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Ken Ham Discusses What Christians Should Believe about ‘Jesus Childhood’ Book

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Christian apologist Ken Ham says clickbait headlines surrounding a 1,600-year-old book purportedly about Jesus’ childhood should not cause alarm among believers. The headlines about the so-called Infancy Gospel of Thomas have generated significant buzz worldwide. The New York Post proclaimed in a headline: “Newly deciphered manuscript is the oldest written record of Jesus’ childhood: ‘Extraordinary,’” while the Times of Israel alleged in its headline that the “1600-year-old papyrus fragment contains the earliest account of Jesus’ childhood.”

In truth, debate about the Infancy Gospel of Thomas is not new, even if the newly discovered fragment may be the oldest surviving copy.

The Infancy Gospel of Thomas was rejected by early Christians as not inspired and was not included in the canon of Scripture. (It is not to be confused with the Gospel of Thomas, another rejected book.)
“How should Christians think about this find? This text is not biblical -- it was written several decades after the canon of Scripture was closed,” said Ham, the CEO and founder of Answers in Genesis, in a new blog on his website. “And don’t be alarmed when you read statements such as ‘[this is from] the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, a book detailing Jesus of Nazareth’s youth that was ultimately excluded from the Bible.’
“The Infancy Gospel of Thomas was never considered to be authentic by Christians, nor did it vie for inclusion in the Bible before being ‘ultimately excluded’ -- Christians knew it wasn’t inspired Scripture!”
Tim Chaffey, the content manager for the Ark Encounter and Creation Museum operated by Answers in Genesis, said the Infancy Gospel of Thomas contains fictional stories about Jesus that conflict with the character of Christ in Scripture.

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Christian apologist Ken Ham says clickbait headlines surrounding a 1,600-year-old book purportedly about Jesus’ childhood should not cause alarm among believers. The headlines about the so-called Infancy Gospel of Thomas have generated significant buzz worldwide. The New York Post proclaimed in a headline: “Newly deciphered manuscript is the oldest written record of Jesus’ childhood: ‘Extraordinary,’” while the Times of Israel alleged in its headline that the “1600-year-old papyrus fragment contains the earliest account of Jesus’ childhood.”

In truth, debate about the Infancy Gospel of Thomas is not new, even if the newly discovered fragment may be the oldest surviving copy.

The Infancy Gospel of Thomas was rejected by early Christians as not inspired and was not included in the canon of Scripture. (It is not to be confused with the Gospel of Thomas, another rejected book.)
“How should Christians think about this find? This text is not biblical -- it was written several decades after the canon of Scripture was closed,” said Ham, the CEO and founder of Answers in Genesis, in a new blog on his website. “And don’t be alarmed when you read statements such as ‘[this is from] the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, a book detailing Jesus of Nazareth’s youth that was ultimately excluded from the Bible.’
“The Infancy Gospel of Thomas was never considered to be authentic by Christians, nor did it vie for inclusion in the Bible before being ‘ultimately excluded’ -- Christians knew it wasn’t inspired Scripture!”
Tim Chaffey, the content manager for the Ark Encounter and Creation Museum operated by Answers in Genesis, said the Infancy Gospel of Thomas contains fictional stories about Jesus that conflict with the character of Christ in Scripture.

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For once Ken Ham is correct.
 
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“How should Christians think about this find? This text is not biblical -- it was written several decades after the canon of Scripture was closed,” said Ham,
If it was written decades after our works of Paul and John and James and Jude . . . who was supposed to have written it? I guess Thomas. But it seems John was quite old when he wrote Revelation. And Paul had become aged when he wrote to Timothy a letter. So, I can see that Thomas would not have lived decades longer than John and Paul in their older age.

So, Michie, what are a couple examples of things in the writing which are said to not accurately represent Jesus?
 
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If it was written decades after our works of Paul and John and James and Jude . . . who was supposed to have written it? I guess Thomas. But it seems John was quite old when he wrote Revelation. And Paul had become aged when he wrote to Timothy a letter. So, I can see that Thomas would not have lived decades longer than John and Paul in their older age.

So, Michie, what are a couple examples of things in the writing which are said to not accurately represent Jesus?
Jesus repeatedly killing other children for one. It’s a heretical book.
 
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Jesus repeatedly killing other children for one. It’s a heretical book.
You have got to be kidding me!!

Jesus gives life. Plus, Jesus is not the one who can be impressed by having the ability to kill. Jesus was known for bringing people back to life . . . not for killing.
 
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You have got to be kidding me!!
Nope. Jesus zaps some friends and Mary has to tell him to bring them back to life.

There is a reason these books were never put in the canon. Several reasons. False. Bad theology. Not written by anybody known in the Church. Goofy. Most of them were Gnostic.

The books we have in the NT are consonant with the early community of Christians. That's why the early community of Christians wrote them and shared them and canonized them.
 
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About a year ago we had our patio repaired due to hail damage and also a corroded cross beam. Then we had the patio extended.

The chap who came to do the quotes was one of Ken Ham's brothers. The Ham family used to be active in my wife's church.

His brother said that unfortunately Ken Ham needs security these days due to two different groups - the atheists hate him as he pushes a Christian agenda, and the white supremacists hate him as he teaches that all men are derived from the same DNA pool hence we are all "brothers".

Just an aside. Incidentally they did a good job. He didn't do the work himself (he'd reached the age when it's time to let the young blokes do the hard yakka) but it just happened the young tradesman who actually did the work lives nearby.
 
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I don't think I'd be getting reading list advice from Banana man.
Who is Banana man that I might avoid getting reading list information from him?
 
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Who is Banana man that I might avoid getting reading list information from him?

My mistake. Banana Man is Ray Comfort.

Both are Fundamentalists that believe in Creationist Fundamentalism.
 
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My mistake. Banana Man is Ray Comfort.

Both are Fundamentalists that believe in Creationist Fundamentalism.
Not very nice to call someone Banana man. He was given that appelation by Richard Dawkiins as a name of scorn. I have no idea who Ray Comfort is so I don't have a dog in this fight.
 
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Not very nice to call someone Banana man. He was given that appelation by Richard Dawkiins as a name of scorn. I have no idea who Ray Comfort is so I don't have a dog in this fight.

One of the few situations I agree with Dawkins. His banana argument was ridiculous.
 
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