future generation that would live during tribulation will be forced to go to hell? But then, isn't it still unfair to said future generation? Or are you saying it would be their fault because they didn't make it into the rapture or something like that?

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My belief is that now we are living in the time of the church that is within the age of satan. The Church i am speaking about that will be raptured will be actual born again believers in Jesus and not the visible church made up of unbelievers and believers.

So after the tribulation starts unbelieving people will still believe in Jesus and become a born again child of God. But not all unbelievers will become believers. These unbelievers will be the people who eventually will take the mark and worship the beast and eventually end up in the lake of fire.

Not all people will take the mark, the born again believers in Jesus will not take the mark and some may lose their physical life because they did not take the mark or worship the beast . Some believers will even survive the tribulation and will live to go into the millennium the 1000 rule of Jesus on earth, to repopulate the earth for the millennium.

Roman57 · Jul 4, 2024

d taylor said:
Not all people will take the mark, the born again believers in Jesus will not take the mark and some may lose their physical life because they did not take the mark or worship the beast .

Exactly. So what were you on about in your prevuous posts? It sounded like you were saying everyone will take a mark or something like that.

d taylor · Jul 4, 2024

Roman57 said:
Exactly. So what were you on about in your prevuous posts? It sounded like you were saying everyone will take a mark or something like that.

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The reason i made my original post was, because the idea of the mark being some type of chip or other device connected to computer technology. Seems to be a popular idea, there are even people who believe that vaccine was the mark.

But according to The Bible the mark will be just that a mark placed upon the forehead or hand just like The Bible states.

Roman57 · Jul 4, 2024

d taylor said:
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The reason i made my original post was, because the idea of the mark being some type of chip or other device connected to computer technology. Seems to be a popular idea, there are even people who believe that vaccine was the mark.

But according to The Bible the mark will be just that a mark placed upon the forehead or hand just like The Bible states.

In your original post, you didnt talk about what the mark is. You simply said we will all take it (whatever it happens to be), and that is in plain contradiction with the Bible. It also contradicts what you said now when you finally agreed with me that not everyone will take it.

d taylor · Jul 4, 2024

Roman57 said:
In your original post, you didnt talk about what the mark is. You simply said we will all take it (whatever it happens to be), and that is in plain contradiction with the Bible. It also contradicts what you said now when you finally agreed with me that not everyone will take it.

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Here is my original post below and i did not say all people will take it. I said people can not believe The Bible. meaning that The Bible states the mark will be a mark. Not a shot, not a chip, not a social program, etc...

People just can not believe The Bible and The Bible states to receive a mark
He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

Roman57 · Jul 4, 2024

d taylor said:
meaning that The Bible states the mark will be a mark. Not a shot, not a chip, not a social program, etc...

Then you phrased it in a confusing way. What was confusing is the word TO, which made it sound like you were saying the Bible was asking us to receive it. To re-phrase it better, what you meant to say was "the Bible said non-believers will receive a mark rather than a chip". So this phrasing is better because it makes it clear that only non-believers will receive it, not everyone (and there is no word TO here either). And, secondly, there is that second part of a sentence that makes it clear it talks about the nature of the mark rather than whether or not to take it.

I guess if it were to say "people will take it" instead of "non-believers will take it", that is okay too,, since we all know who those people are. The real problem was with the word "to", which made it sound like you were telling me Bible was asking us to take it.

d taylor · Jul 5, 2024

Roman57 said:
Then you phrased it in a confusing way. What was confusing is the word TO, which made it sound like you were saying the Bible was asking us to receive it. To re-phrase it better, what you meant to say was "the Bible said non-believers will receive a mark rather than a chip". So this phrasing is better because it makes it clear that only non-believers will receive it, not everyone (and there is no word TO here either). And, secondly, there is that second part of a sentence that makes it clear it talks about the nature of the mark rather than whether or not to take it.

I guess if it were to say "people will take it" instead of "non-believers will take it", that is okay too,, since we all know who those people are. The real problem was with the word "to", which made it sound like you were telling me Bible was asking us to take it.

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All i did was take a part of Revelation 13: 16 which was to receive a mark. To show that the Bible states the mark of the beast will be a mark.

Richard T · Jul 5, 2024

Roman57 said:
Some smeculate that mark of the beast will be social credit system. One reason I disagree with this is because it doesn't force compliance. It simply penalizes people for lack of compliance. So, if someone has low social credit, would they go to hell for still being registered in the system? Or will they go to heaven because its low? Now, if the mark of the beast is "high" social credit, as opposed to social credit as such, this would be a problem too because what counts into social credit is not only Christianity but also things like not jay walking, not being delinguent on loans, etc. So, in order for it to be the mark of the beast, it shouldn't be a total score but, instead, just a religion score. So as you see it quickly gets complicated.

A more extreme version of the theory is that, for non-compliance, they turn off the chip entirely instead of simply lowering social credit. This theory has some problems too. First of all, if they turn off someone's chip, would they still go to hell for having a chip on the first place, or would they go to heaven becausd it was turned off? If they still go to hell, then it no longer has to do with actual compliqnce. If they go to heaven, thdn it becomes the opposite to the scenatio we all fear. The real scary scenario is when the government tries to force us to get a chip. But here its the exact opplsite: we are the ones who wojld be trying to convince the government (through our behavior) that they should keep our chip on; and then if we ever want to repent off of having a chip, all we have to do is not comply, they turn it off, and we are on our watny to heaven. Yes, it would mean starvation, but the good thing is that said starvation can be postponed by us making a choice how long to wait before we disobey, which takes away the whole dread of irreversibility of taking the mark.

Now, here is the theory that i propose instead. Microchip will "not" be "evaluating" our behavior. What it will do instead is "influincuing" peoples behavior by sending pulses to the brain. Scientists discovered that there is a region in the brain that is responsible for spiritual experiences. So, by sending pulses that would stimulate that region, microchip can create new spiritual experiences. For example, it can cause people to go into meditation state similar to Buddhism and accomplish world peace this way. Or it can cause people to have spiritual experiences when they see the image of the antichrist, and so forth. Since those experiences are not congruent with Christianity, people will go to hell for having those. And they will not be able to repent of them because now we are not talking about social consequences but, instead, we are talking about biological influence on their brain. And, in this scenario, instead of turning off the chip, the antichrist will turn it on to even greater power: whatever is needed to alter their mind.

I also think that people that will take the microchip on the forehead will have more powerful spiritual experiences than people that will take it on the right hand, since forehead is closer to the brain. Yet, even taking it on the right hand will still cause spiritual experiences that are powerful enough to lose salvation. So, when people will be faced with beheading or starvation, and wont be strong enough to refuse the chip in light of this, they will choose to take it on the right hand, and, to make themselves feel better, they will tell themselves that at least they arent taking it on the forehead. This is reminiscent how right now people are taking biometric documents and are making themselves feel better that they aren't taking a chip (I will be honest: I took some biometric documents, but i amat the stage where i have to renew them and I am procrastinating about it) So, today, people take biometric documents and tell themselves at least they dont take the chip, and tomoffow they will take a chip on tveir right hand and tell themselves that at least they arent taking it on tve forehead. On the other hand, others, who were deceived into thinking antichrist is christ, will gladly take it on the forehead.

Perhaps you are thinking too Western? The antichrist needs something for everyone yet the infrastructure is many years away for chips. How long too would it take to manufacture all the chips and readers needed? Also at least 600 million with no electricity, Will that infrastructure be around anytime soon? 'What can we do?': Millions in African countries need power.

bèlla · Jul 5, 2024

Currency is the easiest to implement on a global scale and that's already underway. And it's directly related to commerce -- buy and sell.

As for Africa, they're well positioned.

By 2030 one in five people will be African. Combine the continent’s soaring population with technology, improvements in infrastructure, health and education, and Africa could be the next century’s economic growth powerhouse.

Africa will account for more than half (54%) of the 2.4 billion global population growth in coming decades. The United Nations predicts that between 2015 and 2050, Africa will add 1.3 billion people, more than doubling its current population of 1.2 billion.

~bella

Roman57 · Jul 5, 2024

bèlla said:
Currency is the easiest to implement on a global scale and that's already underway. And it's directly related to commerce -- buy and sell.

As for Africa, they're well positioned.

By 2030 one in five people will be African. Combine the continent’s soaring population with technology, improvements in infrastructure, health and education, and Africa could be the next century’s economic growth powerhouse.

Africa will account for more than half (54%) of the 2.4 billion global population growth in coming decades. The United Nations predicts that between 2015 and 2050, Africa will add 1.3 billion people, more than doubling its current population of 1.2 billion.

~bella

I think Richard's question was how can there be enough chips to chip so many people. If African population will become even larger, wouldn't it make it even harder to microchip all of them?

But then again, to answer his question, we never know what the next advance in technology will be: 5 years ago I could have never guessed we would have AI right now.

So I guess it is advances in technology on one side and population growth on the other side, and the question is which factor will overtake. Maybe that's why globalists want to contain population growth since then it would be easier to microchip (and control in other ways too) whoever is left?

bèlla · Jul 5, 2024

Roman57 said:
I think Richard's question was how can there be enough chips to chip so many people. If African population will become even larger, wouldn't it make it even harder to microchip all of them?

Consider your question realistically if you were on the other side. How much are you divulging to the public? Very little if you're honest. Powell said they began working on crypto in the early nineties. By the time we hear they're light years ahead. That's their pattern.

They have chips in Europe in the Scandinavian area. I forget which country. But they volunteered to use it and it's in their hand. That's how they open doors, pay, etc. You can do the same now in certain stores in America and there's cashless shops elsewhere.

A tattoo is a possibility. It's basically a bar code. Understand?

Roman57 said:
But then again, to answer his question, we never know what the next advance in technology will be: 5 years ago I could have never guessed we would have AI right now.

You can learn a lot by following the money and looking at their investments. They'll always fund new technology and know what's behind it.

Roman57 said:
So I guess it is advances in technology on one side and population growth on the other side, and the question is which factor will overtake. Maybe that's why globalists want to contain population growth since then it would be easier to microchip (and control in other ways too) whoever is left?

They've succeeded in containing growth in most locations. The birth rates are down and women are choosing careers, opting to be childless or having smaller families and the cost of living is a factor. It's too expensive. Africa's culture is different. People work together and families help. You're not alone and that makes a difference.

It isn't one thing but a series of technological advances that will redefine life as we've known it thus far. Supercar Blondie road tested a driverless taxi the other day and has similar cars on her channel. When you walk into the appliance department you're met with numerous tools meant for the home and they're gathering data. Are you buying them? ;-)

You have to know where you stand on these issues first. That determines what you focus on. It's impossible for one person to follow everything. There's too many tentacles. Specialization is best if you have a group of trusted friends and loved ones and each follows a topic of interest and reports their findings.

Problems are addressed according to threat level and immediacy. You have a border crisis, economic stagnation, inflation, unemployment and heightened tensions in the middle east that may require more engagement. What do you need to combat or secure? That's where your attention goes.

They'll bombard you with distractions. Like Trump and Biden. It's a movie but what's happening behind the scenes? That's how you have to think. Don't be curious be prepared. And stay in prayer. You'll need it.

~bella

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