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Why is the church so bland?

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This is not an attack on the church. I was attacking the church in my Christian infancy, when I had no understanding of my own state of being.

One attack that I remember, were against fat monks in Orthodox monasteries. Not only were they fat, but one in particular was seeking medical treatment for sickness probably resulting from his obesity. So I was thinking, if this is the church of God, what kind of joke is this.

I understand that everyone has their struggle, and maybe some people will think that my struggles are petty and rediculous, but I personally will never understand the struggle of fat people. Even more so, I am amazed how a person who has dedicated their life to the scripture, and surrounded by brothers who have done the same, still haven't gotten to term with the BASICS.

But then this might sound like I am singleing out fat people in the church. Which of course I do not.

Another equally disturbing fact, if not even more disturbing, is how the church is split today. If we believe in the POWER, why don't we recognize the POWER and join ourselves to it? But everyone has recognized that the church is fallen, that's why we have 40,000 denominations, because everyone thinks that they have the right interpretation, but they are equally as fallen as the rest. To add insult to injury, they preach 'prosperity'. How can anyone prosper, when the church is fallen, and you yourself in a state of mortal sin? This is sheer delusion.

The church should be clothed in sackloth, not 'prosperity'. To me these people look like deluded buffoons, not like someone 'prosperous'.

The message of Christ is a reneval of heart, and freedom from sin, is it not so? Then how can someone in a state of sin, preach the gospel? Is he not denying the power by this act alone, and preaching another gospel? A gospel of the flesh, and not of the Spirit?

Having your sin covered, and being free from sin, are two completely different things! Was the message of Christ to live in sin and prosperity, while he suffers of the cross? How does it even enter a persons mind, to live in prosperity, when not even his "brothers" and "sisters" see the truth, not to speak of "the lost"?

Why do people even come with such gross statements as, "he took the punishment for our sin", to unbelievers who do not know God? How can they know what sin is? Again, with 40,000 denominations, everyone teaching a different gospel, with themselves as the authority, not even the church knows what sin is!

Therefore, the only testimony I bear is AGAINST MYSELF, until the day that God delivers me.
 

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The church is not bland. It is in fact just as dangerous, disruptive, provocative and subversive as Jesus. But most people can't cope with it, just as they cannot cope with truth and their own internal conversion. We would rather domesticate the Gospel and the church, make it something comfortable. So it is really we who are bland.

I have noticed this within myself. All that I need to be concerned about is letting Christ live in and through me for other people. It is quite simply. Bit "I" get in the way. "I" am sometimes not willing to make the sacrifices, the self emptying, the living love. It is "I" who choose the comfortable life.
 
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The church is not bland. It is in fact just as dangerous, disruptive, provocative and subversive as Jesus. But most people can't cope with it, just as they cannot cope with truth and their own internal conversion. We would rather domesticate the Gospel and the church, make it something comfortable. So it is really we who are bland.

I have noticed this within myself. All that I need to be concerned about is letting Christ live in and through me for other people. It is quite simply. Bit "I" get in the way. "I" am sometimes not willing to make the sacrifices, the self emptying, the living love. It is "I" who choose the comfortable life.

Well I believe in the tares and the wheat, that someday, the believer might actually come to a realization of the truth, and actually be delivered from sin. However, if the attitude in the church is that no such thing is necessary, even unattainable, then how is it even possible? How is a person going to be delivered from Babylon? Or Egypt? Or Sodom? If his eyes are set on the idols thereof?
 
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Well I believe in the tares and the wheat, that someday, the believer might actually come to a realization of the truth, and actually be delivered from sin. However, if the attitude in the church is that no such thing is necessary, even unattainable, then how is it even possible? How is a person going to be delivered from Babylon? Or Egypt? Or Sodom? If his eyes are set on the idols thereof?
Is this what you are expreincing? The church teaching that realization of the truth, and actually be delivered from sin is not necessary or even unattainable?
 
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Is this what you are expreincing? The church teaching that realization of the truth, and actually be delivered from sin is not necessary or even unattainable?

Yeah I don't see even so much as a desire to be free from sin. People seem to be content that their sins are "covered", and that they have the necessities of life, they might even be "prosperous", but an actual heart for those afflicted, and the lost, or even the realization of their own state, I don't think I've ever seen that to be honest.
 
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