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I would like to bring to your attention the following groups that are sort of borderline in terms of whiteness. Lets see what you think
Irish: Common sense tells us Irish are White, yet back in the past in the US they were considered non-white for some reason
Russians: Common sense says they are White, yet one might argue otherwise. They say Russia is part of Europe. But, geographically, majority of its territory is actually in Asia. Although its true that its population is more dense in its European part rather than Asian part. Politically, Russia isn't allied with Europe either. On the contrary, it is allied with various Asian, Middle Eastern and African countries, while it views the West as the enemy. But, interestingly enough, a lot of White Nationalists actually side with Russians in their conflict with Ukraine. Which makes it a bit of a twist since the very conflict that makes Russia look non-white (where it is opposed to the West and finds support in various African countries) is the exact thing that makes it look White (since it gets support from White Nationalists). Finally, genetically speaking, Russians are not fully white either, they have some Mongolian admixtures. However, let me be clear though: when I talk about "Russians" I am talking about people that are genetically Russian. So I am not discussing actual Mongols or other Asians that live in Russian territory, nor am I discussing people from Caucus or Siberia that happened to live in Russia either. I am talking strictly about ethnic Russians. And I suspect ethnic Russians might not be fully white genetically due to the interbreeding that resulted from Tatar-Mongol conquest. I read somewhere they might be something like 90% European and 10% Asian. However I also read that other European countries might have non-white admixtures too. So the key here is to compare and see if Russians have more non-white admixtures than others.
Non-Russian Slavs: In the political context discussed above, non-Russian slavs are all opposed Russia (in fact, even more vehemently so than US) so they would be "white" from this perspective. But it would be silly to say that they are different race from Russians since they are of the same (slavic) group. However, there is a nuance to this. Speaking of Asian admixtures mentioned above, I heard that Russians might have more of those admixtures than other Slavs. In particular, those admixtures came from Tatar-Mongol conquest and subsequent interbreeding, and this affected Russia-proper more so than other Slavic countries.
Ashkinazi Jews: Jews look White yet genetically they are Middle Eastern, and we don't normally regard Arabs as White. Which by the way makes it a bit interesting. Arabs have darker skin than Jews do, despite them both being Middle Eastern. I am not racist, so I apologize in advance for any misunderstanding. But I would have to refer to White Nationalists simply because they are the ones who give it the most thought, and a lot of them famously do NOT regard Jews as White (as exemplified by Stormfront) yet other White Nationalists do see Jews as White (as exemplified by American Renaissance). It is also interesting to compare Jews to Russians in terms of Whiteness. If you look at Stormfront, they regard Russians as White (they even have a section "Stormfront Russia") but they regard Jews as non-White (and view them as their main enemies). On the other hand, if you look at the politics, then Jews side with the West while Russia is against the West. The pro-Western opposition within Russia is largely Jewish, and this is one of the big contributting factors to Russian antisemitism. So if you look at it from this perspective, then Russian antisemitism can be seen as non-white hatred against whites (where Russians are being non-white while Jews are being white) especially if you notice how it is coupled to Russian alliances with various non-white countries. This is the exact opposite to what you would gather from "stormfront Russia" where Russians take up the role of Whites and Jews take up the role of non-whites. Finally, United Church of God believes that Jews are two southern tribes while Western Europeans are 10 Northern tribes, and they don't think Eastern Europeans or Russians are any of the tribes. So from this perspective, again, Jews would be "whiter" than Russian -- which again contradicts Stormfront that regards Russians as White but doesn't regard Jews as such.
Sephardic Jews: By some twist, some White nationalists hate Ashkinazi Jews but don't hate Sephardic Jews, despite the fact that Sephardic have darker skin than Ashkinazi. This is due to some genetic studies that claim that both non-Jewish Western Europeans and Sephardic Jews are Israelites, while Ashkinazi Jews are not.
Arabs: Normally one would assume Arabs are non-white, but in light of discussion about Jews this too might be more complicated than it seems. If one is of the opinion that Jews are White, and since Jews and Arabs share middle eastern ancestry, would Arabs we white too?
Iranians: I heard Iranians are not Arabs but instead they are of European stock that just happened to be in the area. In fact, the word Aryan comes from "Iranian" or something like that
Spaniards: On the one hand, Spain is part of Europe, but on the other hand they are considered Hispanic. However, I talked to Indian guy who told me that Spaniards have some African blood (just like other Hispanics do) so they are non-white in this respect.
Hispanics: Some people argue Hispanics are White (as exemplified by Spaniards) while others argue they are different race
Latino: Since Latino are distinct from Hispanic, perhaps its possible to argue that one of those two groups is white while the other isn't
Indians (as in, from India): I been talking to an Indian guy who told me he believes that Indians are genetically of the same stock as Europeans, while Chinese aren't. So Indians are "whiter" than Chinese, despite Chinese having lighter skin. He also told me that Spaniards have 10% African blood, while Indians don't have any African blood at all, which makes Indians "whiter" than Spaniards, again contrary to what skin color would tell you.
Chinese: Even though Chinese are clearly non-European, who is to say that White should be European and not Asian? Look at the word white: it refers to color. So if Chinese have white skin, why aren't they white?
Irish: Common sense tells us Irish are White, yet back in the past in the US they were considered non-white for some reason
Russians: Common sense says they are White, yet one might argue otherwise. They say Russia is part of Europe. But, geographically, majority of its territory is actually in Asia. Although its true that its population is more dense in its European part rather than Asian part. Politically, Russia isn't allied with Europe either. On the contrary, it is allied with various Asian, Middle Eastern and African countries, while it views the West as the enemy. But, interestingly enough, a lot of White Nationalists actually side with Russians in their conflict with Ukraine. Which makes it a bit of a twist since the very conflict that makes Russia look non-white (where it is opposed to the West and finds support in various African countries) is the exact thing that makes it look White (since it gets support from White Nationalists). Finally, genetically speaking, Russians are not fully white either, they have some Mongolian admixtures. However, let me be clear though: when I talk about "Russians" I am talking about people that are genetically Russian. So I am not discussing actual Mongols or other Asians that live in Russian territory, nor am I discussing people from Caucus or Siberia that happened to live in Russia either. I am talking strictly about ethnic Russians. And I suspect ethnic Russians might not be fully white genetically due to the interbreeding that resulted from Tatar-Mongol conquest. I read somewhere they might be something like 90% European and 10% Asian. However I also read that other European countries might have non-white admixtures too. So the key here is to compare and see if Russians have more non-white admixtures than others.
Non-Russian Slavs: In the political context discussed above, non-Russian slavs are all opposed Russia (in fact, even more vehemently so than US) so they would be "white" from this perspective. But it would be silly to say that they are different race from Russians since they are of the same (slavic) group. However, there is a nuance to this. Speaking of Asian admixtures mentioned above, I heard that Russians might have more of those admixtures than other Slavs. In particular, those admixtures came from Tatar-Mongol conquest and subsequent interbreeding, and this affected Russia-proper more so than other Slavic countries.
Ashkinazi Jews: Jews look White yet genetically they are Middle Eastern, and we don't normally regard Arabs as White. Which by the way makes it a bit interesting. Arabs have darker skin than Jews do, despite them both being Middle Eastern. I am not racist, so I apologize in advance for any misunderstanding. But I would have to refer to White Nationalists simply because they are the ones who give it the most thought, and a lot of them famously do NOT regard Jews as White (as exemplified by Stormfront) yet other White Nationalists do see Jews as White (as exemplified by American Renaissance). It is also interesting to compare Jews to Russians in terms of Whiteness. If you look at Stormfront, they regard Russians as White (they even have a section "Stormfront Russia") but they regard Jews as non-White (and view them as their main enemies). On the other hand, if you look at the politics, then Jews side with the West while Russia is against the West. The pro-Western opposition within Russia is largely Jewish, and this is one of the big contributting factors to Russian antisemitism. So if you look at it from this perspective, then Russian antisemitism can be seen as non-white hatred against whites (where Russians are being non-white while Jews are being white) especially if you notice how it is coupled to Russian alliances with various non-white countries. This is the exact opposite to what you would gather from "stormfront Russia" where Russians take up the role of Whites and Jews take up the role of non-whites. Finally, United Church of God believes that Jews are two southern tribes while Western Europeans are 10 Northern tribes, and they don't think Eastern Europeans or Russians are any of the tribes. So from this perspective, again, Jews would be "whiter" than Russian -- which again contradicts Stormfront that regards Russians as White but doesn't regard Jews as such.
Sephardic Jews: By some twist, some White nationalists hate Ashkinazi Jews but don't hate Sephardic Jews, despite the fact that Sephardic have darker skin than Ashkinazi. This is due to some genetic studies that claim that both non-Jewish Western Europeans and Sephardic Jews are Israelites, while Ashkinazi Jews are not.
Arabs: Normally one would assume Arabs are non-white, but in light of discussion about Jews this too might be more complicated than it seems. If one is of the opinion that Jews are White, and since Jews and Arabs share middle eastern ancestry, would Arabs we white too?
Iranians: I heard Iranians are not Arabs but instead they are of European stock that just happened to be in the area. In fact, the word Aryan comes from "Iranian" or something like that
Spaniards: On the one hand, Spain is part of Europe, but on the other hand they are considered Hispanic. However, I talked to Indian guy who told me that Spaniards have some African blood (just like other Hispanics do) so they are non-white in this respect.
Hispanics: Some people argue Hispanics are White (as exemplified by Spaniards) while others argue they are different race
Latino: Since Latino are distinct from Hispanic, perhaps its possible to argue that one of those two groups is white while the other isn't
Indians (as in, from India): I been talking to an Indian guy who told me he believes that Indians are genetically of the same stock as Europeans, while Chinese aren't. So Indians are "whiter" than Chinese, despite Chinese having lighter skin. He also told me that Spaniards have 10% African blood, while Indians don't have any African blood at all, which makes Indians "whiter" than Spaniards, again contrary to what skin color would tell you.
Chinese: Even though Chinese are clearly non-European, who is to say that White should be European and not Asian? Look at the word white: it refers to color. So if Chinese have white skin, why aren't they white?
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