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Supreme Court takes up Tennessee ban on hormone treatment for trans teens

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Supreme Court will decide if states may prohibit hormones for transgender teens

The justices have not ruled on whether discrimination based on gender identity is unconstitutional.

In the last three years, however, many Republican-led states have enacted laws that forbid medical treatments intended to help youths under 18 transition to what the measures describe as a “purported identity inconsistent with the minor’s sex.”

The Biden administration, the ACLU and Lambda Legal urged the court to hear casesfrom Tennessee and Kentucky and to rule discrimination against transgender youth violates the Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection of the laws.

The court said it would hear arguments in the fall in the Tennessee case.

Parents played a lead role in the legal challenges. Samantha Williams and her husband, Brian, had sued in Nashville on behalf of their transgender daughter, who was identified as L.W.

“Before coming out and starting to receive this medical care she struggled to make friends, keep her grades up, or even accept hugs from her family. Now, we have a confident, happy daughter who is free to be herself. I want the Justices to see and understand my daughter and recognize her rights under the Constitution like any other person, and to see that if parents like me don’t have the right to determine what’s best for our children, then no parent does,” she said.

U.S. Solicitor Gen. Elizabeth Prelogar had urged the court to take up the issue. She said the state laws impose “a categorical ban on evidence-based treatments supported by the overwhelming consensus of the medical community.”

[24 states have similar laws; many are already temporarily blocked by judges. Should SCOTUS rules in TN's favor, the laws would likely take effect.]
 

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Supreme Court will decide if states may prohibit hormones for transgender teens

The justices have not ruled on whether discrimination based on gender identity is unconstitutional.

In the last three years, however, many Republican-led states have enacted laws that forbid medical treatments intended to help youths under 18 transition to what the measures describe as a “purported identity inconsistent with the minor’s sex.”

The Biden administration, the ACLU and Lambda Legal urged the court to hear casesfrom Tennessee and Kentucky and to rule discrimination against transgender youth violates the Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection of the laws.

The court said it would hear arguments in the fall in the Tennessee case.

Parents played a lead role in the legal challenges. Samantha Williams and her husband, Brian, had sued in Nashville on behalf of their transgender daughter, who was identified as L.W.

“Before coming out and starting to receive this medical care she struggled to make friends, keep her grades up, or even accept hugs from her family. Now, we have a confident, happy daughter who is free to be herself. I want the Justices to see and understand my daughter and recognize her rights under the Constitution like any other person, and to see that if parents like me don’t have the right to determine what’s best for our children, then no parent does,” she said.

U.S. Solicitor Gen. Elizabeth Prelogar had urged the court to take up the issue. She said the state laws impose “a categorical ban on evidence-based treatments supported by the overwhelming consensus of the medical community.”

[24 states have similar laws; many are already temporarily blocked by judges. Should SCOTUS rules in TN's favor, the laws would likely take effect.]
If one can not vote until 18 or drink until 21 in the US, then 18 or 21 should be a minimum age limit for folks to take hormones, but that is just my opinion.
 
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If one can not vote until 18 or drink until 21 in the US, then 18 or 21 should be a minimum age limit for folks to take hormones, but that is just my opinion.
Many states have carveouts for minors drinking alcohol when in their homes and in the presence and consent of the parents.
 
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Many states have carveouts for minors drinking alcohol when in their homes and in the presence and consent of the parents.
True, at least for alcohol. My parents let me try a sip of wine as a kid, and it was gross. Nowadays, I still do not like wine, but it is not as bad. However, the voting age is still 18, so therefore a transition age could be 18+.
 
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Many states have carveouts for minors drinking alcohol when in their homes and in the presence and consent of the parents.
They do, but if they allow the kid to get drunk they could be charged with abuse or negligence.
 
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I'm glad SCOTUS is reviewing this. I certainly hope they side with the states. If tgey dont then at least it will be settled. If they don't side with the states then I will still disagree with them. As I'm sure if they side with the states the left will disagree as well. The best case scenario would be to simply leave it up to the states like they did with abortion.
 
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If one can not vote until 18 or drink until 21 in the US, then 18 or 21 should be a minimum age limit for folks to take hormones, but that is just my opinion.
Is there some *physical* reason why hormone treatments should be withheld until 18 (physical maturity)?
 
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Is there some *physical* reason why hormone treatments should be withheld until 18 (physical maturity)?
As opposed to mental? I'm wondering if you've missed out on all the transitioning of children threads. And I think this case is more than just hormones. Tenesee's law covers puberty blockers as well.
 
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If one can not vote until 18 or drink until 21 in the US, then 18 or 21 should be a minimum age limit for folks to take hormones, but that is just my opinion.
I agree, and disapprove of irreversible treatments for trans minors. But individual cases vary and I think that even though I disapprove, it is still a matter best left to the children, their parents and their doctors. When making that decision, they need consider no morality but their own.
 
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I agree, and disapprove of irreversible treatments for trans minors. But individual cases vary and I think that even though I disapprove, it is still a matter best left to the children, their parents and their doctors. When making that decision, they need consider no morality but their own.
I disagree. What we find is that kids are not mentally or emotionally mature enough to make such a decision. Parents are far too ill informed which also has been proven to be the case.
Everyone depends on the doctors. Doctors don't have any specialized training or education on how to handle these cases and lean on groups like the APA who also dont have any specialized education and lean on rhe "experts" in this case who are nothing more than transactivist organizations. Parents are strictly depending on doctors.to guide them. So in essence it's not leaving decisions to parents kids and doctors. It's leaving decisions to the doctors. Because the parents don't have the answers and are depending on the guidance of the doctors. And by default leaning on transactivist organizations who are all for transing the kids. Parents and kids are being decieved by these places into thinking transing the kids is the only answer. Parents are just looking for answers for their distressed kids and are depending on the doctors for answers because they don't know. They are being told by people on line and maybe their kid that if they don't transition them the kid will kill themselves.

Whereas Europe has discovered that what transactivist organizations have done is fool everyone by bogus research so they've ended what America has continued to do.

So saying leaving it up to parents kids and the doctor sounds nice, it's a nothing more than a mirage. In the words of the great bard "it's a tale told by an idiot, full of the sound of fury, signifying nothing".

(and to be clear I'm not calling you and idiot. You aren't the first to call for leaving it up to the kids, parents and doctors)
 
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I disagree. What we find is that kids are not mentally or emotionally mature enough to make such a decision. Parents are far too ill informed which also has been proven to be the case.
Everyone depends on the doctors. Doctors don't have any specialized training or education on how to handle these cases and lean on groups like the APA who also dont have any specialized education and lean on rhe "experts" in this case who are nothing more than transactivist organizations. Parents are strictly depending on doctors.to guide them. So in essence it's not leaving decisions to parents kids and doctors. It's leaving decisions to the doctors. Because the parents don't have the answers and are depending on the guidance of the doctors. And by default leaning on transactivist organizations who are all for transing the kids. Parents and kids are being decieved by these places into thinking transing the kids is the only answer. Parents are just looking for answers for their distressed kids and are depending on the doctors for answers because they don't know. They are being told by people on line and maybe their kid that if they don't transition them the kid will kill themselves.

Whereas Europe has discovered that what transactivist organizations have done is fool everyone by bogus research so they've ended what America has continued to do.

So saying leaving it up to parents kids and the doctor sounds nice, it's a nothing more than a mirage. In the words of the great bard "it's a tale told by an idiot, full of the sound of fury, signifying nothing".

(and to be clear I'm not calling you and idiot. You aren't the first to call for leaving it up to the kids, parents and doctors)
Europe is not banning trans care for minors, they're just trying to do it better. We could try to do better too, instead of banning it for religious reasons.
 
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If one can not vote until 18 or drink until 21 in the US, then 18 or 21 should be a minimum age limit for folks to take hormones, but that is just my opinion.
Amen.
 
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I'm glad SCOTUS is reviewing this. I certainly hope they side with the states. If tgey dont then at least it will be settled. If they don't side with the states then I will still disagree with them. As I'm sure if they side with the states the left will disagree as well. The best case scenario would be to simply leave it up to the states like they did with abortion.
I agree.
 
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Typical answer for 'these people', is ok for a child to get a tattoo? they say: NO
I'm not sure who 'these people' are, but I say "Yes, with a parent's permission." The law disagrees (though minors may be able to get piercings).
 
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Europe is not banning trans care for minors, they're just trying to do it better. We could try to do better too, instead of banning it for religious reasons.
They have absolutely banned the Affirmative Care model used in the US. They now strictly adhere to the research clinics where a kid has to be accepted I to the program. Not every kid is accepted and the rest don't get the blockers or the hormones. They get psychological treatment.

Yes they are trying to do better which the US is not. The US is still using transactivist organizations guidance.
 
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I agree, and disapprove of irreversible treatments for trans minors. But individual cases vary and I think that even though I disapprove, it is still a matter best left to the children, their parents and their doctors. When making that decision, they need consider no morality but their own.
Compromise is key, so 18 would work. No one can compromise sadly in 2024.
 
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